"Kiss the Good Times Goodbye" - the end of the automotive era

[rightwinger]

Maybe not out....but less reliant on it

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Yeah, I didn't mean "out" as to disappear. I mean people still ride horses. Reliant is a good word. And it will take decades, considering electric will replace internal combustion, by attrition.....unless the government steps in, which they shouldn't.

Need a national infrastructure to recharge cars rather than fill them with gas

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Maybe not out....but less reliant on it

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Yeah, I didn't mean "out" as to disappear. I mean people still ride horses. Reliant is a good word. And it will take decades, considering electric will replace internal combustion, by attrition.....unless the government steps in, which they shouldn't.

Need a national infrastructure to recharge cars rather than fill them with gas

That is only going to happen through the government. And our government is far to influenced by outside interest to make that happen

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

There are too just too many variables in driving a car.
It might work on a limited basis in small areas like in down towns.
But after enough people and pets are killed by automated cars it will limit its use.

 

[rightwinger]

Maybe not out....but less reliant on it

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Yeah, I didn't mean "out" as to disappear. I mean people still ride horses. Reliant is a good word. And it will take decades, considering electric will replace internal combustion, by attrition.....unless the government steps in, which they shouldn't.

Need a national infrastructure to recharge cars rather than fill them with gas

That is only going to happen through the government. And our government is far to influenced by outside interest to make that happen

Drill baby, drill

Conservatives still celebrate every failure of alternative energy

 

[Windparadox]

There are too just too many variables in driving a car. It might work on a limited basis in small areas like in down towns. But after enough people and pets are killed by automated cars it will limit its use.

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It might catch in urban areas but is impractical (at this point) for most rural applications.

 

[Windparadox]

Drill baby, drill Conservatives still celebrate every failure of alternative energy

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On matters like this, I pay no attention to political idealouges. I follow the financial and engineering magazines and trade papers.

 

[WinterBorn]

There are too just too many variables in driving a car.
It might work on a limited basis in small areas like in down towns.
But after enough people and pets are killed by automated cars it will limit its use.

How are driverless cars going to increase the number of people killed? They are never driven under the influence. The car is never distracted. The car can judge distance and speed much better than a human. The driverless car can even communicate with other cars. Can detect things in the dark, in the rain, and even in front of other cars. And there is no ego involved. As for pets, they are supposed to be leashed in urban areas. Even if they escape, they are still more easily detected by the driverless car than by a human driver.

 

[rightwinger]

I remember when I was a kid in the 60s and they predicted we would all have flying cars by the year 2000
I remember when they released the Segway and declared it the transportation of the future

Technology is not always practical and does not always catch on

 

[rightwinger]

There are too just too many variables in driving a car.
It might work on a limited basis in small areas like in down towns.
But after enough people and pets are killed by automated cars it will limit its use.

How are driverless cars going to increase the number of people killed? They are never driven under the influence. The car is never distracted. The car can judge distance and speed much better than a human. The driverless car can even communicate with other cars. Can detect things in the dark, in the rain, and even in front of other cars. And there is no ego involved. As for pets, they are supposed to be leashed in urban areas. Even if they escape, they are still more easily detected by the driverless car than by a human driver.

Also those damned deer
You can have an infrared sensor to pick them up

 

[BulletProof]

And even in 20 years it won't happen. To think that 3.8 million square miles of this country can be 100% covered by driverless vehicles is too outlandish for sci fi never mind real life

In 20 years 90% of the cars on the road will be self-driving. Government pressure could tip that to practically 100%. You need to go to the store and buy some common sense.

 

[Skull Pilot]

And even in 20 years it won't happen. To think that 3.8 million square miles of this country can be 100% covered by driverless vehicles is too outlandish for sci fi never mind real life

In 20 years 90% of the cars on the road will be self-driving. Government pressure could tip that to practically 100%. You need to go to the store and buy some common sense.

Keep dreaming.

We can't even get 100% cell phone coverage and you think we can get 100% of cars on the road to drive themselves

 

[Skull Pilot]

Maybe not out....but less reliant on it

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Yeah, I didn't mean "out" as to disappear. I mean people still ride horses. Reliant is a good word. And it will take decades, considering electric will replace internal combustion, by attrition.....unless the government steps in, which they shouldn't.

Need a national infrastructure to recharge cars rather than fill them with gas

yeah if you want to stop for 3 hours every 50 to 100 miles.

 

[rightwinger]

And even in 20 years it won't happen. To think that 3.8 million square miles of this country can be 100% covered by driverless vehicles is too outlandish for sci fi never mind real life

In 20 years 90% of the cars on the road will be self-driving. Government pressure could tip that to practically 100%. You need to go to the store and buy some common sense.

I doubt it
Many of the cars on the road today will still be around
Many rural vehicles will still need drivers. I can see cars in 20 years having self driving capabilities in cities and major highways but they will still need manual override

 

[rightwinger]

Maybe not out....but less reliant on it

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Yeah, I didn't mean "out" as to disappear. I mean people still ride horses. Reliant is a good word. And it will take decades, considering electric will replace internal combustion, by attrition.....unless the government steps in, which they shouldn't.

Need a national infrastructure to recharge cars rather than fill them with gas

yeah if you want to stop for 3 hours every 50 to 100 miles.

Their range is getting better so are quick charge capabilities. Drive for three hours and stop for lunch and your car will be recharged when you get out

 

[Skull Pilot]

Maybe not out....but less reliant on it

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Yeah, I didn't mean "out" as to disappear. I mean people still ride horses. Reliant is a good word. And it will take decades, considering electric will replace internal combustion, by attrition.....unless the government steps in, which they shouldn't.

Need a national infrastructure to recharge cars rather than fill them with gas

yeah if you want to stop for 3 hours every 50 to 100 miles.

Their range is getting better so are quick charge capabilities. Drive for three hours and stop for lunch and your car will be recharged when you get out

And just how long will that take?

And how is the range going to be when running the heater in the winter or the AC in the summer?

And I don't know about you but I don't want to have to stop for an hour for every 3 hours I drive that is if I can even drive 3 hours at a time in an EV.

EVs will not be competitive until they can match ICE vehicles in range and refuel times in the real world

 

[ABikerSailor]

Maybe not out....but less reliant on it

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Yeah, I didn't mean "out" as to disappear. I mean people still ride horses. Reliant is a good word. And it will take decades, considering electric will replace internal combustion, by attrition.....unless the government steps in, which they shouldn't.

Need a national infrastructure to recharge cars rather than fill them with gas

yeah if you want to stop for 3 hours every 50 to 100 miles.

Their range is getting better so are quick charge capabilities. Drive for three hours and stop for lunch and your car will be recharged when you get out

And just how long will that take?

And how is the range going to be when running the heater in the winter or the AC in the summer?

And I don't know about you but I don't want to have to stop for an hour for every 3 hours I drive that is if I can even drive 3 hours at a time in an EV.

EVs will not be competitive until they can match ICE vehicles in range and refuel times in the real world

Currently, the range for a Tesla is just over 300 miles for a single charge.

Privately owned vehicle mileage for travel from one duty station to another for travel time was figured at the rate of 350 miles/day for travel when I was in the military, and if you had a fraction left over that was over 100 miles, it was counted as another travel day.

You know, I could live with a 300 mile range vehicle.

 

[BulletProof]

We can't even get 100% cell phone coverage and you think we can get 100% of cars on the road to drive themselves

Nearly the whole country has cell phone coverage. Cell phones require infrastructure, self-driving cars do not. Insurance savings will pay for the self-driving feature, service charges don't pay for the cell towers in the boondocks. Go to the wizard and get a brain.

 

[Skull Pilot]

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Yeah, I didn't mean "out" as to disappear. I mean people still ride horses. Reliant is a good word. And it will take decades, considering electric will replace internal combustion, by attrition.....unless the government steps in, which they shouldn't.

Need a national infrastructure to recharge cars rather than fill them with gas

yeah if you want to stop for 3 hours every 50 to 100 miles.

Their range is getting better so are quick charge capabilities. Drive for three hours and stop for lunch and your car will be recharged when you get out

And just how long will that take?

And how is the range going to be when running the heater in the winter or the AC in the summer?

And I don't know about you but I don't want to have to stop for an hour for every 3 hours I drive that is if I can even drive 3 hours at a time in an EV.

EVs will not be competitive until they can match ICE vehicles in range and refuel times in the real world

Currently, the range for a Tesla is just over 300 miles for a single charge.

Privately owned vehicle mileage for travel from one duty station to another for travel time was figured at the rate of 350 miles/day for travel, and if you had a fraction left over that was over 100 miles, it was counted as another travel day.

You know, I could live with a 300 mile range vehicle.

Is that like the estimated mile per gallon stat that is always wrong?

In real life with the AC or the heater running, in cold temperatures, in hot temperatures, etc what is the real world range?

Volkswagen e-Golf: real-world range vs. EPA estimates over six-month test

The lowest range we saw when waiting as long as we comfortably could before plugging back in was 58 miles—during a cold snap just below 30 degrees F, with the heat and heated seats on, with most of the charge spent on the highway, at around 70 mph.

 

[rightwinger]

Maybe not out....but less reliant on it

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Yeah, I didn't mean "out" as to disappear. I mean people still ride horses. Reliant is a good word. And it will take decades, considering electric will replace internal combustion, by attrition.....unless the government steps in, which they shouldn't.

Need a national infrastructure to recharge cars rather than fill them with gas

yeah if you want to stop for 3 hours every 50 to 100 miles.

Their range is getting better so are quick charge capabilities. Drive for three hours and stop for lunch and your car will be recharged when you get out

And just how long will that take?

And how is the range going to be when running the heater in the winter or the AC in the summer?

And I don't know about you but I don't want to have to stop for an hour for every 3 hours I drive that is if I can even drive 3 hours at a time in an EV.

EVs will not be competitive until they can match ICE vehicles in range and refuel times in the real world

So don't buy one
They may never match ICE vehicles in range and will never be recharged in three minutes
But they may provide a better option for many drivers who can just plug them in at night and never have to visit a gas or recharging station.

 

[BulletProof]

EVs will not be competitive until they can match ICE vehicles in range and refuel times in the real world

Numbskull, electric cars will never match refuel times of gas cars, but you think otherwise. LOL.

Electric cars will be competitive when the cost the same as gas cars.