LA Fires Brush Clearance - Attention Second Guessers: The People who have leapt to judgments very quickly

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Here we are - back again -- Because facts matter. Think of it as a public service.

There exist sources of information that are available to all of us. Some are credible, some are not, and some are incomplete. People are not always aware of how what they choose to absorb and later distribute isn't always credible, factual - truth.

"According to a study published Wednesday (October 9, 2024), in the journal Plos One, it comes down to believing you have all the information you need to form an opinion, even when you don’t."​
quote: “People are more open-minded and willing to change their opinions than we assume,” *Fletcher said. However, “this same flexibility doesn’t apply to long-held differences, such as political beliefs.” .​
“Our brains are overconfident that they can arrive at a reasonable conclusion with very little information,” said Angus Fletcher, a professor of English at Ohio State University, who co-wrote the study.​

Second-guessers like Elon Musk: Could better brush clearance have helped slow the spread of the Palisades fire

“We knew the winds were coming. We knew that there was brush that needed to be cleared 20 years ago,” Rick Caruso, the developer and former Los Angeles mayoral candidate, told The Times.
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“This fire could have been mitigated — maybe not prevented.”​
Elon Musk wrote on X
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that the “biggest factor, in my opinion, is that crazy environmental regulations prevent building firebreaks and clearing brush near houses.” And actress-producer Sara Foster chimed in with an X post
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saying “our vegetation was overgrown, brush not cleared.”​
Dear experts-on-everything, what did real experts who are strong proponents of brush clearance have to say?

Did these and other second-guessers have a point? Scientists, wildfire specialists and firefighting officials had differing viewpoints. But several of these experts — including strong proponents of brush clearance — said that the winds fanning the flames were so fierce, and ground conditions so dry, that clearing more shrubs wouldn’t have had a significant effect.​


All of the brush clearance, fuel breaks — they’re very effective on what we would consider a normal day,” said Chief Brian Fennessy of the Orange County Fire Authority. “But what you’re talking about here is probably less than 1% of all the fires that we respond to in Southern California.”​
The Palisades fire ignited Jan. 7 amid hurricane-force winds, with gusts of up to 100 mph recorded in some areas.​
You could have put a 10-lane freeway in front of that fire and it would not have slowed it one bit,” Fennessy said.​
Vegetation management efforts are typically most effective when firefighters are able to take advantage of the reduced fire intensity they provide to snuff out flames.​
 
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What caused the Palisades fire? A beloved hiking trail may hold answers

Hikers and outdoor enthusiasts have long been drawn to Skull Rock north of Sunset Boulevard in Pacific Palisades.​
A relatively short hike on the Temescal Ridge trail reveals the skeletal-shaped Skull Rock and dramatic Pacific Ocean views.​
Now, this area is the subject of an investigation as a potential starting point for the Palisades fire, which burned thousands of structures last week.​


 
Weather. The Weather. It's Science.

The most serious red flag fire weather warning has been issued by the National Weather Service for swaths of Los Angeles and Ventura counties starting before dawn Tuesday, underlining the continuing threat in a region weary after nearly a week of firestorms.​
The ominous “particularly dangerous situation” warning was first issued by the local National Weather Service office in October 2020, and then in December 2020 — and then not again until 2024.​


 
This might be true, but the entire circus has drawn attention to the establishment's poor disaster preparation.

I would be very surprised if both that mayor and the governor's careers aren't over after all this.


 

This is not new - fires. What is new is the intensity of the winds during the fires. Brush clearance? "the winds fanning the flames were so fierce, and ground conditions so dry, that clearing more shrubs wouldn’t have had a significant effect." “You could have put a 10-lane freeway in front of that fire and it would not have slowed it one bit,”

People need to stop looking to blame politicians and city leaders they don't happen to care for. Looks like we may find the Edison people answering some questions regarding a few fires, too.
 
People need to stop looking to blame politicians and city leaders they don't happen to care for.
Trump got the blame for COVID, the governor is going to get slammed for this.

It is just how the system works. Love it or. . . leave it.

Folks can blame whomever and whatever they want when they go to the polls.
 
This might be true, but the entire circus has drawn attention to the establishment's poor disaster preparation.

I would be very surprised if both that mayor and the governor's careers aren't over after all this.



again, just looking to blame people you disagree with on things that have nothing to do with these fires.

You come dangerously close to being a part of the problem and interfering with solutions.
 

This is not new - fires. What is new is the intensity of the winds during the fires. Brush clearance? "the winds fanning the flames were so fierce, and ground conditions so dry, that clearing more shrubs wouldn’t have had a significant effect." “You could have put a 10-lane freeway in front of that fire and it would not have slowed it one bit,”

People need to stop looking to blame politicians and city leaders they don't happen to care for. Looks like we may find the Edison people answering some questions regarding a few fires, too.
The cause of the fires. The ignition points. Are democrat protected arsonists.
 
Trump got the blame for COVID, the governor is going to get slammed for this.

It is just how the system works. Love it or. . . leave it.

Folks can blame whomever and whatever they want when they go to the polls.
After the fact - Trump's responses to the outbreak were critiqued. It's like the flu. Cold weather will kill it. Shoot up bleach. .

You people are not attacking responses to the fires. All available resources have been deployed. You get in teh way -- it feeds conspiracy theories.

and btw, bringing up Trump -- He said the most weird shit like
President-elect Donald J. Trump offered fresh criticism early Sunday of the officials in charge of fighting the Los Angeles wildfires, calling them “incompetent” and asking why the blazes were not yet extinguished.​
“The fires are still raging in L.A.,” Mr. Trump wrote on his Truth Social site. “The incompetent pols have no idea how to put them out.”​

Huh? wtf is he talking about? The Firefighters on the ground are the ones struggling to put the fires out
 
I would be very surprised if both that mayor and the governor's careers aren't over after all this.

Don't bother. Bass will be reelected in a landslide when she runs for another term, and Newsom will get 90-95% support from Dems when he runs for president.

Mark my words...these people can't learn.
 
MisterBeale has admitted the agenda

Trump was criticized for how he handled covid, so leaders, experts, and politicians not MAGA get attacked for everything in sight. As if using tragedies and catastrophes is a MAGA-game.
 
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That doesn't change what is. And it is what it is.

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second-guessers Could better brush clearance have helped slow the spread of the Palisades fire?

the answer is Nope.

Did these and other second-guessers have a point? Scientists, wildfire specialists and firefighting officials had differing viewpoints. But several of these experts — including strong proponents of brush clearance — said that the winds fanning the flames were so fierce, and ground conditions so dry, that clearing more shrubs wouldn’t have had a significant effect.​
“All of the brush clearance, fuel breaks — they’re very effective on what we would consider a normal day,” said Chief Brian Fennessy of the Orange County Fire Authority. “But what you’re talking about here is probably less than 1% of all the fires that we respond to in Southern California.”​
The Palisades fire ignited Jan. 7 amid hurricane-force winds, with gusts of up to 100 mph recorded in some areas.​
“You could have put a 10-lane freeway in front of that fire and it would not have slowed it one bit,”​
 
MisterBeale has admitted the agenda

Trump was criticized for how he handled covid, so leaders, experts, and politicians not MAGA get attacked for everything in sight. As if using tragedies and catastrophes is a MAGA-game.
Not just a MAGA game.

We all saw the DNC play that card after the COVID scamdemic, and then that dumb ass Floyd fentanyl OD.

If this weren't the truth? They DNC would not be using it for politics.


 
note: for others who come here.

This thread was not started on the Politics Boards. The House Trolls infected with MAGATitus can't help making everything an opportunity to make others look bad in order to make Trump look good.

Who is it that suffers TDS?
 
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". . . But you don’t get disasters of this scale without human failure, too. For years now, watching record-setting fire after record-setting fire, doomscrolling through phone footage of panicked fire-encircled evacuations and clocking the number of new cities visited by eerie and unbreathable clouds of wildfire smoke, it has been easy to mark each new disaster, many unprecedented in our lifetimes, with the scream, “Climate change!” It is also not enough. Decarbonization hasn’t yet solved the risk of catastrophic fire, and more rapid emissions reductions won’t dramatically reduce that risk for decades, either. In the meantime, it cannot be the case — must not be — that there was or is nothing more to do. . . ."
 
He's putting in even worse people than before.

In two years, the American people will be clamoring to have someone else in Office, anyone but that dope.

Watch.
He's old, he's in not so great health, his mind wanders much more than a few years back.

If he had and honor, he'd step aside like Sleepy Joe did .. Sleepy Joe who beat the shit out of Trump in 2020. with a greater electoral vote count LOL
 
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