Does that mean you will come around with what they are saying about the Russians being behind the hacking and that there is no evidence Obama had Trump wiretapped?
Key Democratic Officials Now Warning Base Not to Expect Evidence of Trump/Russia Collusion
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Look at all the stories, including the proliferation of false stories and what people believe vs facts.
"The Russians made voters vote for Trump" is the most sorry ass and lame excuse for losing an election EVAH."
Yeah it kinda is. Can you imagine if somebody had actually said that?
But that's OK ---- we can just play "let's pretend".
Grow up already.
I'm looking at this headline right now. Calling Trump voters Putins pawns.
Nice job, Donald Trump voters! You became Vladimir Putin’s pawns
I'm looking at the same headline, and I just read the article it links to. NOWHERE does it say or imply anything about Rump and Poutine "colluding".
However it is a great article for what it actually does say outside of your "let's pretend" fantasy. You know, stuff that can actually be cut and pasted rather than just hung up there and implied about ----
>> Regarding the Russia story, the 4,000-pound gorilla in the room is this: Russia’s cyberattacks worked only because gullible Trump voters and a complicit press allowed them to. If the American people hadn’t taken the bait, the alleged bombshells in the Democratic Party’s internal emails would have landed with a thud rather than being reported nearly every day with screamer headlines and social-media outrage, effectively torpedoing Hillary Clinton’s campaign. <<
ZERO about that plan requires Rump to participate in it. Think about it --- if you're a Russian dick-tater wanting to influence the US election so that you can get the guy you can control as a puppet to win it ---- would you want a doofus like Donald T. Rump working with you?
Hardly. Puppets have strings for a reason. Poutine wants Rump in there because he's dim enough to be controlled. And probably because Poutine has dirt on him that he can use as blackmail, and I ain't talking about the Ritz Carlton Moscow, more likely some thing or things in those elusive tax returns. Hillary --- well apparently Poutine didn't think he could control her. Imagine that.
Thanks for that article. It's chock full of other good stuff that isn't on the topic here but will be useful elsewhere. I'll send you royalty check. And since you're in Canada it'll be in Loonies.
you've tried that already, several times...so far, it ain't working to change the subject....
but as the saying goes:
If you don't succeed, try, try, again!
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The Russians did that? Are you claiming the WSJ and the NYT are controlled by the Russians?
Are you deliberately misrepresenting things?
Russian propaganda effort helped spread ‘fake news’ during election, experts say
“They want to essentially erode faith in the U.S. government or U.S. government interests,” said Clint Watts, a fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute who along with two other researchers has tracked Russian propaganda since 2014. “This was their standard mode during the Cold War. The problem is that this was hard to do before social media.”
...The Russian campaign during this election season, researchers from both groups say, worked by harnessing the online world’s fascination with “buzzy” content that is surprising and emotionally potent, and tracks with popular conspiracy theories about how secret forces dictate world events.
Some of these stories originated with RT and Sputnik, state-funded Russian information services that mimic the style and tone of independent news organizations yet sometimes include false and misleading stories in their reports, the researchers say. On other occasions, RT, Sputnik and other Russian sites used social-media accounts to amplify misleading stories already circulating online, causing news algorithms to identify them as “trending” topics that sometimes prompted coverage from mainstream American news organizations.
The speed and coordination of these efforts allowed Russian-backed phony news to outcompete traditional news organizations for audience. Some of the first and most alarming tweets after Clinton fell ill at a Sept. 11 memorial event in New York, for example, came from Russian botnets and trolls, researchers found. (She was treated for pneumonia and returned to the campaign trail a few days later.)
This followed a spate of other misleading stories in August about Clinton’s supposedly troubled health. The Daily Beast debunked a particularly widely read piece in an article that reached 1,700 Facebook accounts and was read online more than 30,000 times. But the PropOrNot researchers found that the version supported by Russian propaganda reached 90,000 Facebook accounts and was read more than 8 million times. The researchers said the true Daily Beast story was like “shouting into a hurricane” of false stories supported by the Russians.
This propaganda machinery also helped push the phony story that an anti-Trump protester was paid thousands of dollars to participate in demonstrations, an allegation initially made by a self-described satirist and later repeated publicly by the Trump campaign. Researchers from both groups traced a variety of other false stories — fake reports of a coup launched at Incirlik Air Base in Turkey and stories about how the United States was going to conduct a military attack and blame it on Russia — to Russian propaganda efforts.
The issue is less that it's the Russians doing this - frankly, anyone could - but that is is being done and we are utterly unequipt to counter it and instead just deny it because acknowledging these things casts a shadow on the validity of Trump's election. But it's not going to change anything - Trump was elected freely and fairly in an election largely free of fraud. But refusing to acknowledge it's impact means leaving the door open to even worse in the next election cycle.
“They want to essentially erode faith in the U.S. government or U.S. government interests,” said Clint Watts, a fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute who along with two other researchers has tracked Russian propaganda since 2014. “This was their standard mode during the Cold War. The problem is that this was hard to do before social media.”
...The Russian campaign during this election season, researchers from both groups say, worked by harnessing the online world’s fascination with “buzzy” content that is surprising and emotionally potent, and tracks with popular conspiracy theories about how secret forces dictate world events.
Some of these stories originated with RT and Sputnik, state-funded Russian information services that mimic the style and tone of independent news organizations yet sometimes include false and misleading stories in their reports, the researchers say. On other occasions, RT, Sputnik and other Russian sites used social-media accounts to amplify misleading stories already circulating online, causing news algorithms to identify them as “trending” topics that sometimes prompted coverage from mainstream American news organizations.
The speed and coordination of these efforts allowed Russian-backed phony news to outcompete traditional news organizations for audience. Some of the first and most alarming tweets after Clinton fell ill at a Sept. 11 memorial event in New York, for example, came from Russian botnets and trolls, researchers found. (She was treated for pneumonia and returned to the campaign trail a few days later.)
This followed a spate of other misleading stories in August about Clinton’s supposedly troubled health. The Daily Beast debunked a particularly widely read piece in an article that reached 1,700 Facebook accounts and was read online more than 30,000 times. But the PropOrNot researchers found that the version supported by Russian propaganda reached 90,000 Facebook accounts and was read more than 8 million times. The researchers said the true Daily Beast story was like “shouting into a hurricane” of false stories supported by the Russians.
This propaganda machinery also helped push the phony story that an anti-Trump protester was paid thousands of dollars to participate in demonstrations, an allegation initially made by a self-described satirist and later repeated publicly by the Trump campaign. Researchers from both groups traced a variety of other false stories — fake reports of a coup launched at Incirlik Air Base in Turkey and stories about how the United States was going to conduct a military attack and blame it on Russia — to Russian propaganda efforts.
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"This isn't about alleged Trump campaign collusion or vote tampering. It's about a foreign government using illegal hacking in an attempt to influence an election..."
What a way to change horses mid-stream!
All we've heard for 2 months is that the Trump campaign colluded with Russian to win the election (remember when the D's talking point that "Trump told Russia to hack Hillary's server"?) Now it has become pretty apparent that there was no collusion with Russia, it's become "Oh, No, it's not about Trump!"
We told the Libs all along that there was no evidence of collusion. But all we heard out of their mouths was "Traitor!", "Impeachment!", ""Prison!", "Death Penalty!", "Putin's *****"!, "Russian Pawn!", etc. Now all of a sudden... "This isn't about Trump!"
Do you guys really think that this kind of rhetoric is going to endear you with the American electorate?
Give me a break! SM F'n H...
Give me a break indeed. You can't untangle it all from the initial Russian hacking and their pre-election activities. THAT has always been my main focus. Should potential collussion with Trump and Russia be investigated? YOU BET. There is clear evidence that Trump, various campaign officials and people now on his administration had contacts with Russia. Looking at the big picture, it would be idiocy to not investigate. And if there is no evidence - then move on.
Pardon me, but I can't take anything seriously from the people that pushed Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi and Hillary's Emails endlessly. Hypocrisy.
Uh --- REEEaaly. Links?
"Hiya!"
Sorry, making up a strawman after the fact is not in the world of "reality".
Actually we member when Rump said exactly that.
---- that's not "D's" [sic] -- that's Rump in all his orange. On videotape. Video IS reality.
Strawman fall down, go boom. Who saw that coming.
Of course you did.
Yes, since General Flynn was caught lying about his conversation with the RussianAmbassador about Sanctions, and resigned, people had another dot out there in the connect the dots game that gave us more questions on whether the Trump campaign was colluding or coordinating their campaign with the Russians and the leaks of the DNC and Podesta and with the Russian propaganda put out there to tie in with the leak dissemination material ....
But that IS NOT how these investigations began, they began and will end on, the Russians/Kremlin Interfering with our sacred Election process....
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No. I have a lot of things to do. Jacking with a mod ain't on that list.
I am looking for the Russians. What fake news did the Russians use to sow chaos and mistrust?
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From the same article:
One of them was PropOrNot, a group that insists on public anonymity, which issued a report identifying more than 200 websites that, in its view, wittingly or unwittingly published or echoed Russian propaganda. A number of those sites have objected to being included on PropOrNot’s list, and some of the sites, as well as others not on the list, have publicly challenged the group’s methodology and conclusions. The Post, which did not name any of the sites, does not itself vouch for the validity of PropOrNot’s findings regarding any individual media outlet, nor did the article purport to do so. Since publication of The Post’s story, PropOrNot has removed some sites from its list.
tinydancer
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The Ukrainians specifically lied about Manafort and lied about investigating him for corruption.
Politico did an awesome random act of journalism in their investigation about the Ukrainians.
Oddly enough I haven't seen many D's decrying the Ukrainian intervention in the election.
Politico did an awesome random act of journalism in their investigation about the Ukrainians.
Oddly enough I haven't seen many D's decrying the Ukrainian intervention in the election.
Pizzagate, fake stories about Clintons health, brain injury, mental state, ISIS calls for American Muslims to support Hillary, Pope Francis endorses Trump...
Various articles on it:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ration-boosted-fake-news-phenomenon/94424206/
Russian propaganda effort helped spread ‘fake news’ during election, experts say
The reality behind Russia's fake news - CNNPolitics.com
Why Russia wants the U.S. to believe the election was hacked — NOVA Next | PBS
Hillary Clinton health: Debunking the conspiracy theories - CNNPolitics.com
And?
Did the Ukranians hack us?
Tresha91203
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Do you believe Russia should be punished somehow while we aren't? Is it wrong when they do it but ok when we do it? Are we going to stop? We aren't. I really don't see how we can be so outraged or pretend this is anything new or unexpected. I don't want to set a precedent that will be used against us. I know we won't stop, so eventually, we are going to be bitten by this as well IMO.
Do you remember the political fall out and embarressment when Snowden's data dump revealed how we spied on allies (and this going back BEFORE Obama)? Everyone knows everyone spies and meddles. When it becomes evident - like it did with Snowden, it provides political ammo for individual countries as well as extreme embarressment. And some of those countries did punish us to the extent they could - even if it was mostly public hazing.
On the other hand - Russia has upped the ante in my opinion. So my question is at what point does it become damaging enough you have to confront it? Social media has hugely changed the playing field for this stuff.
Everyone does it...
Everyone tries to gain nuclear capability - why should we punish them?
Everyone hacks - why should we punish them? We punished China, but you're saying don't do it to Russia?
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Uh --- REEEaaly. Links?
"Hiya!"
Sorry, making up a strawman after the fact is not in the world of "reality".
Actually we member when Rump said exactly that.
---- that's not "D's" [sic] -- that's Rump in all his orange. On videotape. Video IS reality.
Strawman fall down, go boom. Who saw that coming.
Of course you did.
"Uh --- REEEaaly. Links?"
What? Did you not read the LWNJ posts on USMB? My entire post was about what we heard here, including from you.
"Actually we member [sic] when Rump said exactly that."
Please point out just exactly where he told Russia to hack Hillary's server. "if you happen to find" does not an order make. If I asked you that IF you happen to go to the kitchen, would you get me a beer is NOT telling you to get off of your fat ass and go to the kitchen and get me a beer.
If anything he was suggesting that the Russians had already hacked the servers and to release the emails.
Also, a simple question. Just exactly who, or what, did you "member when Rump said exactly that"? Did you cuddle and have a smoke afterwards?
"Strawman fall down, go boom. Who saw that coming."
'No Evidence of Collusion' Between Trump Campaign, Russia: Intelligence Committee Chairman
House Intelligence chairman: 'No evidence of collusion' between Trump camp, Russia
http://thehill.com/policy/national-...-evidence-of-collusion-between-trump-camp-and
"Of course you did."
See first response.
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