Kill The Profit Motive And You Kill Modern Medical Advances And Prosperity

[bripat9643]

Enacting laws does not make a country socialist. Holy **** how retarded can you possibly be? Don't answer...I don't want to know.

How do you imagine socialism would be imposed if not by law?

So any country that has laws is now Socialist. Got it. I guess every country in the world is socialist according to you.

You insist on making yourself look like an idiot.

Laws that regulate industry are a form of socialism. Every country in the world is socialist to some extent.

 

[RDD_1210]

How do you imagine socialism would be imposed if not by law?

So any country that has laws is now Socialist. Got it. I guess every country in the world is socialist according to you.

You insist on making yourself look like an idiot.

Laws that regulate industry are a form of socialism. Every country in the world is socialist to some extent.

Hahahaahahahah. I'm glad I quoted it before you can edit and pretend like you didn't say it.

You've lost. On this message board but likely in life as well.

 

[bripat9643]

So any country that has laws is now Socialist. Got it. I guess every country in the world is socialist according to you.

You insist on making yourself look like an idiot.

Laws that regulate industry are a form of socialism. Every country in the world is socialist to some extent.

Hahahaahahahah. I'm glad I quoted it before you can edit and pretend like you didn't say it.

You've lost. On this message board but likely in life as well.

I lost because you're an imbecile who doesn't know what socialism is?

Why don't you explain to us how you determine when a country has adopted socialism.

 

[RDD_1210]

You insist on making yourself look like an idiot.

Laws that regulate industry are a form of socialism. Every country in the world is socialist to some extent.

Hahahaahahahah. I'm glad I quoted it before you can edit and pretend like you didn't say it.

You've lost. On this message board but likely in life as well.

I lost because you're an imbecile who doesn't know what socialism is?

Why don't you explain to us how you determine when a country has adopted socialism.

LOL, I'm still laughing that you actually said that anytime there are laws that regulate industry then it is socialism. So by your definition, anything that isn't unfettered, unregulated capitalism is socialism.

 

[The Rabbi]

Hahahaahahahah. I'm glad I quoted it before you can edit and pretend like you didn't say it.

You've lost. On this message board but likely in life as well.

I lost because you're an imbecile who doesn't know what socialism is?

Why don't you explain to us how you determine when a country has adopted socialism.

LOL, I'm still laughing that you actually said that anytime there are laws that regulate industry then it is socialism. So by your definition, anything that isn't unfettered, unregulated capitalism is socialism.

Proving your status as chief moron of this board, yet again.

He didnt say that laws that regulate are socialism. No spin on your part could make that happen. the fact you think he wrote that indicates your inferior intelligence.

 

[AceRothstein]

Since this thread was DOA when it claimed Obamacare is socialized medicine, this list is overkill, but here's a list of medical inventions and their country of origin.

Adrenaline (epinephrine): Isolated and used to treat asthma by Jokichi Takamine (Japan)
Artificial heart: Paul Winchell (USA) holds the original patent for an implantable artificial heart. Oddly enough, he was also an accomplished ventriloquist who was the voice of Tigger in Disney’s Winnie the Pooh
Aspirin: Felix Hoffmann (Germany) – he also synthesized heroin
Beta blockers: Sir James Black (UK) made a number of contributions to understanding of cardiology for which he was awarded the Nobel Prize in 1988. Among his inventions was the first of a class of beta blocker drugs which among other things offers cardioprotection after a heart attack and reduce high blood pressure.
Bone marrow compatibility test: Barbara Bain (Canada)
Cardiac pacemaker: The idea for the pacemaker came from J A McWilliam in 1889 (UK). The first external pacemaker was designed and built by John Hopps (Canada). Earl Bakken (USA) developed the first externally wearable pacemaker. The first implantable pacemaker was designed by Rune Elmqvist and Ake Senning (Sweden).
CAT scan: Godfrey Hounsfield (UK), Alban Cormac (USA, born in South Africa)
Clinical trials: Austin Bradford Hill (UK)
Contact lenses: Leonardo Da Vinci (Italy)
Electrocardiogram (ECG or EKG) – Justin Ho (UK). The first portable EKG was developed by Taro Takemi (Japan)
Fetal monitor: K. Hammacher (Germany), Hewlett-Packard Co (USA, Germany)
Heart lung machine: John Heysham Gibbon (USA)
Heart transplant: Christiaan Barnard (South Africa) successfully transplanted the first human heart from one person to another
Helicobacter pylori: Barry Marshall and Robin Warren (Australia) discovered this bacterium which causes stomach ulcers
Hepatitis B vaccine: Baruch Blumberg, Irving Millman (USA)
HIV: Luc Montagnier (France) is credited for discovering HIV as the cause for AIDS
In vitro fertilization: John Rock (USA) extracted the first intact fertilized human egg. Carl Wood (Australia) pioneered the use of frozen embryos. Patrick Steptoe and Robert Edwards (UK) carried out the first successful procedure resulting in the birth of a healthy infant, Louise Brown.
Insulin: Isolated by Frederick Banting, Charles Best, J.J.R. Macleod, James Collip (Canada). They also pioneered the process for using insulin to treat diabetes
Medical ultrasound: Karl Theodore Dussik (Austria), Ian Donald (Scotland)
Nuclear medicine: Taro Tekemi (Japan)
Pasteurization: Developed by Louis Pasteur (France) as a method to kill germs. Pasteur also developed the germ theory of infection
Penicillin: Alexander Fleming (Scotland)
Polio vaccine: Jonas Salk, Albert Sabin (USA)
Smallpox vaccine: Although Edward Jenner (UK) is credited with developing the vaccine, his work was based on an existing innoculation technique brought back from Turkey by Lady Mary Montague. It was Jenner, however, that invented the term “vaccination”
Spray-on-skin: Fiona Wood (Australia) developed this for burn victims
Structure of DNA: Rosalind Franklin (UK), Francis Crick (UK), James Watson (USA)
Surgery: Abu Al-Qasim al-Zahrawi (Andalusia) is considered the father of modern surgery
Tuberculosis vaccine: Albert Calmette, Charles Guerin (France)
Viagra: Ian Osterloh (UK) – OK, not that significant, but interesting
Xray: Wilhelm Konrad Roentgen (Germany)

What a numskull. Most of these innovations/discoveries occure long before any of these nations adopted socialized medicine. When do you imagine the small pox vaccine was invented? Penicillin? the Xray?

You are truly stupid.

Socialized medicine in Germany dates back to 1883. The x-ray was invented in Germany in 1895. The fetal monitor was invented in Germany in 1958.

Socialized medicine in Australia dates back to 1984. Spray on skin was invented in Australia in 1992.

Socialized medicine in Sweden dates back to 1955. The implantable pacemaker was invented in Sweden in 1958.

Those are just a few I looked at.

 

[bripat9643]

Hahahaahahahah. I'm glad I quoted it before you can edit and pretend like you didn't say it.

You've lost. On this message board but likely in life as well.

I lost because you're an imbecile who doesn't know what socialism is?

Why don't you explain to us how you determine when a country has adopted socialism.

LOL, I'm still laughing that you actually said that anytime there are laws that regulate industry then it is socialism. So by your definition, anything that isn't unfettered, unregulated capitalism is socialism.

It's a step in the direction of socialism, moron. The more regulations, the closer you are to socialism. When the regulations are so numerous that government is effectively making all the business decisions, then you have socialism of the Nazi variety. That describes Obamacare to a 'T.'

 

[RDD_1210]

I lost because you're an imbecile who doesn't know what socialism is?

Why don't you explain to us how you determine when a country has adopted socialism.

LOL, I'm still laughing that you actually said that anytime there are laws that regulate industry then it is socialism. So by your definition, anything that isn't unfettered, unregulated capitalism is socialism.

Proving your status as chief moron of this board, yet again.

He didnt say that laws that regulate are socialism. No spin on your part could make that happen. the fact you think he wrote that indicates your inferior intelligence.

"Laws that regulate industry are a form of socialism".

HAhahahahahahaha

 

[rdean]

Impoverish your clients and without sales, you have no business.

 

[RDD_1210]

I lost because you're an imbecile who doesn't know what socialism is?

Why don't you explain to us how you determine when a country has adopted socialism.

LOL, I'm still laughing that you actually said that anytime there are laws that regulate industry then it is socialism. So by your definition, anything that isn't unfettered, unregulated capitalism is socialism.

It's a step in the direction of socialism, moron. The more regulations, the closer you are to socialism. When the regulations are so numerous that government is effectively making all the business decisions, then you have socialism of the Nazi variety. That describes Obamacare to a 'T.'

So every president before Obama oversaw a socialist healthcare system as well...according to you. But Obama stepped it up from Socialism to Nazism, right?

 

[The Rabbi]

LOL, I'm still laughing that you actually said that anytime there are laws that regulate industry then it is socialism. So by your definition, anything that isn't unfettered, unregulated capitalism is socialism.

Proving your status as chief moron of this board, yet again.

He didnt say that laws that regulate are socialism. No spin on your part could make that happen. the fact you think he wrote that indicates your inferior intelligence.

"Laws that regulate industry are a form of socialism".

HAhahahahahahaha

You see the difference between what he wrote and what you wrote, right? I'll bet not.

 

[bripat9643]

Since this thread was DOA when it claimed Obamacare is socialized medicine, this list is overkill, but here's a list of medical inventions and their country of origin.

Adrenaline (epinephrine): Isolated and used to treat asthma by Jokichi Takamine (Japan)
Artificial heart: Paul Winchell (USA) holds the original patent for an implantable artificial heart. Oddly enough, he was also an accomplished ventriloquist who was the voice of Tigger in Disney’s Winnie the Pooh
Aspirin: Felix Hoffmann (Germany) – he also synthesized heroin
Beta blockers: Sir James Black (UK) made a number of contributions to understanding of cardiology for which he was awarded the Nobel Prize in 1988. Among his inventions was the first of a class of beta blocker drugs which among other things offers cardioprotection after a heart attack and reduce high blood pressure.
Bone marrow compatibility test: Barbara Bain (Canada)
Cardiac pacemaker: The idea for the pacemaker came from J A McWilliam in 1889 (UK). The first external pacemaker was designed and built by John Hopps (Canada). Earl Bakken (USA) developed the first externally wearable pacemaker. The first implantable pacemaker was designed by Rune Elmqvist and Ake Senning (Sweden).
CAT scan: Godfrey Hounsfield (UK), Alban Cormac (USA, born in South Africa)
Clinical trials: Austin Bradford Hill (UK)
Contact lenses: Leonardo Da Vinci (Italy)
Electrocardiogram (ECG or EKG) – Justin Ho (UK). The first portable EKG was developed by Taro Takemi (Japan)
Fetal monitor: K. Hammacher (Germany), Hewlett-Packard Co (USA, Germany)
Heart lung machine: John Heysham Gibbon (USA)
Heart transplant: Christiaan Barnard (South Africa) successfully transplanted the first human heart from one person to another
Helicobacter pylori: Barry Marshall and Robin Warren (Australia) discovered this bacterium which causes stomach ulcers
Hepatitis B vaccine: Baruch Blumberg, Irving Millman (USA)
HIV: Luc Montagnier (France) is credited for discovering HIV as the cause for AIDS
In vitro fertilization: John Rock (USA) extracted the first intact fertilized human egg. Carl Wood (Australia) pioneered the use of frozen embryos. Patrick Steptoe and Robert Edwards (UK) carried out the first successful procedure resulting in the birth of a healthy infant, Louise Brown.
Insulin: Isolated by Frederick Banting, Charles Best, J.J.R. Macleod, James Collip (Canada). They also pioneered the process for using insulin to treat diabetes
Medical ultrasound: Karl Theodore Dussik (Austria), Ian Donald (Scotland)
Nuclear medicine: Taro Tekemi (Japan)
Pasteurization: Developed by Louis Pasteur (France) as a method to kill germs. Pasteur also developed the germ theory of infection
Penicillin: Alexander Fleming (Scotland)
Polio vaccine: Jonas Salk, Albert Sabin (USA)
Smallpox vaccine: Although Edward Jenner (UK) is credited with developing the vaccine, his work was based on an existing innoculation technique brought back from Turkey by Lady Mary Montague. It was Jenner, however, that invented the term “vaccination”
Spray-on-skin: Fiona Wood (Australia) developed this for burn victims
Structure of DNA: Rosalind Franklin (UK), Francis Crick (UK), James Watson (USA)
Surgery: Abu Al-Qasim al-Zahrawi (Andalusia) is considered the father of modern surgery
Tuberculosis vaccine: Albert Calmette, Charles Guerin (France)
Viagra: Ian Osterloh (UK) – OK, not that significant, but interesting
Xray: Wilhelm Konrad Roentgen (Germany)

What a numskull. Most of these innovations/discoveries occure long before any of these nations adopted socialized medicine. When do you imagine the small pox vaccine was invented? Penicillin? the Xray?

You are truly stupid.

Socialized medicine in Germany dates back to 1883. The x-ray was invented in Germany in 1895. The fetal monitor was invented in Germany in 1958.

Socialized medicine in Australia dates back to 1984. Spray on skin was invented in Australia in 1992.

Socialized medicine in Sweden dates back to 1955. The implantable pacemaker was invented in Sweden in 1958.

Those are just a few I looked at.

The first viable implantable pacemaker was invented in the United States. So out of your entire list you have three examples that were invented in Socialist countries. In reality, the invention of X-rays doesn't count because they weren't discovered by someone doing medical research. They were discovered by a physicist. So you actually have two medical innovations that were invented in socialist countries out of your entire bogus list.

Furthermore, the "socialized medicine" passed in Germany in 1883 was less socialized than medicine in the United States before the passage of Obamacare. So that leaves you with one medical innovation invented in a country with "socialized medicine."

Healthcare in Germany - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Germany has the world's oldest national social health insurance system,[1] with origins dating back to Otto von Bismarck's social legislation, which included the Health Insurance Bill of 1883, Accident Insurance Bill of 1884, and Old Age and Disability Insurance Bill of 1889. As mandatory health insurance, it originally applied only to low-income workers and certain government employees, but has gradually expanded to cover the great majority of the population.[8]

A Short History Of The Pacemaker | Components content from Electronic Design

The advantages of pacing the heart electrically were well known as far back as the early 1900s. Early pacemakers were large, bulky external devices that used vacuum tubes, relied on external ac power, and were frequently too traumatic for young patients. It wasn't until shortly after Medtronic was founded that significant progress began.

Earl Bakken and his brother-in-law Palmer Hermundslie formed Medtronic in April 1949 as a medical equipment service company. Later, it manufactured some of the equipment. Both men conceived the idea of the cardiac pacemaker while Bakken was working part time at Northwestern Hospital in Minneapolis, Minn. There, Bakken had become acquainted with pioneer open-heart surgeon Dr. C. Walton Lillehei of the University of Minnesota, where Bakken was also studying electrical engineering during the 1950s.

Lillehei was looking for a better pacemaking system. One day when Bakken was visiting the hospital, a storm knocked out power, and a patient hooked up to an external pacemaker died. Bakken was asked if he could build a better and more reliable pacemaker. He had read an article in Popular Electronics on how to build a metronome out of newly available devices known as transistors. He proceeded to build such a circuit in a box the size of a paperback book. This external pacemaker with a 9-V output was tried at the hospital on patients, and the results were successful. This was the genesis of Medtronic's external pacemaker.

Elsewhere, others like Siemens in Europe were working on an implantable pacemaker with rechargeable batteries. But these efforts did not bear fruit, since the battery lifetime was only a few hours.

It wasn't until late 1959, when Dr. William Chardack and Dr. Andrew Gage at the Veterans Administration Hospital in Buffalo, N.Y., working with electrical engineer William Greatbatch, came up with a viable implantable pacemaker using primary cells as a power source. It was known as the Chardack-Greatbatch implantable pacemaker. The National Society of Professional Engineers (NSPE) recognized Greatbach's work, the implantable pacemaker (patent number 3,057,356), in 1983 as "one of two major engineering contributions to society during the past 50 years." Greatbatch, through his company Greatbatch Enterprises, licensed his patent to Medtronic in 1961. The company now produces most of the world's lithium batteries used in many current pacemakers and defibrillators.

 

[bripat9643]

Proving your status as chief moron of this board, yet again.

He didnt say that laws that regulate are socialism. No spin on your part could make that happen. the fact you think he wrote that indicates your inferior intelligence.

"Laws that regulate industry are a form of socialism".

HAhahahahahahaha

You see the difference between what he wrote and what you wrote, right? I'll bet not.

To admit that would take honesty, a character trait he lacks.

 

[RDD_1210]

Proving your status as chief moron of this board, yet again.

He didnt say that laws that regulate are socialism. No spin on your part could make that happen. the fact you think he wrote that indicates your inferior intelligence.

"Laws that regulate industry are a form of socialism".

HAhahahahahahaha

You see the difference between what he wrote and what you wrote, right? I'll bet not.

When all else fails, play semantics games! Weeeeeee!!!!

 

[RDD_1210]

"Laws that regulate industry are a form of socialism".

HAhahahahahahaha

You see the difference between what he wrote and what you wrote, right? I'll bet not.

To admit that would take honesty, a character trait he lacks.

I just wonder since we have been living under socialist presidents all of these years (according to you) why are you just complaining about it now.

 

[The Rabbi]

"Laws that regulate industry are a form of socialism".

HAhahahahahahaha

You see the difference between what he wrote and what you wrote, right? I'll bet not.

When all else fails, play semantics games! Weeeeeee!!!!

You understand it is not "semantics" but there are crucial differences between what he wrote and what you think he wrote, right? A person who dismisses as 'semantics" important differences in meaning between two things does not understand the word "semantics' to begin with.

 

[bripat9643]

"Laws that regulate industry are a form of socialism".

HAhahahahahahaha

You see the difference between what he wrote and what you wrote, right? I'll bet not.

When all else fails, play semantics games! Weeeeeee!!!!

You mean when all else fails, lie.

That's your strategy.

 

[kiwiman127]

Other countries contribute to advancements in medicine.
Back in 2001 I had an operation for a compressed spine. It had gotten to advanced stages due to the fact that my healthcare insurance company refused to let me have an MRI and wanted me to live with the misdiagnoses that I received.
Finally after getting a lawyer involved I got my MRI. Because of the advanced stage I was immediately scheduled for surgery. Again, because of the stage I was in the Orthopedic Surgeon decided to use a technique that was developed in Japan. Fortunately, the surgery prevented me from becoming paraplegic which I came very close to thanks to an insurance company that kept holding off in granting me the much needed MRI.
Japan's per capita cost for healthcare is about 25% of what the cost is in the US.
My question is why should people and businesses pay for the cost of medical advancements by paying the most outrageous cost for medicine in the entire world? Because we are suckers as the rest of the world benefits from the US catering too much to the healthcare industry.
For those who want to continue this bullshit, economist are telling us that the US economy can't these sustain this pattern of skyrocketing healthcare costs.
Health Care Costs Are Killing Us
Health Care Costs Are Killing Us | RAND

 

[The Rabbi]

Other countries contribute to advancements in medicine.
Back in 2001 I had an operation for a compressed spine. It had gotten to advanced stages due to the fact that my healthcare insurance company refused to let me have an MRI and wanted me to live with the misdiagnoses that I received.
Finally after getting a lawyer involved I got my MRI. Because of the advanced stage I was immediately scheduled for surgery. Again, because of the stage I was in the Orthopedic Surgeon decided to use a technique that was developed in Japan. Fortunately, the surgery prevented me from becoming paraplegic which I came very close to thanks to an insurance company that kept holding off in granting me the much needed MRI.
Japan's per capita cost for healthcare is about 25% of what the cost is in the US.
My question is why should people and businesses pay for the cost of medical advancements by paying the most outrageous cost for medicine in the entire world? Because we are suckers as the rest of the world benefits from the US catering too much to the healthcare industry.
For those who want to continue this bullshit, economist are telling us that the US economy can't these sustain this pattern of skyrocketing healthcare costs.
Health Care Costs Are Killing Us
Health Care Costs Are Killing Us | RAND

What point are you trying to make here?

The truth is that the vast majority of advances, esp drug development, happens in the US precisely because the innovators can get decently paid for their work. With no pay there is no incentive for improvement.
One would think this is so glaringly obvious only the most obtuse would get it. Then you read back through the thread.

 

[RDD_1210]

You see the difference between what he wrote and what you wrote, right? I'll bet not.

When all else fails, play semantics games! Weeeeeee!!!!

You understand it is not "semantics" but there are crucial differences between what he wrote and what you think he wrote, right? A person who dismisses as 'semantics" important differences in meaning between two things does not understand the word "semantics' to begin with.

LOL, your favorite tactic is playing semantics games and then bailing on the thread. There is no difference in what he wrote and what I said in response. Feel free to point it out though.

But I know your move will be to play the whole "If you don't know why you're wrong, I'm certainly not going to do your work for you" routine.

Go ahead.....