Lake Erie Today

[22lcidw]

Care to provide an argument for why you don't believe the positions of scientists the world over?

You represent the same people who live off of massive disinformation. That is good enough reason to believe any of the climate change agendas. At least cause y humans.

 

[pknopp]

Care to provide an argument for why you don't believe the positions of scientists the world over?

Here is my major issue. If the release of these gases are bad you stop them, not tax or play market games with them.

As soon as I hear "carbon tax" or "cap and trade" I shut them down. It's better for me as long as the releases have been taxed or corporations can profit from them?

 

[Anomalism]

I never claimed it vanished. There you go lying about what I said. I merely stated that the heat from the long wave IR wasn't capable of penetrating the skin of water. Thus the fundamental mechanism of AGW theory fails at its first test.

You’re still missing the point. CO2 IR doesn’t need to penetrate meters of water to transfer energy. Heating the “skin” layer is enough, conduction, convection, and turbulence immediately redistribute that energy downward. That’s basic fluid dynamics. The oceans absorb and mix surface heat continuously, which is exactly what Argo floats, temperature profiles, and direct ocean heat content measurements show. Claiming “IR can’t penetrate the skin” ignores how heat transfer in fluids actually works.

 

[Anomalism]

Here is my major issue. If the release of these gases are bad you stop them, not tax or play market games with them.

As soon as I hear "carbon tax" or "cap and trade" I shut them down. It's better for me as long as the releases have been taxed or corporations can profit from them?

That's a completely separate discussion. I'm not taking a position on policy, just physics.

 

[pknopp]

That's a completely separate discussion. I'm not taking a position on policy, just physics.

It's policy that makes many understand what it is really about for many.

 

[westwall]

You’re still missing the point. CO2 IR doesn’t need to penetrate meters of water to transfer energy. Heating the “skin” layer is enough, conduction, convection, and turbulence immediately redistribute that energy downward. That’s basic fluid dynamics. The oceans absorb and mix surface heat continuously, which is exactly what Argo floats, temperature profiles, and direct ocean heat content measurements show. Claiming “IR can’t penetrate the skin” ignores how heat transfer in fluids actually works.

YES, IT DOES! That is simple physics! No penetration of the skin of water means NO CONVECTION, TURBULENCE, OR CONDUCTION! You are NOT WARMING THE SKIN OF THE WATER!

The long wave IR BOUNCES OFF the skin. NO CONDUCTION OCCURS!

That is simple physics.

You are pushing magic, NOT science.

 

[Anomalism]

YES, IT DOES! That is simple physics! No penetration of the skin of water means NO CONVECTION, TURBULENCE, OR CONDUCTION! You are NOT WARMING THE SKIN OF THE WATER!

The long wave IR BOUNCES OFF the skin. NO CONDUCTION OCCURS!

That is simple physics.

You are pushing magic, NOT science.

You clearly don't understand fluid dynamics. Infrared radiation doesn’t have to penetrate meters of water to matter; it deposits energy in the surface layer, which immediately sets up temperature gradients. Those gradients drive conduction, convection, and turbulence, moving heat downward. Energy doesn’t bounce off and vanish. It’s redistributed through molecular motion in the water. This is measured and observed in the real world. Argo floats and ocean heat content profiles directly confirm heat accumulation at depth. Claiming IR can’t warm water ignores basic fluid and thermodynamics, not just climate science.

Argo program

The Argo program is an international program that uses temperature/salinity profiling float to measure the upper 2,000 meters of the ocean.

www.aoml.noaa.gov

Ocean Warming - Earth Indicator - NASA Science

Water has a high heat capacity, which means it can store a lot of heat. The atmosphere has warmed from increased greenhouse gases. About 90% of that excess

science.nasa.gov

https://argo.ucsd.edu/science/argo-and-climate-change/

 

[westwall]

You clearly don't understand fluid dynamics. Infrared radiation doesn’t have to penetrate meters of water to matter; it deposits energy in the surface layer, which immediately sets up temperature gradients. Those gradients drive conduction, convection, and turbulence, moving heat downward. Energy doesn’t bounce off and vanish. It’s redistributed through molecular motion in the water. This is measured and observed in the real world. Argo floats and ocean heat content profiles directly confirm heat accumulation at depth. Claiming IR can’t warm water ignores basic fluid and thermodynamics, not just climate science.

Argo program

The Argo program is an international program that uses temperature/salinity profiling float to measure the upper 2,000 meters of the ocean.

www.aoml.noaa.gov

Ocean Warming - Earth Indicator - NASA Science

Water has a high heat capacity, which means it can store a lot of heat. The atmosphere has warmed from increased greenhouse gases. About 90% of that excess

science.nasa.gov

https://argo.ucsd.edu/science/argo-and-climate-change/

It's the other way round, you not only don't understand fluid dynamics, you are ignoring basic physics.

If your energy can't penetrate the skin of water, your energy imparts no heat to your skin. Thus there is NO CONVECTION, CONDUCTION, OR TURBULENCE for your magical powers to affect.

ZERO.

 

[Anomalism]

It's the other way round, you not only don't understand fluid dynamics, you are ignoring basic physics.

If your energy can't penetrate the skin of water, your energy imparts no heat to your skin. Thus there is NO CONVECTION, CONDUCTION, OR TURBULENCE for your magical powers to affect.

ZERO.

You’re still misunderstanding fluid physics. Even a millimeter of warmed surface is enough to drive convection, conduction, and turbulence downward. Infrared from CO2 deposits energy in that surface layer, which immediately creates temperature gradients. This is how fluids transport energy. Heat doesn’t need to pierce meters to matter; it moves via molecular motion and mixing, exactly as measured in oceans.

Your failure in understanding fluid dynamics isn't complex. You literally don't even understand the basics, highschool stuff.

Heat Transfer — Introduction to Chemical and Biological Engineering

www.engr.colostate.edu

https://www1.eere.energy.gov/education/pdfs/basics_thermodynamicsguidestudent.pdf

13.4: Methods of Heat Transfer

Assess why particular characteristics are necessary for effective conduction

phys.libretexts.org

 

[Meathead]

Care to provide an argument for why you don't believe the positions of scientists the world over?

It's kinda like historians ranking Biden as near-great and Trump at the bottom of presidential performance.

It ain't rocket science.

 

[Anomalism]

It's kinda like historians ranking Biden as near-great and Trump at the bottom of presidential performance.

It ain't rocket science.

That's your take on the situation? Lol

 

[Meathead]

That's your take on the situation? Lol

Yup!

 

[Anomalism]

Yup!

Okay.

 

[Hafar1014]

This argument comes from bad faith. You already know there's a difference between climate and weather.

Dumbest post of the month

 

[Anomalism]

Dumbest post of the mnonth

What's a mnonth?

Are you suggesting that what I said is incorrect?

 

[Meathead]

What's a mnonth?

Are you suggesting that what I said is incorrect?

You are a whimp.

 

[Anomalism]

You are a whimp.

Let me know if you decide you want to have an actual conversation.

 

[Meathead]

Let me know if you decide you want to have an actual conversation.

About you being a whimp? Let's go!

 

[Anomalism]

About you being a whimp? Let's go!

Nah, about physics. That thing you don't understand.

 

[Meathead]

Nah, about physics. That thing you don't understand.

What does whimpyness have to do with physics?