Krugman rips von Mises up one side & down the other

[CrusaderFrank]

Instead of celebrating the liberation of Eastern Europe from the crushing oppression of the USSR, "American" Progressive are still wearing black armband mourning the loss of their Empire

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Remember how the "American" Left howled when Reagan called the USSR an "Evil Empire"?

 

[Bfgrn]

Notice how unhappy the "American" Left is at the defeat of their home team, the USSR

Why would liberals be unhappy with the defeat of a conservative form of government? The real unhappy ones were Russian conservatives (the Stalinists) after the fall of the USSR...

Soviet Conservatives Try to Turn Back the Clock on Gorbachev s Policies - New York Times

Russian conservatives, uneasy with the liberalization of Soviet society under Mikhail S. Gorbachev, have seized on the country's experiment in more democratic elections as a chance to fight for a return to more authoritarian ways.

The conservatives are a disparate alliance, including xenophobic fringe groups, like Pamyat, as well as large numbers of less extreme nationalists who yearn for what they see as the simple values of Old Russia and the Orthodox church.

At election rallies where speakers call out against the influence of ''Zionist forces,'' and in campaign leaflets decrying ''liberal yellow journalists,'' representatives of politically conservative organizations are trying to draft voters and candidates to establish a foothold within the Government.

'I Am a Stalinist'
''We brought our case to the people, and the outcome speaks for us,'' said Mr. Zherbin, whose group regards the liberalization of Soviet society as a conspiracy by Jews, Masons and Westernizers.

 

[bripat9643]

Notice how unhappy the "American" Left is at the defeat of their home team, the USSR

Why would liberals be unhappy with the defeat of a conservative form of government? The real unhappy ones were Russian conservatives (the Stalinists) after the fall of the USSR...

Soviet Conservatives Try to Turn Back the Clock on Gorbachev s Policies - New York Times

Russian conservatives, uneasy with the liberalization of Soviet society under Mikhail S. Gorbachev, have seized on the country's experiment in more democratic elections as a chance to fight for a return to more authoritarian ways.

The conservatives are a disparate alliance, including xenophobic fringe groups, like Pamyat, as well as large numbers of less extreme nationalists who yearn for what they see as the simple values of Old Russia and the Orthodox church.

At election rallies where speakers call out against the influence of ''Zionist forces,'' and in campaign leaflets decrying ''liberal yellow journalists,'' representatives of politically conservative organizations are trying to draft voters and candidates to establish a foothold within the Government.

'I Am a Stalinist'
''We brought our case to the people, and the outcome speaks for us,'' said Mr. Zherbin, whose group regards the liberalization of Soviet society as a conspiracy by Jews, Masons and Westernizers.

A Stalinist is a liberal, not a conservative. These Stalinist routinely labelled American conservatives as "reactionaries," just as American liberals did. Russian Stalinists and American liberals are on the same end of the political spectrum. Liberal journalists are the ones who attempted to make the term "conservative" stick to those who supported the same policies that American liberals support.

Only the brain dead liberal drones are buying it.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Notice how unhappy the "American" Left is at the defeat of their home team, the USSR

Why would liberals be unhappy with the defeat of a conservative form of government? The real unhappy ones were Russian conservatives (the Stalinists) after the fall of the USSR...

Soviet Conservatives Try to Turn Back the Clock on Gorbachev s Policies - New York Times

Russian conservatives, uneasy with the liberalization of Soviet society under Mikhail S. Gorbachev, have seized on the country's experiment in more democratic elections as a chance to fight for a return to more authoritarian ways.

The conservatives are a disparate alliance, including xenophobic fringe groups, like Pamyat, as well as large numbers of less extreme nationalists who yearn for what they see as the simple values of Old Russia and the Orthodox church.

At election rallies where speakers call out against the influence of ''Zionist forces,'' and in campaign leaflets decrying ''liberal yellow journalists,'' representatives of politically conservative organizations are trying to draft voters and candidates to establish a foothold within the Government.

'I Am a Stalinist'
''We brought our case to the people, and the outcome speaks for us,'' said Mr. Zherbin, whose group regards the liberalization of Soviet society as a conspiracy by Jews, Masons and Westernizers.

If "Liberals" are so happy about the collapse of the USSR why are you Liberal Progressives so ******* miserable?

 

[Dot Com]

Reaganomics worked.

Obamanomics failed

by giving 100's of BILLIONS in BORROWED taxpayer $$$ to defense contractors? Surely you jest. Thats the embodiment of corporate cronyism.

Provide for common defense is the only spending allowed for in the Constitution

by giving crony defense contractors free rein to bill to their hearts desire regardless of whether they deliver or not?

 

[Dot Com]

Reaganomics worked.

Obamanomics failed

Yes, but what Bush practiced was not Reagnomics. There was no need for him to spend like he did (and what he spent on).

Reagan's policies provided a glide path for Clinton that would have eliminated the debt (which is why I tell the left to shove the "debt explosion" argument up their asses (sideways). Clinton (and the GOP house) was on target to eliminate the debt altogether. As much as I like Dick Cheney, I totally disagreed with his "deficits don't matter" argument. In context, they do. And Bush didn't need them...could not afford them.

The entire federal budget had gotten to the point where revenues were not going to catch up one way or the other. Addtionally, Bush took over in a very mild recession and there was not room for error. He borrowed to stave off the inevitable. And Obama has carried his legacy forward at the speed of light.

Reaganomics worked.

Obamanomics failed

Yes, but what Bush practiced was not Reagnomics. There was no need for him to spend like he did (and what he spent on).

Reagan's policies provided a glide path for Clinton that would have eliminated the debt (which is why I tell the left to shove the "debt explosion" argument up their asses (sideways). Clinton (and the GOP house) was on target to eliminate the debt altogether. As much as I like Dick Cheney, I totally disagreed with his "deficits don't matter" argument. In context, they do. And Bush didn't need them...could not afford them.

The entire federal budget had gotten to the point where revenues were not going to catch up one way or the other. Addtionally, Bush took over in a very mild recession and there was not room for error. He borrowed to stave off the inevitable. And Obama has carried his legacy forward at the speed of light.

Reagan provided a path to ruin. Many of the catastrophes confronting the United States today can be traced to Reagan's presidency.

It took EVERY president from George Washington to Jimmy Carter to create one trillion dollars of debt. It took Reagan only 5 YEARS to create the second trillion dollars of debt. How did Reagan do it? With a welfare queen mentality. Reagan switched the federal government from what he critically called, a “tax and spend” policy, to a “borrow and spend” policy, where the government continued its heavy spending, but used borrowed money instead of tax revenue to pay the bills. The results were catastrophic. Although it had taken the United States more than 200 years to accumulate the first $1 trillion of national debt, it took only five years under Reagan to add the second one trillion dollars to the debt.

Reagan engineered the creation of more new debt than the combined deficits of all previous Presidents. He assailed Jimmy Carter's $73.8 billion deficit in the 1980 campaign, but the deficit reached $220.7 billion in 1986. The deficits rose from 2.6 percent of the gross national product in the fiscal year 1981 to 6.3 percent in 1983.

While Mr. Reagan was committed to reducing the size and scope of the Federal Government, the Federal civilian work force increased during his Presidency by 150,000, growing to more than 3 million.

While Mr. Reagan was committed to reducing Government spending, it rose by $321 billion during his Presidency, to more than a trillion dollars. Federal outlays rose from 22.7 percent of the gross national product in 1981 to 24 percent in 1985.

Repubs like Frank57 & other Fox News watchers cannot accept the truth because he's "their guy", just like Malaki was "their guy". They have nobody else because they put all their eggs in one crony capitalist basket

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Halliburton???

LOL

If Halliburton built a website, I'm pretty sure it would be able to tell you when someone bought your product

 

[Bfgrn]

Notice how unhappy the "American" Left is at the defeat of their home team, the USSR

Why would liberals be unhappy with the defeat of a conservative form of government? The real unhappy ones were Russian conservatives (the Stalinists) after the fall of the USSR...

Soviet Conservatives Try to Turn Back the Clock on Gorbachev s Policies - New York Times

Russian conservatives, uneasy with the liberalization of Soviet society under Mikhail S. Gorbachev, have seized on the country's experiment in more democratic elections as a chance to fight for a return to more authoritarian ways.

The conservatives are a disparate alliance, including xenophobic fringe groups, like Pamyat, as well as large numbers of less extreme nationalists who yearn for what they see as the simple values of Old Russia and the Orthodox church.

At election rallies where speakers call out against the influence of ''Zionist forces,'' and in campaign leaflets decrying ''liberal yellow journalists,'' representatives of politically conservative organizations are trying to draft voters and candidates to establish a foothold within the Government.

'I Am a Stalinist'
''We brought our case to the people, and the outcome speaks for us,'' said Mr. Zherbin, whose group regards the liberalization of Soviet society as a conspiracy by Jews, Masons and Westernizers.

A Stalinist is a liberal, not a conservative. These Stalinist routinely labelled American conservatives as "reactionaries," just as American liberals did. Russian Stalinists and American liberals are on the same end of the political spectrum. Liberal journalists are the ones who attempted to make the term "conservative" stick to those who supported the same policies that American liberals support.

Only the brain dead liberal drones are buying it.

Stalin was a conservative. Trotsky was at the other end of the spectrum.

The Art of Conservatism Marxism According to Stalin

When Stalin rose to power after Lenin’s death, Stalin quickly parted into the Right camp of the Communist Party.

The Left of the party, where Stalin’s archenemy Leon Trotsky ideologically lay, believed that future Communist revolutions were a “precondition for building a completely socialist society in Russia.”

Time Magazine 1927

 

[Listening]

Notice how unhappy the "American" Left is at the defeat of their home team, the USSR

Why would liberals be unhappy with the defeat of a conservative form of government? The real unhappy ones were Russian conservatives (the Stalinists) after the fall of the USSR...

Soviet Conservatives Try to Turn Back the Clock on Gorbachev s Policies - New York Times

Russian conservatives, uneasy with the liberalization of Soviet society under Mikhail S. Gorbachev, have seized on the country's experiment in more democratic elections as a chance to fight for a return to more authoritarian ways.

The conservatives are a disparate alliance, including xenophobic fringe groups, like Pamyat, as well as large numbers of less extreme nationalists who yearn for what they see as the simple values of Old Russia and the Orthodox church.

At election rallies where speakers call out against the influence of ''Zionist forces,'' and in campaign leaflets decrying ''liberal yellow journalists,'' representatives of politically conservative organizations are trying to draft voters and candidates to establish a foothold within the Government.

'I Am a Stalinist'
''We brought our case to the people, and the outcome speaks for us,'' said Mr. Zherbin, whose group regards the liberalization of Soviet society as a conspiracy by Jews, Masons and Westernizers.

A Stalinist is a liberal, not a conservative. These Stalinist routinely labelled American conservatives as "reactionaries," just as American liberals did. Russian Stalinists and American liberals are on the same end of the political spectrum. Liberal journalists are the ones who attempted to make the term "conservative" stick to those who supported the same policies that American liberals support.

Only the brain dead liberal drones are buying it.

Don't waste your time with him on this one. He can't let got of what he needs to justify taking in a Social Security check every month believing we "owe" it to him.

It's pathetic.

 

[Bfgrn]

Notice how unhappy the "American" Left is at the defeat of their home team, the USSR

Why would liberals be unhappy with the defeat of a conservative form of government? The real unhappy ones were Russian conservatives (the Stalinists) after the fall of the USSR...

Soviet Conservatives Try to Turn Back the Clock on Gorbachev s Policies - New York Times

Russian conservatives, uneasy with the liberalization of Soviet society under Mikhail S. Gorbachev, have seized on the country's experiment in more democratic elections as a chance to fight for a return to more authoritarian ways.

The conservatives are a disparate alliance, including xenophobic fringe groups, like Pamyat, as well as large numbers of less extreme nationalists who yearn for what they see as the simple values of Old Russia and the Orthodox church.

At election rallies where speakers call out against the influence of ''Zionist forces,'' and in campaign leaflets decrying ''liberal yellow journalists,'' representatives of politically conservative organizations are trying to draft voters and candidates to establish a foothold within the Government.

'I Am a Stalinist'
''We brought our case to the people, and the outcome speaks for us,'' said Mr. Zherbin, whose group regards the liberalization of Soviet society as a conspiracy by Jews, Masons and Westernizers.

A Stalinist is a liberal, not a conservative. These Stalinist routinely labelled American conservatives as "reactionaries," just as American liberals did. Russian Stalinists and American liberals are on the same end of the political spectrum. Liberal journalists are the ones who attempted to make the term "conservative" stick to those who supported the same policies that American liberals support.

Only the brain dead liberal drones are buying it.

Don't waste your time with him on this one. He can't let got of what he needs to justify taking in a Social Security check every month believing we "owe" it to him.

It's pathetic.

Hey pea brain...every working American PAYS INTO Social Security. It is an INSURANCE policy. Are you going to turn down SS benefits turd breath?

 

[bripat9643]

Hey pea brain...every working American PAYS INTO Social Security. It is an INSURANCE policy. Are you going to turn down SS benefits turd breath?

Social Security is not an Insurance policy. It's a welfare program. The executives of an insurance company would all go to jail if they ran their company the way Congress runs Social Security.

 

[Bfgrn]

Hey pea brain...every working American PAYS INTO Social Security. It is an INSURANCE policy. Are you going to turn down SS benefits turd breath?

Social Security is not an Insurance policy. It's a welfare program. The executives of an insurance company would all go to jail if they ran their company the way Congress runs Social Security.

Social Security IS an insurance program. AND...not one dime of the huge US deficit has been caused by a benefit check paid by Social Security.

 

[dblack]

Hey pea brain...every working American PAYS INTO Social Security. It is an INSURANCE policy. Are you going to turn down SS benefits turd breath?

Social Security is not an Insurance policy. It's a welfare program. The executives of an insurance company would all go to jail if they ran their company the way Congress runs Social Security.

Social Security IS an insurance program. AND...not one dime of the huge US deficit has been caused by a benefit check paid by Social Security.

I suspect many Americans would happily turn down SS benefits, in exchange for a full refund of the taxes they've paid into the program. Is that what you had in mind?

 

[Listening]

Hey pea brain...every working American PAYS INTO Social Security. It is an INSURANCE policy. Are you going to turn down SS benefits turd breath?

Social Security is not an Insurance policy. It's a welfare program. The executives of an insurance company would all go to jail if they ran their company the way Congress runs Social Security.

Social Security IS an insurance program. AND...not one dime of the huge US deficit has been caused by a benefit check paid by Social Security.

I suspect many Americans would happily turn down SS benefits, in exchange for a full refund of the taxes they've paid into the program. Is that what you had in mind?

Sign me up !!!!!!

 

[Bfgrn]

Hey pea brain...every working American PAYS INTO Social Security. It is an INSURANCE policy. Are you going to turn down SS benefits turd breath?

Social Security is not an Insurance policy. It's a welfare program. The executives of an insurance company would all go to jail if they ran their company the way Congress runs Social Security.

Social Security IS an insurance program. AND...not one dime of the huge US deficit has been caused by a benefit check paid by Social Security.

I suspect many Americans would happily turn down SS benefits, in exchange for a full refund of the taxes they've paid into the program. Is that what you had in mind?

Go for it pal. I know you far right wing scum want to end all social programs. But if you end Social Security, with it goes much more than retirement benefits.

 

[bripat9643]

Hey pea brain...every working American PAYS INTO Social Security. It is an INSURANCE policy. Are you going to turn down SS benefits turd breath?

Social Security is not an Insurance policy. It's a welfare program. The executives of an insurance company would all go to jail if they ran their company the way Congress runs Social Security.

Social Security IS an insurance program. AND...not one dime of the huge US deficit has been caused by a benefit check paid by Social Security.

Both claims are obviously wrong. Social Security bares no resemblance to a real insurance program, and every dime paid out adds to the deficit.

 

[dblack]

Hey pea brain...every working American PAYS INTO Social Security. It is an INSURANCE policy. Are you going to turn down SS benefits turd breath?

Social Security is not an Insurance policy. It's a welfare program. The executives of an insurance company would all go to jail if they ran their company the way Congress runs Social Security.

Social Security IS an insurance program. AND...not one dime of the huge US deficit has been caused by a benefit check paid by Social Security.

I suspect many Americans would happily turn down SS benefits, in exchange for a full refund of the taxes they've paid into the program. Is that what you had in mind?

Go for it pal. I know you far right wing scum want to end all social programs. But if you end Social Security, with it goes much more than retirement benefits.

Nah, I just want you to quit pretending that such programs are insurance policies. An insurance policy is a voluntary contract. No one is coerced into participating.

 

[gipper]

Hey pea brain...every working American PAYS INTO Social Security. It is an INSURANCE policy. Are you going to turn down SS benefits turd breath?

Social Security is not an Insurance policy. It's a welfare program. The executives of an insurance company would all go to jail if they ran their company the way Congress runs Social Security.

Social Security IS an insurance program. AND...not one dime of the huge US deficit has been caused by a benefit check paid by Social Security.

I suspect many Americans would happily turn down SS benefits, in exchange for a full refund of the taxes they've paid into the program. Is that what you had in mind?

Go for it pal. I know you far right wing scum want to end all social programs. But if you end Social Security, with it goes much more than retirement benefits.

Nah, I just want you to quit pretending that such programs are insurance policies. An insurance policy is a voluntary contract. No one is coerced into participating.

Yes and an insurance program has to be actuarially effective or the insurance program goes bankrupt.

 

[Bfgrn]

Hey pea brain...every working American PAYS INTO Social Security. It is an INSURANCE policy. Are you going to turn down SS benefits turd breath?

Social Security is not an Insurance policy. It's a welfare program. The executives of an insurance company would all go to jail if they ran their company the way Congress runs Social Security.

Social Security IS an insurance program. AND...not one dime of the huge US deficit has been caused by a benefit check paid by Social Security.

I suspect many Americans would happily turn down SS benefits, in exchange for a full refund of the taxes they've paid into the program. Is that what you had in mind?

Go for it pal. I know you far right wing scum want to end all social programs. But if you end Social Security, with it goes much more than retirement benefits.

Nah, I just want you to quit pretending that such programs are insurance policies. An insurance policy is a voluntary contract. No one is coerced into participating.

If you want to legally drive a car, insurance is not 'voluntary'. You far right wing scum just want to declare that you really are scum.