Ken Burns Roosevelt Documentary

[Discombobulated]

If you watched the series and noticed the absorbing way the writer, Geoffrey C. Ward, became emotional when mentioning first of FDR's affliction of polio at 39, there is a sound reason.

As this recent NYTimes piece notes, Ward has a special connection to FDR — Ward suffered from polio as a child and still wears braces as a result — that perhaps gave him a special affinity or empathy with the president.

The lead writer of the series is the redoubtable Geoffrey C. Ward, who is probably one of the most successful, most familiar, and least known American historians of recent decades. Ward, who apparently has never had an academic appointment in a university history department, has a real knack for writing history in a way that lots of people appreciate. A graduate of Oberlin and former editor of American Heritage, Ward has an impressive track record: 18 books (including a 1989 biography of FDR, A First-Class Temperament), a National Book Critics Circle Award, the Parkman Prize for history, seven Emmys, a bunch of other prizes and the “Friend of History Award” from the Organization of American Historians

PBS Geoffrey C. Ward Prof Chris Daly s Blog

Just another reason why no one should take this propaganda seriously.

 

[Unkotare]

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But, glory be, most or much of that prejudice was wiped out by the 442nd.

No it wasn't, you childish simpleton.

Well, lets just say the 442nd. wiped out prejudice for many, maybe not you, but for others. But I gotta admit your arguments are pretty overwhelming.

"
At a 1945 White House ceremony honoring the 100th/442nd, President Truman commended the Nisei soldiers on their wartime accomplishments. ``You fought not only the enemy, you fought prejudice, and you have won.''

But that wasn't entirely true. Even during training, the Nisei were scrutinized and treated with suspicion. At Camp Shelby, the Army searched their mail, confiscated their diaries and kept files documenting their daily activities."


"After the war, many Nisei veterans attended universities and colleges under the GI Bill. Some, like U.S. Senator Daniel K. Inouye, returned to Hawaii and rose to prominent positions in business and politics. But many of the Nisei were disheartened to find that despite their wartime efforts, prejudice still thrived.

After rejoining his family in Detroit, Shiro Takeshita moved back to the West Coast. In 1950, he and his new bride were looking at apartments in Alameda. At one building, the couple who managed the apartment peered at the Takeshitas from the window as they walked up to the door. ``It's been taken,'' the man said.

But the Takeshitas knew that was impossible. They had called just moments earlier.

Even in the years after the war, as anti-Japanese state and federal laws were gradually dismantled, Japanese Americans continued to feel the sharp sting of racism. Some Caucasian Americans, remembering Pearl Harbor, bore a deep hatred for anyone of Japanese ancestry. "

"In the living room of his home in the San Leandro hills, Takeshita admits he was disappointed at how little the racial climate changed in postwar America."

The Conflict Behind the Battle Lines The Japanese Americans who fought in World War II were engaged in another private battle against prejudice and misunderstandings

 

[Unkotare]

[
But, glory be, most or much of that prejudice was wiped out by the 442nd.

No it wasn't, you childish simpleton.

Well, lets just say the 442nd. wiped out prejudice for many, maybe not you, but for others. But I gotta admit your arguments are pretty overwhelming.

"During a stopover in San Francisco Inouye learned that being a war hero didn't exempt him from racial prejudice. "We don't cut Jap hair," a barber told him. "


Hawaii Senator Daniel K. Inouye 2 3 100 Most Inspiring Asian Americans of All Time Asian American Personalities GOLDSEA

 

[Unkotare]

The legacy of FDR was and is one of hope....

Oh yeah, the US CITIZENS in his concentration camps must have been brimming with "hope."

Safety first.

Pretending to be proud of it doesn't make your stupidity any less obvious and sad.

I'm happy that FDR put the safety of the country ahead of mollifying a subset of the population....

Because you were not part of the "subset," hypocrite. You clearly do not understand, nor deserve to live in, America.

 

[Synthaholic]

The legacy of FDR was and is one of hope....

Oh yeah, the US CITIZENS in his concentration camps must have been brimming with "hope."

Safety first.

Pretending to be proud of it doesn't make your stupidity any less obvious and sad.

I'm happy that FDR put the safety of the country ahead of mollifying a subset of the population....

Because you were not part of the "subset," hypocrite. You clearly do not understand, nor deserve to live in, America.

We weren't attacked by any Traitor Japs during that time, so it was the smart move.

 

[Flopper]

[
But, glory be, most or much of that prejudice was wiped out by the 442nd.

No it wasn't, you childish simpleton.

Well, lets just say the 442nd. wiped out prejudice for many, maybe not you, but for others. But I gotta admit your arguments are pretty overwhelming.

"
At a 1945 White House ceremony honoring the 100th/442nd, President Truman commended the Nisei soldiers on their wartime accomplishments. ``You fought not only the enemy, you fought prejudice, and you have won.''

But that wasn't entirely true. Even during training, the Nisei were scrutinized and treated with suspicion. At Camp Shelby, the Army searched their mail, confiscated their diaries and kept files documenting their daily activities."


"After the war, many Nisei veterans attended universities and colleges under the GI Bill. Some, like U.S. Senator Daniel K. Inouye, returned to Hawaii and rose to prominent positions in business and politics. But many of the Nisei were disheartened to find that despite their wartime efforts, prejudice still thrived.

After rejoining his family in Detroit, Shiro Takeshita moved back to the West Coast. In 1950, he and his new bride were looking at apartments in Alameda. At one building, the couple who managed the apartment peered at the Takeshitas from the window as they walked up to the door. ``It's been taken,'' the man said.

But the Takeshitas knew that was impossible. They had called just moments earlier.

Even in the years after the war, as anti-Japanese state and federal laws were gradually dismantled, Japanese Americans continued to feel the sharp sting of racism. Some Caucasian Americans, remembering Pearl Harbor, bore a deep hatred for anyone of Japanese ancestry. "

"In the living room of his home in the San Leandro hills, Takeshita admits he was disappointed at how little the racial climate changed in postwar America."

The Conflict Behind the Battle Lines The Japanese Americans who fought in World War II were engaged in another private battle against prejudice and misunderstandings

When a war ends, hostility ceases. The two nations are then on friendly terms and often become allies. However, the years of hate propaganda, the pain and suffering of the war lasted for years. In 1946, the Japanese face was hated just as much as it was in 1945.

 

[Unkotare]

The problem is that vile shits like FDR hated people - US CITIZENS INCLUDED - because of their face regardless of anything else. And some idiots here insist on worshiping the fucking scumbag.

 

[Unkotare]

Oh yeah, the US CITIZENS in his concentration camps must have been brimming with "hope."

Safety first.

Pretending to be proud of it doesn't make your stupidity any less obvious and sad.

I'm happy that FDR put the safety of the country ahead of mollifying a subset of the population....

Because you were not part of the "subset," hypocrite. You clearly do not understand, nor deserve to live in, America.

We weren't attacked by any Traitor Japs [sic] during that time, so it was the smart move.

Are you saying it was the wrong move not to throw every American of German or Italian ancestry into concentration camps then? Hell, throw everyone into concentration camps today and eliminate crime entirely!

You're a fucking genius...

 

[Flopper]

The problem is that vile shits like FDR hated people - US CITIZENS INCLUDED - because of their face regardless of anything else. And some idiots here insist on worshiping the fucking scumbag.

Regardless of whether you love or hate FDR, there is one you have to admit. He was one of the most influential presidents in American history. It's hard to compare him to other president because of the number of challenges the nation faced during his term in office and the length of time he served - the Great Depression - this in itself included finding financial means to employ a great number of people who had lost their jobs. Creating funding for new programs to expand the nation - CCC, road crews to transportation, etc. He also dealt with World War 2 issues, the attack on Pearl Harbor, providing funding and supplies for the allies, for the latter part of his term, initiating the Manhattan project, and the laying of the foundation for the United Nations. Probably one of the most difficult challenges he faced was preparing a nation of isolationist for war. FDR did a lot of things right and wrong which you might expect for a president elected to 4 terms.

 

[Wildman]

Stalin refused to allow FDR to communicate with him.

If you wonder why you aren't taken seriously, it's sentences like that.

Where it not for ignorance, you'd be agreeing with me.

The series I concluded was wonderful in so many ways, in traditional Ken Burns style but according to this scholar, much was left out, that would have painted a different historical picture:

Authored by: Harvey J. Kaye is Professor of Democracy and Justice Studies at the University of Wisconsin-Green Bay.

Ken Burns’s ‘Roosevelts’ Fine But Flawed

Arguably America’s most influential historian, Burns fashions a fascinating documentary from the lives of Teddy, Franklin, and Eleanor. But his story has grave gaps.

Ken Burns s Roosevelts Fine But Flawed - The Daily Beast

I love it!

Thank you, Aqua, for the link, and thank you @PoliticalChic for 'liking' this post!

While the article has some criticisms of omissions in Ken Burn's documentary (omissions that further bolster FDR's stature), NOWHERE in the article is a single criticism of FDR or his policies to get the country out of the Great Depression.

Even the article author's own book is titled "The Fight for the Four Freedoms: What Made FDR and the Greatest Generation Truly Great".

So thank you again, ladies, for confirming the greatness of Franklin Delano Roosevelt. We Liberals appreciate your recognition of this basic fact.

>>>>>>>>>>>
i would not say FDR was a "great" president, he most definitely had a little something worse than "flaws" e.g., 5 reasons FDR was the worst president in American history Rightly Wired

what do you remember about him ?

 

[Discombobulated]

Safety first.

Pretending to be proud of it doesn't make your stupidity any less obvious and sad.

I'm happy that FDR put the safety of the country ahead of mollifying a subset of the population....

Because you were not part of the "subset," hypocrite. You clearly do not understand, nor deserve to live in, America.

We weren't attacked by any Traitor Japs [sic] during that time, so it was the smart move.

Are you saying it was the wrong move not to throw every American of German or Italian ancestry into concentration camps then? Hell, throw everyone into concentration camps today and eliminate crime entirely!

You're a fucking genius...

 

[Synthaholic]

Safety first.

Pretending to be proud of it doesn't make your stupidity any less obvious and sad.

I'm happy that FDR put the safety of the country ahead of mollifying a subset of the population....

Because you were not part of the "subset," hypocrite. You clearly do not understand, nor deserve to live in, America.

We weren't attacked by any Traitor Japs [sic] during that time, so it was the smart move.

Are you saying it was the wrong move not to throw every American of German or Italian ancestry into concentration camps then? Hell, throw everyone into concentration camps today and eliminate crime entirely!

You're a fucking genius...

No [sic] needed. That's what they were back then.

 

[Synthaholic]

Stalin refused to allow FDR to communicate with him.

If you wonder why you aren't taken seriously, it's sentences like that.

Where it not for ignorance, you'd be agreeing with me.

The series I concluded was wonderful in so many ways, in traditional Ken Burns style but according to this scholar, much was left out, that would have painted a different historical picture:

Authored by: Harvey J. Kaye is Professor of Democracy and Justice Studies at the University of Wisconsin-Green Bay.

Ken Burns’s ‘Roosevelts’ Fine But Flawed

Arguably America’s most influential historian, Burns fashions a fascinating documentary from the lives of Teddy, Franklin, and Eleanor. But his story has grave gaps.

Ken Burns s Roosevelts Fine But Flawed - The Daily Beast

I love it!

Thank you, Aqua, for the link, and thank you @PoliticalChic for 'liking' this post!

While the article has some criticisms of omissions in Ken Burn's documentary (omissions that further bolster FDR's stature), NOWHERE in the article is a single criticism of FDR or his policies to get the country out of the Great Depression.

Even the article author's own book is titled "The Fight for the Four Freedoms: What Made FDR and the Greatest Generation Truly Great".

So thank you again, ladies, for confirming the greatness of Franklin Delano Roosevelt. We Liberals appreciate your recognition of this basic fact.

>>>>>>>>>>>
i would not say FDR was a "great" president, he most definitely had a little something worse than "flaws" e.g., 5 reasons FDR was the worst president in American history Rightly Wired

what do you remember about him ?

I don't give a shit about his personal, private life. It's none of my business.

 

[Unkotare]

No [sic] needed. That's what they were back then.

There is just no limit to how stupid you can get, is there?

 

[Picaro]

For those in the Peanut Gallery who would like to understand the relocation of the Japanese from the West Coast, this essay is a good study of the situation and the times.

The Internment of the Ethnic Japanese in WWII -- Military Justification

And the incident that played a large role in that decision, the Niihau Incident, is easily Googled up.

Hawaiian Islands Campaign [TBODY] [/TBODY]

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

The Niʻihau Incident (or Battle of Niʻihau) occurred on December 7, 1941, when Imperial Japanese Navy Air Service pilot Shigenori Nishikaichi crash-landed his Zero on the Hawaiian island of Niʻihau after participating in the attack on Pearl Harbor. He was killed in a struggle with people on the island.

The island's Native Hawaiian residents were initially unaware of the attack, but apprehended Nishikaichi when the gravity of the situation became apparent. Nishikaichi then sought and received the assistance of three locals of Japanese descent in overcoming his captors, finding weapons, and taking several hostages. Eventually, Nishikaichi was killed by Niihauans Benehakaka "Ben" Kanahele and Kealoha "Ella" Kanahele;[1] Ben Kanahele was wounded in the process, and one of Nishikaichi's confederates, Yoshio Harada, committed suicide.

The incident and the actions of Nishikaichi's abettors contributed to a sense in the American military that every Japanese, even those who were American citizens or otherwise thought loyal to the United States, might aid Japan; this ultimately may have influenced the decision to intern Japanese Americans during World War II. Ben Kanahele was decorated for his part in stopping the incident; Ella Kanahele received no official recognition.[1]

Niihau Incident - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Despite Unkotare's insipid trolling and distortions, attempting to claim that there were no Japanese traitors, there indeed were, and maybe more would have turned up if they hadn't been denied the opportunity due to internment. A significant number of Japanese weren't American citizens, and the Japanese press in California had been avid supporters of the Japanese conquests and atrocities in Asia for decades, raising money for Japanese troops and the like, so yes, under the initial wartime conditions, relocating them was an expedient nobody would be against at the time. As I said earlier, there were no 'convictions for treason' because the first ones were killed, and the relocations prevented the opportunity for others to do so.

Sniveling about it from hindsight is just stupid hubris.

 

[Unkotare]

Sniveling about it from hindsight is just stupid hubris.

The FACT is that no Japanese American was ever convicted of treason, espionage, or sabotage throughout WWII. Fact.


And you don't seem to understand what the word "hubris" means.

 

[Flopper]

For those in the Peanut Gallery who would like to understand the relocation of the Japanese from the West Coast, this essay is a good study of the situation and the times.

The Internment of the Ethnic Japanese in WWII -- Military Justification

And the incident that played a large role in that decision, the Niihau Incident, is easily Googled up.

Hawaiian Islands Campaign [TBODY] [/TBODY]

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

The Niʻihau Incident (or Battle of Niʻihau) occurred on December 7, 1941, when Imperial Japanese Navy Air Service pilot Shigenori Nishikaichi crash-landed his Zero on the Hawaiian island of Niʻihau after participating in the attack on Pearl Harbor. He was killed in a struggle with people on the island.

The island's Native Hawaiian residents were initially unaware of the attack, but apprehended Nishikaichi when the gravity of the situation became apparent. Nishikaichi then sought and received the assistance of three locals of Japanese descent in overcoming his captors, finding weapons, and taking several hostages. Eventually, Nishikaichi was killed by Niihauans Benehakaka "Ben" Kanahele and Kealoha "Ella" Kanahele;[1] Ben Kanahele was wounded in the process, and one of Nishikaichi's confederates, Yoshio Harada, committed suicide.

The incident and the actions of Nishikaichi's abettors contributed to a sense in the American military that every Japanese, even those who were American citizens or otherwise thought loyal to the United States, might aid Japan; this ultimately may have influenced the decision to intern Japanese Americans during World War II. Ben Kanahele was decorated for his part in stopping the incident; Ella Kanahele received no official recognition.[1]

Niihau Incident - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Despite Unkotare's insipid trolling and distortions, attempting to claim that there were no Japanese traitors, there indeed were, and maybe more would have turned up if they hadn't been denied the opportunity due to internment. A significant number of Japanese weren't American citizens, and the Japanese press in California had been avid supporters of the Japanese conquests and atrocities in Asia for decades, raising money for Japanese troops and the like, so yes, under the initial wartime conditions, relocating them was an expedient nobody would be against at the time. As I said earlier, there were no 'convictions for treason' because the first ones were killed, and the relocations prevented the opportunity for others to do so.

Sniveling about it from hindsight is just stupid hubris.

I think the major criticism is the selective nature of the interment. German Americans and Italian Americans weren't forced out of their homes and business and forced into interment camps even after Germany and Italy took action against the US. Interment was a racial issue and certainly a black mark on the Roosevelt administration.

 

[Synthaholic]

No [sic] needed. That's what they were back then.

There is just no limit to how stupid you can get, is there?

There is a limit to how much energy I want to expend when dealing with your retarded posts, yes.

I tend to punch down and not try very hard in answering you. Anything more is just wasted.

 

[Synthaholic]

Sniveling about it from hindsight is just stupid hubris.

The FACT is that no Japanese American was ever convicted of treason, espionage, or sabotage throughout WWII. Fact.


And you don't seem to understand what the word "hubris" means.

That's because they were monitored. Thank you, FDR!

 

[Unkotare]

I tend to punch down and not try very hard in answering you.

Trying to make excuses for the idiotic nonsense you post here?