LA Fires Brush Clearance - Attention Second Guessers: The People who have leapt to judgments very quickly

[Dante]

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". . . But you don’t get disasters of this scale without human failure, too. For years now, watching record-setting fire after record-setting fire, doomscrolling through phone footage of panicked fire-encircled evacuations and clocking the number of new cities visited by eerie and unbreathable clouds of wildfire smoke, it has been easy to mark each new disaster, many unprecedented in our lifetimes, with the scream, “Climate change!” It is also not enough. Decarbonization hasn’t yet solved the risk of catastrophic fire, and more rapid emissions reductions won’t dramatically reduce that risk for decades, either. In the meantime, it cannot be the case — must not be — that there was or is nothing more to do. . . ."

Back in the 1700s, Santa Monica was ...

never mind

 

[BackAgain]

It may be true that the fierce winds made this particular set of firestorms inevitable. But that doesn’t excuse the malfeasance of the governor and others for their failure to clear brush ahead of time.

Nor does it excuse them for their water resources (mindless) policies.

 

[MisterBeale]

 

[MisterBeale]

Trump got the blame for his response to COVID, not for COVID itself.

I know, stoopid isn't?

Response for COVID is an entirely state level responsibility.

. . and Newsom is going to get slammed for his response and preparations for this event. Again, a state level affair.

 

[The Duke]

The thing to remember about the LA fires is this is not new.

Tom Sito: The thing to remember about the LA fires is this is not new. Prairie scrub and underbrush have been drying out and burning since the Ice Age. The pioneers used to call them prairie fires. The strong dry autumnal winds similar to the Sirocco or Mistral was named Santa Anna Winds in the...

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This is not new - fires. What is new is the intensity of the winds during the fires. Brush clearance? "the winds fanning the flames were so fierce, and ground conditions so dry, that clearing more shrubs wouldn’t have had a significant effect." “You could have put a 10-lane freeway in front of that fire and it would not have slowed it one bit,”

People need to stop looking to blame politicians and city leaders they don't happen to care for. Looks like we may find the Edison people answering some questions regarding a few fires, too.

What's new is the things men know how to do like providing fire services being hampered and sabotaged by the local government.

 

[Hellokitty]

Here we are - back again -- Because facts matter. Think of it as a public service.​

There exist sources of information that are available to all of us. Some are credible, some are not, and some are incomplete. People are not always aware of how what they choose to absorb and later distribute isn't always credible, factual - truth.

"According to a study published Wednesday (October 9, 2024), in the journal Plos One, it comes down to believing you have all the information you need to form an opinion, even when you don’t."​

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quote: “People are more open-minded and willing to change their opinions than we assume,” *Fletcher said. However, “this same flexibility doesn’t apply to long-held differences, such as political beliefs.” .​

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“Our brains are overconfident that they can arrive at a reasonable conclusion with very little information,” said Angus Fletcher, a professor of English at Ohio State University, who co-wrote the study.​

Second-guessers like Elon Musk: Could better brush clearance have helped slow the spread of the Palisades fire

“We knew the winds were coming. We knew that there was brush that needed to be cleared 20 years ago,” Rick Caruso, the developer and former Los Angeles mayoral candidate, told The Times.

“This fire could have been mitigated — maybe not prevented.”​

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Elon Musk wrote on X

that the “biggest factor, in my opinion, is that crazy environmental regulations prevent building firebreaks and clearing brush near houses.” And actress-producer Sara Foster chimed in with an X post

saying “our vegetation was overgrown, brush not cleared.”​

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Dear experts-on-everything, what did real experts who are strong proponents of brush clearance have to say?

Did these and other second-guessers have a point? Scientists, wildfire specialists and firefighting officials had differing viewpoints. But several of these experts — including strong proponents of brush clearance — said that the winds fanning the flames were so fierce, and ground conditions so dry, that clearing more shrubs wouldn’t have had a significant effect.​

Could better brush clearance have helped slow the spread of the Palisades fire?

As the Palisades fire raged, critics blamed overgrown vegetation for driving its spread. But some scientists and fire officials say removing it may not have made much of a difference, and also risks making the landscape more flammable in the long run.

www.latimes.com

“All of the brush clearance, fuel breaks — they’re very effective on what we would consider a normal day,” said Chief Brian Fennessy of the Orange County Fire Authority. “But what you’re talking about here is probably less than 1% of all the fires that we respond to in Southern California.”​

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The Palisades fire ignited Jan. 7 amid hurricane-force winds, with gusts of up to 100 mph recorded in some areas.​

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“You could have put a 10-lane freeway in front of that fire and it would not have slowed it one bit,” Fennessy said.​

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Vegetation management efforts are typically most effective when firefighters are able to take advantage of the reduced fire intensity they provide to snuff out flames.​

We keep hearing about embers spreading as far out as 2 miles I'll note 1st they were saying 1 mile...yet I've not seen any verifiable evidence of it happening wide spread, just suggestions and opinions.

Same with those claiming clearing brush would have done nothing. We do have examples of property that was saved due to brush management, other precautions and use of something referred to as water.
The fires in many places have not been contained and have continued to spread despite the winds dying down. This is were brush management, breaks and water would have been able to help.

 

[Hellokitty]

and...
Hello luiza


What caused the Palisades fire? A beloved hiking trail may hold answers

Hikers and outdoor enthusiasts have long been drawn to Skull Rock north of Sunset Boulevard in Pacific Palisades.​

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A relatively short hike on the Temescal Ridge trail reveals the skeletal-shaped Skull Rock and dramatic Pacific Ocean views.​

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Now, this area is the subject of an investigation as a potential starting point for the Palisades fire, which burned thousands of structures last week.​

What sparked the Palisades fire? A beloved hiking trail may hold the grim answers

The origin point of the Palisades fire could be around a beloved hiking trail with ocean views — and where another fire was sparked days earlier. Here is what we know.

www.latimes.com

Attention People who leap to judgments very quickly - The Palisades blaze? Visual evidence points to a recent fire nearby

We are here - back again -- Because facts matter. Think of it as a public service. There exist sources of information that are available to all of us. Some are credible, some are not, and some are incomplete. People are not always aware of how what they choose to absorb and later distribute...

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So the claim from a hiker who smelled burnt ashes is original fire started from fireworks was not fully put out and days later the winds ignited some smoldering embers? So the DEI fire department didn't fully ensure the original fire was extinguished when high winds were in the forecast...give it up there's no way liberals will be able to spin Newsoms California mismanagement.

 

[WEATHER53]

Here we are - back again -- Because facts matter. Think of it as a public service.​

There exist sources of information that are available to all of us. Some are credible, some are not, and some are incomplete. People are not always aware of how what they choose to absorb and later distribute isn't always credible, factual - truth.

"According to a study published Wednesday (October 9, 2024), in the journal Plos One, it comes down to believing you have all the information you need to form an opinion, even when you don’t."​

​

quote: “People are more open-minded and willing to change their opinions than we assume,” *Fletcher said. However, “this same flexibility doesn’t apply to long-held differences, such as political beliefs.” .​

​

“Our brains are overconfident that they can arrive at a reasonable conclusion with very little information,” said Angus Fletcher, a professor of English at Ohio State University, who co-wrote the study.​

Second-guessers like Elon Musk: Could better brush clearance have helped slow the spread of the Palisades fire

“We knew the winds were coming. We knew that there was brush that needed to be cleared 20 years ago,” Rick Caruso, the developer and former Los Angeles mayoral candidate, told The Times.

“This fire could have been mitigated — maybe not prevented.”​

​

Elon Musk wrote on X

that the “biggest factor, in my opinion, is that crazy environmental regulations prevent building firebreaks and clearing brush near houses.” And actress-producer Sara Foster chimed in with an X post

saying “our vegetation was overgrown, brush not cleared.”​

​

Dear experts-on-everything, what did real experts who are strong proponents of brush clearance have to say?

Did these and other second-guessers have a point? Scientists, wildfire specialists and firefighting officials had differing viewpoints. But several of these experts — including strong proponents of brush clearance — said that the winds fanning the flames were so fierce, and ground conditions so dry, that clearing more shrubs wouldn’t have had a significant effect.​

Could better brush clearance have helped slow the spread of the Palisades fire?

As the Palisades fire raged, critics blamed overgrown vegetation for driving its spread. But some scientists and fire officials say removing it may not have made much of a difference, and also risks making the landscape more flammable in the long run.

www.latimes.com

“All of the brush clearance, fuel breaks — they’re very effective on what we would consider a normal day,” said Chief Brian Fennessy of the Orange County Fire Authority. “But what you’re talking about here is probably less than 1% of all the fires that we respond to in Southern California.”​

​

The Palisades fire ignited Jan. 7 amid hurricane-force winds, with gusts of up to 100 mph recorded in some areas.​

​

“You could have put a 10-lane freeway in front of that fire and it would not have slowed it one bit,” Fennessy said.​

​

Vegetation management efforts are typically most effective when firefighters are able to take advantage of the reduced fire intensity they provide to snuff out flames.​

It’s bullshit “our policies normally work” crap and responsibility shuffling

 

[debbiedowner]

Here we are - back again -- Because facts matter. Think of it as a public service.​

There exist sources of information that are available to all of us. Some are credible, some are not, and some are incomplete. People are not always aware of how what they choose to absorb and later distribute isn't always credible, factual - truth.

"According to a study published Wednesday (October 9, 2024), in the journal Plos One, it comes down to believing you have all the information you need to form an opinion, even when you don’t."​

​

quote: “People are more open-minded and willing to change their opinions than we assume,” *Fletcher said. However, “this same flexibility doesn’t apply to long-held differences, such as political beliefs.” .​

​

“Our brains are overconfident that they can arrive at a reasonable conclusion with very little information,” said Angus Fletcher, a professor of English at Ohio State University, who co-wrote the study.​

Second-guessers like Elon Musk: Could better brush clearance have helped slow the spread of the Palisades fire

“We knew the winds were coming. We knew that there was brush that needed to be cleared 20 years ago,” Rick Caruso, the developer and former Los Angeles mayoral candidate, told The Times.

“This fire could have been mitigated — maybe not prevented.”​

​

Elon Musk wrote on X

that the “biggest factor, in my opinion, is that crazy environmental regulations prevent building firebreaks and clearing brush near houses.” And actress-producer Sara Foster chimed in with an X post

saying “our vegetation was overgrown, brush not cleared.”​

​

Dear experts-on-everything, what did real experts who are strong proponents of brush clearance have to say?

Did these and other second-guessers have a point? Scientists, wildfire specialists and firefighting officials had differing viewpoints. But several of these experts — including strong proponents of brush clearance — said that the winds fanning the flames were so fierce, and ground conditions so dry, that clearing more shrubs wouldn’t have had a significant effect.​

Could better brush clearance have helped slow the spread of the Palisades fire?

As the Palisades fire raged, critics blamed overgrown vegetation for driving its spread. But some scientists and fire officials say removing it may not have made much of a difference, and also risks making the landscape more flammable in the long run.

www.latimes.com

“All of the brush clearance, fuel breaks — they’re very effective on what we would consider a normal day,” said Chief Brian Fennessy of the Orange County Fire Authority. “But what you’re talking about here is probably less than 1% of all the fires that we respond to in Southern California.”​

​

The Palisades fire ignited Jan. 7 amid hurricane-force winds, with gusts of up to 100 mph recorded in some areas.​

​

“You could have put a 10-lane freeway in front of that fire and it would not have slowed it one bit,” Fennessy said.​

​

Vegetation management efforts are typically most effective when firefighters are able to take advantage of the reduced fire intensity they provide to snuff out flames.​

Now, you know maga's don't need any stinking facts to for an opinion. They follow their leader.

 

[Dante]

Now, you know maga's don't need any stinking facts to for an opinion. They follow their leader.

bingo

 

[MarcATL]

It may be true that the fierce winds made this particular set of firestorms inevitable. But that doesn’t excuse the malfeasance of the governor and others for their failure to clear brush ahead of time.

Nor does it excuse them for their water resources (mindless) policies.

Explain the situation of their water resources.

 

[WEATHER53]

Explain the situation of their water resources.

They did not have the prescribed amount available to protect their population

 

[MarcATL]

They did not have the prescribed amount available to protect their population

Link?

 

[hadit]

Here we are - back again -- Because facts matter. Think of it as a public service.​

There exist sources of information that are available to all of us. Some are credible, some are not, and some are incomplete. People are not always aware of how what they choose to absorb and later distribute isn't always credible, factual - truth.

"According to a study published Wednesday (October 9, 2024), in the journal Plos One, it comes down to believing you have all the information you need to form an opinion, even when you don’t."​

​

quote: “People are more open-minded and willing to change their opinions than we assume,” *Fletcher said. However, “this same flexibility doesn’t apply to long-held differences, such as political beliefs.” .​

​

“Our brains are overconfident that they can arrive at a reasonable conclusion with very little information,” said Angus Fletcher, a professor of English at Ohio State University, who co-wrote the study.​

Second-guessers like Elon Musk: Could better brush clearance have helped slow the spread of the Palisades fire

“We knew the winds were coming. We knew that there was brush that needed to be cleared 20 years ago,” Rick Caruso, the developer and former Los Angeles mayoral candidate, told The Times.

“This fire could have been mitigated — maybe not prevented.”​

​

Elon Musk wrote on X

that the “biggest factor, in my opinion, is that crazy environmental regulations prevent building firebreaks and clearing brush near houses.” And actress-producer Sara Foster chimed in with an X post

saying “our vegetation was overgrown, brush not cleared.”​

​

Dear experts-on-everything, what did real experts who are strong proponents of brush clearance have to say?

Did these and other second-guessers have a point? Scientists, wildfire specialists and firefighting officials had differing viewpoints. But several of these experts — including strong proponents of brush clearance — said that the winds fanning the flames were so fierce, and ground conditions so dry, that clearing more shrubs wouldn’t have had a significant effect.​

Could better brush clearance have helped slow the spread of the Palisades fire?

As the Palisades fire raged, critics blamed overgrown vegetation for driving its spread. But some scientists and fire officials say removing it may not have made much of a difference, and also risks making the landscape more flammable in the long run.

www.latimes.com

“All of the brush clearance, fuel breaks — they’re very effective on what we would consider a normal day,” said Chief Brian Fennessy of the Orange County Fire Authority. “But what you’re talking about here is probably less than 1% of all the fires that we respond to in Southern California.”​

​

The Palisades fire ignited Jan. 7 amid hurricane-force winds, with gusts of up to 100 mph recorded in some areas.​

​

“You could have put a 10-lane freeway in front of that fire and it would not have slowed it one bit,” Fennessy said.​

​

Vegetation management efforts are typically most effective when firefighters are able to take advantage of the reduced fire intensity they provide to snuff out flames.​

IOW, the fires were entirely predictable and should have caused local politicians to take measures designed to mitigate them. They are rightly held responsible for not doing so.

 

[Concerned American]

Shoot up bleach.

LMAO, and you claim to speak truths. Try again

 

[Concerned American]

note: for others who come here.

This thread was not started on the Politics Boards. The House Trolls infected with MAGATitus can't help making everything an opportunity to make others look bad in order to make Trump look good.

Who is it that suffers TDS?

YOU!

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Let me guess. The people making the claim that land management wouldn't have made any difference are "experts"?

I bet they re also the people who were in charge of land management and now that Los Angeles has burned down, they're covering their asses.

 

[Concerned American]

Let me guess. The people making the claim that land management wouldn't have made any difference are "experts"?

I bet they re also the people who were in charge of land management and now that Los Angeles has burned down, they're covering their asses.

And none of them have names.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

After the fact - Trump's responses to the outbreak were critiqued. It's like the flu. Cold weather will kill it. Shoot up bleach. .

You people are not attacking responses to the fires. All available resources have been deployed. You get in teh way -- it feeds conspiracy theories.

and btw, bringing up Trump -- He said the most weird shit like

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President-elect Donald J. Trump offered fresh criticism early Sunday of the officials in charge of fighting the Los Angeles wildfires, calling them “incompetent” and asking why the blazes were not yet extinguished.​

“The fires are still raging in L.A.,” Mr. Trump wrote on his Truth Social site. “The incompetent pols have no idea how to put them out.”​

Huh? wtf is he talking about? The Firefighters on the ground are the ones struggling to put the fires out

They have no idea how to put these fires out. The best they can think of is to stop the spread and the fire will burn itself out. Maybe you heard the word containment.