Ken Burns Roosevelt Documentary

[Unkotare]

Sniveling about it from hindsight is just stupid hubris.

The FACT is that no Japanese American was ever convicted of treason, espionage, or sabotage throughout WWII. Fact.


And you don't seem to understand what the word "hubris" means.

That's because they were monitored. Thank you, FDR!

You never answered my question about whether you think every American of German or Italian descent should have also been thrown into concentration camps. Well? How about we end ALL crime right now by throwing every single American into concentration camps? That fits your 'reasoning,' doesn't it professor?

 

[Picaro]

. Interment was a racial issue and certainly a black mark on the Roosevelt administration.

As explained in the article I posted, it was about nationality, not race. Some 30%-40% of the Japanese population here weren't American citizens, and also a lot of people were arrested and kept off the streets; Farrell Dobbs, the Socialist candidate for President, for one, was sent to prison under FDR's wartime law enforcement efforts.

 

[Picaro]

That's because they were monitored. Thank you, FDR!

Indeed.

 

[Synthaholic]

Sniveling about it from hindsight is just stupid hubris.

The FACT is that no Japanese American was ever convicted of treason, espionage, or sabotage throughout WWII. Fact.


And you don't seem to understand what the word "hubris" means.

That's because they were monitored. Thank you, FDR!

You never answered my question about whether you think every American of German or Italian descent should have also been thrown into concentration camps. Well? How about we end ALL crime right now by throwing every single American into concentration camps? That fits your 'reasoning,' doesn't it professor?

Ones just off the boat? Sure, to be safe.

 

[Synthaholic]

I'm so glad to see that @PoliticalChic has slithered away from this thread rather than answer my simple question, waaaay back in post #222, and asked repeatedly since:

Which countries did NOT recognize Stalin as the leader of the USSR?

 

[BullKurtz]

I'm so glad to see that @PoliticalChic has slithered away from this thread rather than answer my simple question, waaaay back in post #222, and asked repeatedly since:

Why do you losers always claim somebody ran or "slithered away" from your idiocy? Can't you fathom that you're rude, boring, and a liar? Why we humor you as long as we do is what you should be wondering.

 

[Picaro]

Sniveling about it from hindsight is just stupid hubris.

The FACT is that no Japanese American was ever convicted of treason, espionage, or sabotage throughout WWII. Fact.


And you don't seem to understand what the word "hubris" means.

That's because they were monitored. Thank you, FDR!

You never answered my question about whether you think every American of German or Italian descent should have also been thrown into concentration camps. Well? How about we end ALL crime right now by throwing every single American into concentration camps? That fits your 'reasoning,' doesn't it professor?

Ones just off the boat? Sure, to be safe.

Don't feed the trolls. PC and Unk like to run up 10 to 20 pages of worthless juvenile gibberish; they get little attention from adults or their peers in real life.

 

[Flopper]

. Interment was a racial issue and certainly a black mark on the Roosevelt administration.

As explained in the article I posted, it was about nationality, not race. Some 30%-40% of the Japanese population here weren't American citizens, and also a lot of people were arrested and kept off the streets; Farrell Dobbs, the Socialist candidate for President, for one, was sent to prison under FDR's wartime law enforcement efforts.

I don't agree. Race made possible interment and was a motivating factor. Racial and cultural difference made Japanese Americans an easy target. Chinese Americans fearing being caught up in the hysteria wore buttons proclaiming that they weren't Japanese. German Americans blended into American culture. Rooting them out would have been very difficult, so we pursued the easy target, Japanese Americans.

When interment started in 1942, the wheels of propaganda were well in motion. Pictures of slant-eyed devils bayoneting women and children, and tramping on the American flag were appearing in every newspaper in the country. The administration was consumed with the war effort and didn't want to expend valuable resources on something so unpopular as protecting the rights of Japanese Americans. .

 

[Synthaholic]

I'm so glad to see that @PoliticalChic has slithered away from this thread rather than answer my simple question, waaaay back in post #222, and asked repeatedly since:

Why do you losers always claim somebody ran or "slithered away" from your idiocy? Can't you fathom that you're rude, boring, and a liar? Why we humor you as long as we do is what you should be wondering.

If you can explain what is idiocy about the question I've asked her repeatedly over the past 300+ posts then I'll reconsider.

 

[Synthaholic]

. Interment was a racial issue and certainly a black mark on the Roosevelt administration.

As explained in the article I posted, it was about nationality, not race. Some 30%-40% of the Japanese population here weren't American citizens, and also a lot of people were arrested and kept off the streets; Farrell Dobbs, the Socialist candidate for President, for one, was sent to prison under FDR's wartime law enforcement efforts.

I don't agree. Race made possible interment and was a motivating factor. Racial and cultural difference made Japanese Americans an easy target. Chinese Americans fearing being caught up in the hysteria wore buttons proclaiming that they weren't Japanese. German Americans blended into American culture. Rooting them out would have been very difficult, so we pursued the easy target, Japanese Americans.

When interment started in 1942, the wheels of propaganda were well in motion. Pictures of slant-eyed devils bayoneting women and children, and tramping on the American flag were appearing in every newspaper in the country. The administration was consumed with the war effort and didn't want to expend valuable resources on something so unpopular as protecting the rights of Japanese Americans. .

I agree, but I always try to see things from the perspective of the times that it occurred.

I've caught a shitload of grief over the years on various message boards for 'defending' the Turkish actions against the Armenians in 1917-1918. Nowadays it's called a genocide, and by today's standards it is a genocide. By 1917 standards that action didn't carry the same moral baggage, and besides, it was carried out by the Ottoman government, and the Pashas. Calls for Türkiye to apologize are out of line, since the country of Türkiye did not exist until 1923.

 

[Mertex]

No [sic] needed. That's what they were back then.

There is just no limit to how stupid you can get, is there?

There is a limit to how much energy I want to expend when dealing with your retarded posts, yes.

I tend to punch down and not try very hard in answering you. Anything more is just wasted.

Seems like Unko's only ability is to attack and insult people. He must be so limited in his knowledge and ability to express himself, ergo the attacks. Pity.

 

[BullKurtz]

. Interment was a racial issue and certainly a black mark on the Roosevelt administration.

As explained in the article I posted, it was about nationality, not race. Some 30%-40% of the Japanese population here weren't American citizens, and also a lot of people were arrested and kept off the streets; Farrell Dobbs, the Socialist candidate for President, for one, was sent to prison under FDR's wartime law enforcement efforts.

I don't agree. Race made possible interment and was a motivating factor. Racial and cultural difference made Japanese Americans an easy target. Chinese Americans fearing being caught up in the hysteria wore buttons proclaiming that they weren't Japanese. German Americans blended into American culture. Rooting them out would have been very difficult, so we pursued the easy target, Japanese Americans.

When interment started in 1942, the wheels of propaganda were well in motion. Pictures of slant-eyed devils bayoneting women and children, and tramping on the American flag were appearing in every newspaper in the country. The administration was consumed with the war effort and didn't want to expend valuable resources on something so unpopular as protecting the rights of Japanese Americans. .

German Americans didn't believe Hitler was a deity like the japs thought Hirohito was.....they couldn't be trusted not to sabotage the Pacific coast ports, roads and bridges. A good many of those taken away would have.

 

[Picaro]

. Interment was a racial issue and certainly a black mark on the Roosevelt administration.

Not at all; the relocation was about nationality, from a group who were avidly cheering their soldiers and the atrocities being committed by the Japanese armies for years before they attacked Pearl. They don't make good subjects for some 'Teachable PC Moment' wherein we all wet ourselves over past actions and slit our wrists. They were already very unpopular long before WW II propaganda came along, especially after Nanking.

I don't agree. Race made possible interment and was a motivating factor. Racial and cultural difference made Japanese Americans an easy target. Chinese Americans fearing being caught up in the hysteria wore buttons proclaiming that they weren't Japanese. German Americans blended into American culture. Rooting them out would have been very difficult, so we pursued the easy target, Japanese Americans.

Germans and Italians were arrested in WW II, Germans were arrested in WW I. There is nothing 'special' about the Japanese, except their infamous fanaticism and extreme racism, as another poster pointed out.

When interment started in 1942, the wheels of propaganda were well in motion. Pictures of slant-eyed devils bayoneting women and children, and tramping on the American flag were appearing in every newspaper in the country. The administration was consumed with the war effort and didn't want to expend valuable resources on something so unpopular as protecting the rights of Japanese Americans. .

They didn't have the resources to run around holding sensitivity seminars and group hugs and the like. Decisions had to be made quickly, and they were. Unlike the Germans here, the possibility existed that the Japanese could invade the West Coast, or at least land agents that would be supported and hidden by Japanese Americans and Japanese citizens here, or so it was believed.Most Germans were not supporters of Hitler, also pointed out by another poster.

If the U.S. was so awfully racist and discriminatory as modern hippies want us all to believe, they wouldn't have been here in the first place, nor would any other minorities. No tragic pictures and stories of minorities desperately fleeing the country on makeshift rafts and drowning, all that sort of stuff, just the opposite in fact.

 

[Picaro]

German Americans didn't believe Hitler was a deity like the japs thought Hirohito was.....they couldn't be trusted not to sabotage the Pacific coast ports, roads and bridges. A good many of those taken away would have.

Certainly early in the war there were enough who would have. The first Hawaiian Japanese that pilot ran into not only helped him but gathered guns and hostages with him.

 

[Camp]

home.comcast.net/~eo9066/1941/41-12/IA021.html

The Japanese seemed to have had a robust espionage and recruitment program in progress on the west coast.

 

[Flopper]

. Interment was a racial issue and certainly a black mark on the Roosevelt administration.

Not at all; the relocation was about nationality, from a group who were avidly cheering their soldiers and the atrocities being committed by the Japanese armies for years before they attacked Pearl. They don't make good subjects for some 'Teachable PC Moment' wherein we all wet ourselves over past actions and slit our wrists. They were already very unpopular long before WW II propaganda came along, especially after Nanking.

I don't agree. Race made possible interment and was a motivating factor. Racial and cultural difference made Japanese Americans an easy target. Chinese Americans fearing being caught up in the hysteria wore buttons proclaiming that they weren't Japanese. German Americans blended into American culture. Rooting them out would have been very difficult, so we pursued the easy target, Japanese Americans.

Germans and Italians were arrested in WW II, Germans were arrested in WW I. There is nothing 'special' about the Japanese, except their infamous fanaticism and extreme racism, as another poster pointed out.

When interment started in 1942, the wheels of propaganda were well in motion. Pictures of slant-eyed devils bayoneting women and children, and tramping on the American flag were appearing in every newspaper in the country. The administration was consumed with the war effort and didn't want to expend valuable resources on something so unpopular as protecting the rights of Japanese Americans. .

They didn't have the resources to run around holding sensitivity seminars and group hugs and the like. Decisions had to be made quickly, and they were. Unlike the Germans here, the possibility existed that the Japanese could invade the West Coast, or at least land agents that would be supported and hidden by Japanese Americans and Japanese citizens here, or so it was believed.Most Germans were not supporters of Hitler, also pointed out by another poster.

If the U.S. was so awfully racist and discriminatory as modern hippies want us all to believe, they wouldn't have been here in the first place, nor would any other minorities. No tragic pictures and stories of minorities desperately fleeing the country on makeshift rafts and drowning, all that sort of stuff, just the opposite in fact.

If the Japanese had been Caucasian there would probably been no internment because they would have blended into society just as the Germans did.

With the hatred for the Japanese and propaganda filling the newspapers, Japanese Americans would have been lynched just as Blacks were in South.

Although what Roosevelt did was wrong; it violated American citizen's freedom of speech, freedom of religion, right to assemble, freedom of the press, due process, and numerous other federal and state laws. However, it was necessary because the Japanese were going to become blood thirsty beasts, the hated of hated. Had he not rounded up Japanese Americans, he would faced severe criticism in Congress and across America which would have been a distraction from the war effort.

I think internment illustrates quite well Roosevelt's weakness or strength depending on your point of view. Roosevelt was not so much an idealist as he was a pragmatist. Interment was wrong. It goes against everything we stand for as nation, but it was necessary. Roosevelt's refusal to back the anti-lynching bills was morally wrong, but it was necessary to get the legislation through Congress needed to help millions of Americans.

 

[Unkotare]

Sniveling about it from hindsight is just stupid hubris.

The FACT is that no Japanese American was ever convicted of treason, espionage, or sabotage throughout WWII. Fact.


And you don't seem to understand what the word "hubris" means.

That's because they were monitored. Thank you, FDR!

You never answered my question about whether you think every American of German or Italian descent should have also been thrown into concentration camps. Well? How about we end ALL crime right now by throwing every single American into concentration camps? That fits your 'reasoning,' doesn't it professor?

Ones just off the boat? Sure, to be safe.

No, "ones" born in the US as well, you ignorant shit. You are as dumb as a rock.

 

[Unkotare]

German Americans didn't believe Hitler was a deity like the japs [sic] thought Hirohito was.....they couldn't be trusted not to sabotage the Pacific coast ports, roads and bridges. A good many of those taken away would have.

A number of German Americans did commit acts of treason, espionage, and sabotage - unlike any Japanese Americans. Who couldn't be trusted?

 

[Unkotare]

Unlike the Germans here, the possibility existed that the Japanese could invade the West Coast, or at least land agents that would be supported and hidden by Japanese Americans and Japanese citizens here, or so it was believed.Most Germans were not supporters of Hitler, also pointed out by another poster....

You are completely ignorant of history.

 

[Unkotare]

. Interment was a racial issue and certainly a black mark on the Roosevelt administration.

Not at all; the relocation was about nationality, from a group who were avidly cheering their soldiers and the atrocities being committed by the Japanese armies for years before they attacked Pearl. They don't make good subjects for some 'Teachable PC Moment' wherein we all wet ourselves over past actions and slit our wrists. They were already very unpopular long before WW II propaganda came along, especially after Nanking.

I don't agree. Race made possible interment and was a motivating factor. Racial and cultural difference made Japanese Americans an easy target. Chinese Americans fearing being caught up in the hysteria wore buttons proclaiming that they weren't Japanese. German Americans blended into American culture. Rooting them out would have been very difficult, so we pursued the easy target, Japanese Americans.

Germans and Italians were arrested in WW II, Germans were arrested in WW I. There is nothing 'special' about the Japanese, except their infamous fanaticism and extreme racism, as another poster pointed out.

When interment started in 1942, the wheels of propaganda were well in motion. Pictures of slant-eyed devils bayoneting women and children, and tramping on the American flag were appearing in every newspaper in the country. The administration was consumed with the war effort and didn't want to expend valuable resources on something so unpopular as protecting the rights of Japanese Americans. .

They didn't have the resources to run around holding sensitivity seminars and group hugs and the like. Decisions had to be made quickly, and they were. Unlike the Germans here, the possibility existed that the Japanese could invade the West Coast, or at least land agents that would be supported and hidden by Japanese Americans and Japanese citizens here, or so it was believed.Most Germans were not supporters of Hitler, also pointed out by another poster.

If the U.S. was so awfully racist and discriminatory as modern hippies want us all to believe, they wouldn't have been here in the first place, nor would any other minorities. No tragic pictures and stories of minorities desperately fleeing the country on makeshift rafts and drowning, all that sort of stuff, just the opposite in fact.

If the Japanese had been Caucasian there would probably been no internment because they would have blended into society just as the Germans did.

With the hatred for the Japanese and propaganda filling the newspapers, Japanese Americans would have been lynched just as Blacks were in South.

Although what Roosevelt did was wrong; it violated American citizen's freedom of speech, freedom of religion, right to assemble, freedom of the press, due process, and numerous other federal and state laws. However, it was necessary because the Japanese were going to become blood thirsty beasts, the hated of hated. Had he not rounded up Japanese Americans, he would faced severe criticism in Congress and across America which would have been a distraction from the war effort.

I think internment illustrates quite well Roosevelt's weakness or strength depending on your point of view. Roosevelt was not so much an idealist as he was a pragmatist. Interment was wrong. It goes against everything we stand for as nation, but it was necessary. Roosevelt's refusal to back the anti-lynching bills was morally wrong, but it was necessary to get the legislation through Congress needed to help millions of Americans.

It was not necessary or defensible on any level.