Koch Bothers: Callous and Indifferent While Pursuing Profit and Power.

No. He isn't a loser. He just understands what has happened to the U.S. Economy and he knows what laissez-faire capitalism is about.

He also knows that anyone who believes vast money hoards are accumulated by "hard work" is a deluded fool.

There are a few "workers paradises" around the world you and PMS may want to consider rather than continue suffering here in this debauched capitalist country, comrade.
I'm afraid that unless and until someone finds a better way to generate the world's largest economy, America will continue to stumble down the road Adam Smith immortalized in "the Wealth of Nations" just about the time the US was established.
America was a veritable workers paradise between the late 1940s and the early 1980s, when the laissez-faire capitalist system which brought about the Great Depression was brought under control by a number of prudent socialist regulations, a 91% tax rate on the super-rich, and an active union movement.
:blahblah: What a load of unadulterated horse shit. Socialist regulations did not end the great depression. It took WWII and full mobilization to end the great depression. Kind of disingenuous of you to try to revise history.
Then came the union-busting bastard and his Reaganomics atrocity -- with methodical deregulation and "trickle down" that turned out to be siphon-up economics. And the rest is the history you've been conditioned to ignore. It is right there before your eyes, friend. All you need to do is look at it.
:bsflag: And you have yet to see and understand any of it.
 
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:blahblah: What a load of unadulterated horse shit. Socialist regulations did not end the great depression. It took WWII and full mobilization to end the great depression.

That's incorrect, too. WWII just staved off the Depression for awhile. Here's what really happened: Congress CUT Taxes.

...It's a myth. FDR did not get us out of the Great Depression—not during the 1930s, and only in a limited sense during World War II.

Let's start with the New Deal. Its various alphabet-soup agencies—the WPA, AAA, NRA and even the TVA (Tennessee Valley Authority)—failed to create sustainable jobs. In May 1939, U.S. unemployment still exceeded 20%. European countries, according to a League of Nations survey, averaged only about 12% in 1938. The New Deal, by forcing taxes up and discouraging entrepreneurs from investing, probably did more harm than good.

What about World War II? We need to understand that the near-full employment during the conflict was temporary. Ten million to 12 million soldiers overseas and another 10 million to 15 million people making tanks, bullets and war materiel do not a lasting recovery make. The country essentially traded temporary jobs for a skyrocketing national debt. Many of those jobs had little or no value after the war.

No one knew this more than FDR himself. His key advisers were frantic at the possibility of the Great Depression's return when the war ended and the soldiers came home. The president believed a New Deal revival was the answer—and on Oct. 28, 1944, about six months before his death, he spelled out his vision for a postwar America. It included government-subsidized housing, federal involvement in health care, more TVA projects, and the "right to a useful and remunerative job" provided by the federal government if necessary.

Roosevelt died before the war ended and before he could implement his New Deal revival. His successor, Harry Truman, in a 16,000 word message on Sept. 6, 1945, urged Congress to enact FDR's ideas as the best way to achieve full employment after the war.

Congress—both chambers with Democratic majorities—responded by just saying "no." No to the whole New Deal revival: no federal program for health care, no full-employment act, only limited federal housing, and no increase in minimum wage or Social Security benefits.

Instead, Congress reduced taxes. Income tax rates were cut across the board. FDR's top marginal rate, 94% on all income over $200,000, was cut to 86.45%. The lowest rate was cut to 19% from 23%, and with a change in the amount of income exempt from taxation an estimated 12 million Americans were eliminated from the tax rolls entirely.

Corporate tax rates were trimmed and FDR's "excess profits" tax was repealed, which meant that top marginal corporate tax rates effectively went to 38% from 90% after 1945. ...


Burt Folsom: Did FDR End the Depression? - WSJ.com
 
What policies is Soros making the President implement?

Obama does NOTHING without clearing it first with Soros. Soros OWNS Obama and the entire democratic party.

And you know it.
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Printing tons of Obamabucks to hammer down the value of the dollar at the behest of a traitor who profits from betting against the American buck might qualify.....but only to an unbiased observer.
 
Most vast fortunes are the result of hard work, smart investment, and good business, and only a deluded fool would say the opposite. Your assumption that accumulating a vast fortune must include exploitation and criminality suggests your mind is in a dark place.

At what number (amount) is one considered to have a vast fortune?
Based on the study of human behavior it is only in the eyes of the beholder. (Read Capitalism: A Treatise on Economics by George Reisman) I am quite satisfied with my fortunes, but some people are jealous, ie ate up with the penis envy stick.

BTW, there is no such thing, nor has their ever been such a thing as "laissez faire" capitalism.

The reason I ask this, and probably the reason you know better than to answer it, is because you are most likely not near as wealthy as you would like to think you are. You are on the upper end of the Koch/Romney/Ryan, et al, propaganda machine. You are lead to believe you are one of the wealthy ones so you will believe the Democrats/Liberals/RandomVariable are out to get you. The fact of the matter is you are small fish in the Koch's pond. It is not the Democrats that are after you but the Koch brothers. You are their buffer zone, the "small business" that the left wants to destroy. You are a tool just as the poor white people who believe the left is immoral and taking their money to "spend right here in Washington". (Not that I am in Washington.) If your dislike towards the left was based on reality that would be a different story but your dislike is based on propaganda specifically crafted by psychological experts somewhere on the Koch estate. Your fears and desires are played upon like the strings of a violin. Your outrage brings you to the message board so you can yell your head off. The anger is your own but the words have been chosen for you. Learn to think and speak for yourself. Oh, and learn what the word 'socialist' means.
 
:blahblah: What a load of unadulterated horse shit. Socialist regulations did not end the great depression. It took WWII and full mobilization to end the great depression.

That's incorrect, too. WWII just staved off the Depression for awhile. Here's what really happened: Congress CUT Taxes.

...It's a myth. FDR did not get us out of the Great Depression—not during the 1930s, and only in a limited sense during World War II.

Let's start with the New Deal. Its various alphabet-soup agencies—the WPA, AAA, NRA and even the TVA (Tennessee Valley Authority)—failed to create sustainable jobs. In May 1939, U.S. unemployment still exceeded 20%. European countries, according to a League of Nations survey, averaged only about 12% in 1938. The New Deal, by forcing taxes up and discouraging entrepreneurs from investing, probably did more harm than good.

What about World War II? We need to understand that the near-full employment during the conflict was temporary. Ten million to 12 million soldiers overseas and another 10 million to 15 million people making tanks, bullets and war materiel do not a lasting recovery make. The country essentially traded temporary jobs for a skyrocketing national debt. Many of those jobs had little or no value after the war.

No one knew this more than FDR himself. His key advisers were frantic at the possibility of the Great Depression's return when the war ended and the soldiers came home. The president believed a New Deal revival was the answer—and on Oct. 28, 1944, about six months before his death, he spelled out his vision for a postwar America. It included government-subsidized housing, federal involvement in health care, more TVA projects, and the "right to a useful and remunerative job" provided by the federal government if necessary.

Roosevelt died before the war ended and before he could implement his New Deal revival. His successor, Harry Truman, in a 16,000 word message on Sept. 6, 1945, urged Congress to enact FDR's ideas as the best way to achieve full employment after the war.

Congress—both chambers with Democratic majorities—responded by just saying "no." No to the whole New Deal revival: no federal program for health care, no full-employment act, only limited federal housing, and no increase in minimum wage or Social Security benefits.

Instead, Congress reduced taxes. Income tax rates were cut across the board. FDR's top marginal rate, 94% on all income over $200,000, was cut to 86.45%. The lowest rate was cut to 19% from 23%, and with a change in the amount of income exempt from taxation an estimated 12 million Americans were eliminated from the tax rolls entirely.

Corporate tax rates were trimmed and FDR's "excess profits" tax was repealed, which meant that top marginal corporate tax rates effectively went to 38% from 90% after 1945. ...


Burt Folsom: Did FDR End the Depression? - WSJ.com
The end to the Great Depression came about in 1941 with America's entry into World War II. America sided with Britain, France and the Soviet Union against Germany, Italy, and Japan. The loss of lives in this war was staggering. The European part of the war ended with Germany's surrender in May 1945. Japan surrendered in September 1945, after the U.S. dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Depression & WWII (1929-1945)Putting 16 million men into uniform (steady pay checks) mobilization which jump started many large industries, the entry of millions of women into the work force, rationing which caused massive savings by private individuals all helped end the great depression. The anticipated return to depression did not occur after the war because spending maintained high levels of industrial activity. As we moved into the early 50s massive infrastructure creation (1 example the Eisenhower interstate system) and finally the understanding of the tax issue by JFK, lowering taxes significantly helped to keep our country moving in the right direction. Varying business cycles continued, and the 1957/58 recession slowed growth for a while but there was no turning back. The sleeping tiger had awakened and the US because the most prosperous economy the world had ever seen.

There were other variables which helped, but the one single event leading to the start of prosperity was the MOBILIZATION for WWII, not FDR or his NEW DEAL or WPA or other social programs.
 
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FDR was smart enough to figure out that the only way to get out of the hold he had dug was to start a war. So.....no act of commission necessary at all. Just ignore all the warnings about what the Japs had in the offing for Hawaii and let 'er rip.

Of course that Americans died was of no consequence in the greater scheme of doing whatever it took.
 
I have very little patience with conspiracy theories, and they abound about how we got into the war. I personally remember the early war, to include our efforts in China with the flying tigers and Chennault and Pearl Harbor. Even before we entered the war even we kids understood the Nazis and Japanese were threats to the world. We were not fully cognizant to the degree or the reasons why but we experienced some fears as kids can. It hit home as our fathers and uncles were called to service. There has never been a doubt in my mind that our going to war and fighting it to win was the right thing to do. I object to our namby pamby efforts at fighting wars since. We have not gone to war to win since WWII, and that is the shame of it.
 
That is a very cute photoshopped picture but can you talk without a hand up your butt?


Photoshopped...very astute Random Foible...It is NO different than a political Cartoon COMMENTARY. And you have a problem with this? Hmm? Go fuck yourself.:eusa_hand:

Ah, poor T, poor, poor T. A picture tells a thousands words. Or it speaks for you when you have none.

^^Stand Back...Moron wants to say something^^^

Yeah Random Foible, I mean YOU.
 
Photoshopped...very astute Random Foible...It is NO different than a political Cartoon COMMENTARY. And you have a problem with this? Hmm? Go fuck yourself.:eusa_hand:

Ah, poor T, poor, poor T. A picture tells a thousands words. Or it speaks for you when you have none.

^^Stand Back...Moron wants to say something^^^

Yeah Random Foible, I mean YOU.

You should have went with another photoshopped.

:night:
 

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