Krugman drives it home again

yeah, a full-fledged depression would have been preferable :rolleyes:

We were in uncharted territory since the Republican repeal of Glas Steagal in the name of of Gramm Leach, Bliley

Gramm?Leach?Bliley Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It repealed part of the Glass–Steagall Act of 1933, removing barriers in the market among banking companies, securities companies and insurance companies that prohibited any one institution from acting as any combination of an investment bank, a commercial bank, and an insurance company.
ALL Republicans :thup:
 
yeah, a full-fledged depression would have been preferable :rolleyes:

We were in uncharted territory since the Republican repeal of Glas Steagal in the name of of Gramm Leach, Bliley

Gramm?Leach?Bliley Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It repealed part of the Glass–Steagall Act of 1933, removing barriers in the market among banking companies, securities companies and insurance companies that prohibited any one institution from acting as any combination of an investment bank, a commercial bank, and an insurance company.
ALL Republicans :thup:

The legislation was signed into law by President Bill Clinton.
Ahem.
Anyway, more fantasy that Glass Steagel prevented anything. Of course it ignores the S&L meltdown and the petro dollar debacle. Among other banking crises.
 
You COMPLETELY missed the part about suppressed wages & increased profit...
...they purposefully miss these things...
Ah you must have overlooked our discussion. NP, we can go over it again. What happened is Krugman slimed his "suppressed wages & increased profit" fantasy when he said:
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Profits took a hit during the financial crisis, but have soared since then, and are now 60 percent above pre-crisis levels; meanwhile compensation has grown hardly at all, and indeed fallen in real per capita terms. The point is that we have a depressed economy for workers, but not at all for corporations.
So what we did was to show how Krugman well, lied. I mean, he just found a convenient time frame for corp profits and wages, mashed 'em together into an unexplained index, and then (without supporting proof) alleged that wages had "indeed fallen in real per capita terms" (yeah and somehow maybe corp profits didn't?). Mean old corps, poor poooor employees--or so the song goes.

Now we get to looking at total corp profits and total employee pay together going back to 2003--
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--and comparing dips we got corp owners with a 17% income cut for three years while employees had a 4% cut over two years. Let's also keep in mind that for every dollar in corp profits there's seven dollars in wages.

Hey, reality is what it is and Krugman says untrue stuff to please the party faithful.
 
You COMPLETELY missed the part about suppressed wages & increased profit. :thup: Read the OP again

they purposefully miss these things

yep. They will say wages are up but to neglect to point out that its "household" wages as opposed to "individual" wages because both people HAVE to work to get by in the post Reagan/Bush II era :thup: . Reminds me of this quote from the last repub Pres:

Quote by George W. Bush: You work three jobs? Uniquely American, isn't ...
“You work three jobs? Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're doing that."

To a divorced mother of three, Omaha, Nebraska, Feb. 4, 2005”
 
Another dickweed Krugman comedy thread ?

Can't get enough of these.

It's to bad Ol' Paul can't show the correlation he wishes existed in his crappy little graph.

I guess Paul somehow believes people are entitled to something more than they earn.

Funny how that was never anything I was taught in school or by anyone else.

If people don't like corporations making big money, they can start their own companies and compete.

I was ready to invest in some companies that I thought would do well when GM went under. Then Obama decided to bail it out. Bummer.
 
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He points out that slowly recovering economies, brought to the brink by wall st greed mind you, are doing quite well in a nascent economy. How you might ask :confused: Well, :up: by short-sheeting their employees of course. Its the randian way.

Why Corporations Might Not Mind Moderate Depression
What about actual experience in this depressed economy? Well, that’s the motivating example. You see, from a profits point of view it’s not a depressed economy at all. Look at profits versus compensation of employees (that’s wages and benefits combined) since the slump began at the end of 2007; both are expressed as indexes with 2007Q4=100:

Krugman's argument is retarded.

In a "mild depression," profits eventually stagnate. Corporations don't want that. It's soooooo much easier managing in a boom. In a boom, profits go up. Stocks go up. Bonuses go up. Comp goes up. The average tenure of a CEO is 4 years. They aren't sitting around hoping for a "mild depression" because they may not be around long enough to benefit when it ends.

Wages are a lagging indicator. When the economy goes into a recession, the first thing corporations do is cut costs. This always happens. That's what happened this recession and the prior 20+ recessions over the past 110 years. Then, as the economy starts to improve, corporate resources get stretched and hiring picked up. This recession is no different. In fact, it's fairly unremarkable at how the hiring cycle has looked compared to past recessions.

FTR, earnings per share of the S&P 500 is $95. In August 2007, it was $87. So, by that measure, there has been a 10% increase in profits since before the Financial Crisis.

Krugman's really gone off the deep end. What a moron.
 
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This recession is different because hiring has taken so long to recover. And it hasn't. UE has dropped mainly because people are leaving the workforce, not because they are entering it.
 
He points out that slowly recovering economies, brought to the brink by wall st greed mind you, are doing quite well in a nascent economy. How you might ask :confused: Well, :up: by short-sheeting their employees of course. Its the randian way.

Why Corporations Might Not Mind Moderate Depression
What about actual experience in this depressed economy? Well, that’s the motivating example. You see, from a profits point of view it’s not a depressed economy at all. Look at profits versus compensation of employees (that’s wages and benefits combined) since the slump began at the end of 2007; both are expressed as indexes with 2007Q4=100:

Krugman's argument is retarded.

In a "mild depression," profits eventually stagnate. Corporations don't want that. It's soooooo much easier managing in a boom. In a boom, profits go up. Stocks go up. Bonuses go up. Comp goes up. The average tenure of a CEO is 4 years. They aren't sitting around hoping for a "mild depression" because they may not be around long enough to benefit when it ends.

Wages are a lagging indicator. When the economy goes into a recession, the first thing corporations do is cut costs. This always happens. That's what happened this recession and the prior 20+ recessions over the past 110 years. Then, as the economy starts to improve, corporate resources get stretched and hiring picked up. This recession is no different. In fact, it's fairly unremarkable at how the hiring cycle has looked compared to past recessions.

FTR, earnings per share of the S&P 500 is $95. In August 2007, it was $87. So, by that measure, there has been a 10% increase in profits since before the Financial Crisis.

Krugman's really gone off the deep end. What a moron.

this recession is different than other recessions because it started out as a depression. Wall st, the fed & their media- cnbc, abc, cbs, etc... (all shills) don't want people to do a run on the banks. The only reason it didn't mirror 1929 is because the fed has been pumping fiat $$$ into the economy pell mell. Who is ultimately going to have to pay that bill?

Krugman knows it, I know it, & the American people know it. Profits are way up not because of producing anything of value, just because of trading metaphorical scraps of paper.
 
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This recession is different because hiring has taken so long to recover. And it hasn't. UE has dropped mainly because people are leaving the workforce, not because they are entering it.

The only way Krugman can make this argument stick is if he somehow explains that as the labor market is being surpressed.....somehow people are out there buying like mad this driving up profits.

What is so funny is that what this really might be saying is that some workers were overpaid and a recession gives companies a chance to correct that.

I'm sure he'd admit to that. :eusa_hand:
 
He points out that slowly recovering economies, brought to the brink by wall st greed mind you, are doing quite well in a nascent economy. How you might ask :confused: Well, :up: by short-sheeting their employees of course. Its the randian way.

Why Corporations Might Not Mind Moderate Depression

Krugman's argument is retarded.

In a "mild depression," profits eventually stagnate. Corporations don't want that. It's soooooo much easier managing in a boom. In a boom, profits go up. Stocks go up. Bonuses go up. Comp goes up. The average tenure of a CEO is 4 years. They aren't sitting around hoping for a "mild depression" because they may not be around long enough to benefit when it ends.

Wages are a lagging indicator. When the economy goes into a recession, the first thing corporations do is cut costs. This always happens. That's what happened this recession and the prior 20+ recessions over the past 110 years. Then, as the economy starts to improve, corporate resources get stretched and hiring picked up. This recession is no different. In fact, it's fairly unremarkable at how the hiring cycle has looked compared to past recessions.

FTR, earnings per share of the S&P 500 is $95. In August 2007, it was $87. So, by that measure, there has been a 10% increase in profits since before the Financial Crisis.

Krugman's really gone off the deep end. What a moron.

this recession is different than other recessions because it started out as a depression. Wall st, the fed & their media- cnbc, abc, cbs, etc... (all shills) don't want people to do a run on the banks. The only reason it didn't mirror 1929 is because the fed has been pumping fiat $$$ into the economy pell mell. Who is ultimately going to have to pay that bill?

Krugman knows it, I know it, & the American people know it. Profits are way up not because of producing anything of value, just because of trading metaphorical scraps of paper.

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He points out that slowly recovering economies, brought to the brink by wall st greed mind you, are doing quite well in a nascent economy. How you might ask :confused: Well, :up: by short-sheeting their employees of course. Its the randian way.

Why Corporations Might Not Mind Moderate Depression
What about actual experience in this depressed economy? Well, that’s the motivating example. You see, from a profits point of view it’s not a depressed economy at all. Look at profits versus compensation of employees (that’s wages and benefits combined) since the slump began at the end of 2007; both are expressed as indexes with 2007Q4=100:

Krugman's argument is retarded.

In a "mild depression," profits eventually stagnate. Corporations don't want that. It's soooooo much easier managing in a boom. In a boom, profits go up. Stocks go up. Bonuses go up. Comp goes up. The average tenure of a CEO is 4 years. They aren't sitting around hoping for a "mild depression" because they may not be around long enough to benefit when it ends.

Wages are a lagging indicator. When the economy goes into a recession, the first thing corporations do is cut costs. This always happens. That's what happened this recession and the prior 20+ recessions over the past 110 years. Then, as the economy starts to improve, corporate resources get stretched and hiring picked up. This recession is no different. In fact, it's fairly unremarkable at how the hiring cycle has looked compared to past recessions.

FTR, earnings per share of the S&P 500 is $95. In August 2007, it was $87. So, by that measure, there has been a 10% increase in profits since before the Financial Crisis.

Krugman's really gone off the deep end. What a moron.

Well, if we took him at his word....companies should have been smoking hot during the great depression.

Gong....wrong again...Paul.
 
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this recession is different than other recessions because it started out as a depression. Wall st, the fed & their media- cnbc, abc, cbs, etc... (all shills) don't want people to do a run on the banks. The only reason it didn't mirror 1929 is because the fed has been pumping fiat $$$ into the economy pell mell. Who is ultimately going to have to pay that bill?

Krugman knows it, I know it, & the American people know it. Profits are way up not because of producing anything of value, just because of trading metaphorical scraps of paper.

This has absolutely nothing to do with Krugman's argument.

Krugman is saying companies don't mind "moderate depressions" because it keeps wages depressed. The recession started in 2008. Today, it's 2014. The average CEO has lost his job between 2008 and 2014. Boards aren't having discussions about how much they don't mind this recession. They are lamenting that they have to find growth some other way. Growing profits through cost cutting only goes so far. And it's hard. Companies would much rather grow through demand. It's easier. Krugman's argument is idiotic.

I respect Krugman as an economist on geography, but he is a hack, and sometimes a clueless one at that.
 

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