Kelsey Grammer's daughter, man slashed outside Manhattan restaurant, by black man

[Ghost of a Rider]

Drunk. Check!

Black. Check!

Possesses knife. Check!

So I can easily diffuse this situation. Check!

So, can you tell at what point in sizing up this situation that 'common sense' became uncommon?

The point when a gun was not brought to a knife fight.
A gun is no magical tool. In fact, it's most likely inferior when you're in knife range.

I never mentioned a gun.
Just two idiots that tried to diffuse a drunken, angry, black guy with a knife.
They discovered that knives are sharp.
And most likely haven't had the thought that thru dumb luck, they are still alive.

They did not know that he had a knife or they would have called a BLM social worker with heroin to fix the guy up

BLM don't have social workers. And heroine is illegal. I'm not sure you know what you're talking about.

Actually kid BLM wants all police matters handled by SOCIAL WORKERS

Minneapolis Vows to "Dismantle" Police, Replace With Social Workers - The New American

High-ranking city officials called for eliminating the police department and replacing it with a "transformative new model of public safety." By Luis Miguel

www.thenewamerican.com

Now grow up you certified dumbass

No they don't you idiot. Stop getting your facts from Sean Hannity. They are going to simply let specialist handle certain situations that require it. Police do no need to deal with the mentally ill. They are ill equipped to do that.

Stop spreading fear and propaganda. Thats all conservatives have is fear mongering and lies.

Hey retard, the mentally ill black man here had a knife and slashed people, and you want Social workers responding

Says the Marxist moron

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Black Lives Matter is a Marxist revolutionary movement aimed at transforming the United States into a communist dystopia. BLM states that it wants to abolish the nuclear family, police, prisons and capitalism. BLM leaders have threatened to "burn down

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Moron! Did I say social workers or specialists?

Yes, you did: “They are going to simply let specialist handle certain situations that require it.”

And yes there are individuals trained to deal with out of control insane people. They do it for a living at mental hospitals every single day. The reason those patients are alive is because they aren't dealing with the frail egos of our police officers but trained professionals.

1.) Mentally ill people in mental hospitals don’t have access to weapons and there are always orderlies on hand if the person gets violent or out of control.

2.) Out in the world, a crazy can get his hands on any kind of weapon, same as the gangbangers.

3.) Sane people are unpredictable as evidenced by the murders we hear and read about every day (not to mention the riots). Magnify that unpredictability tenfold where the mentally ill enter the picture.

A “specialist”, whatever form that takes, is not equipped to deal with a mentally ill person who is armed with no officer, orderly or security on hand to protect him/her.

If any city or state adopts this type of policing or whatever you want to call it, I give them six months to a year before a specialist is seriously injured or killed. It will be inevitable.

You missed my question, it was did I say specialist or did I say social worker not did I say.... ohh forget it.

Okay, I get that. But that being the case you should have put the words “specialist” and “social worker” in quotes as I just did.

We are still forced to accept the fact that the police are striking out when it comes to the mentally ill.

Or maybe society is striking out by stigmatizing mental illness and not getting them the care they need.

Dealing with a mentally ill family member is extremely difficult. I know because my mother was schizophrenic and a manic depressive. It traumatized and scarred me and all my siblings.

I mention this because most people are not equipped to deal with this sort of thing and many feel helpless and alone and just give up. Thus, we often have people out and about in the world that maybe shouldn’t be and should be under regular care.

The mentally ill don't make up a vast majority of their case load(depending on who you ask) so maybe a task force with training to deal with the mentally ill and restrain them with the least amount of force could be developed in each city. This way the police can act a a support unit rather than the primary unit to engage the mentally ill.

This would be considered defunding the police. Why is that bad?

It’s a noble idea but unrealistic. Cops never know when they’re going to encounter someone who is mentally ill and often the situation does not afford the time to wait for a mental health professional to show up before the person can harm or kill someone.

Protecting the public and defending themselves is paramount, mental illness or no. So if someone is behaving irrationally and waving a weapon around, he must be stopped.

I don't agree with your assertion that dealing with the mentally ill requires cat like reflexes. Police like to create this myth that every single situation is a do or die situation where life hangs in the balance with each second they resist physical action.

You’re looking at it from the wrong perspective. You're applying an element of certainty to the issue that simply does not exist.

Cops don’t approach every situation as if it is a do-or-die situation; by necessity, they have to approach every situation as if it could be a do-or-die situation. Why? Because every situation could be a do-or-die situation. And all too many of them turn out to be just that.

In other words, there is no certainty whatsoever in any case of officer/suspect/citizen interaction that it will turn into a life threatening situation. But by the same token, there is no certainty that it will not turn into a life threatening situation. Therefore, an officer must, for the sake of protecting the public and further ensuring that he/she will make it home at the end of his/her watch, assume that any situation could go south.

Allow me to widen your perspective a little more. Twenty nine officers have already been killed by suspects in 2020 and we're only seven months into the year. Of those, eight were domestic disturbance calls; six were traffic stops and one was a mentally ill person. And, as far as the debate regarding the white crime rate vs. the black crime rate, fully eleven of these cop killings were committed by blacks. That's 32% of the cop shootings this year. Compare this to the percentage of the black population (13%) and it means that blacks kill cops at over twice their population percentage.

All things being equal, of these twenty nine cop killings, we should only see four or five perpetrated by blacks.

If you were an officer of the law with a wife and family waiting for you at home and you knew that any situation could be dangerous, would you not approach each situation as if it could be?

The number of cop killings by shooting and the names of those officers can be found here at the Officer Down Memorial Page: The Officer Down Memorial Page (ODMP)

Majority of the time that's simply not true. Most of the time officers have plenty of time to make smart decisions when they care about their detail.

And most of the time they do make smart decisions. You seem to be forgetting or overlooking that fact. If we were looking at a situation where restraint and justified shootings were the exception rather than the rule, I'd understand your concern. But alas, that is not the case. In the majority of officer interactions, most behave professionally and most shootings are justified because that is what they are trained to do.

In short, the situation is not nearly as bad as people are making it out to be and to think mistakes will never be made is woefully naive.

Police officers only have the option(training) to restrain and arrest the mentally. Maybe there is a better way. We should at least think about it.

The police have the imperative to protect the public. If this means a mentally ill suspect needs to be put down then so be it. All the social justice niceties go right out the window once it becomes clear a suspect is a threat.

I didn't say that cops approach every situation like its do or die, i said that this is the narrative that the police create.

No, it is not.

By you parroting it,

You said they created the narrative that each situation is do or die. I said they approach each situation as if it could be do or die. I have parroted nothing.

you obviously believe it when in fact statistically its not true.

First of all, there are no statistics to cite and they would be irrelevant anyway. If even one officer is ambushed and killed then statistically and philosophically speaking, any situation has the potential to be life threatening. If this was not true then officers wouldn't carry firearms, would they?

Secondly, twenty nine officers have been killed already this year. Whatever the statistics are, if I were an officer then I would approach every situation as if it could become life threatening. My family would not be happy if I was #30 on that list.

And think about this: Some officer will be #30 if there isn't one already. Think about this also: Each one of those twenty nine officers probably did NOT approach the situation as if it could be life threatening. If they had, they would all likely still be alive.

Has any of this occurred to you? Has it even occurred to you that while you sit there and tell me they shouldn't approach each situation as if it could be a life threatening situation that twenty nine officers died in life threatening situations?

Once you rid yourself of the idea that every single police encounter requires milli second life and death decision making you can see that a lot of the mistakes police make is because of a lack of care and training.

Sometimes the mistakes cops make get them killed.

In fairness police officers simply can't be trained to deal with certain situations. Why not train people who are? 30 years ago, we didn't have 4g mobile phones. Now we do. maybe its time to move our policing into the next century. It is one of the few flaws in this country that has not evolved itself.

If you're not going to train officers to negotiate with or talk down the mentally ill then you're going to have to train mental health professionals in police tactics, how to defend themselves, arm them and give them arrest powers. One or the other.

I'm not sure why the shift to blacks killing cops when I was discussing the mentally ill but ok.

It was something I came across while researching those twenty nine cases and thought it was worth mentioning.

The one stat that you should focus on is 29 cops have been killed in 2020. Thats 29 out of 750,000. Now lets talk about how many were killed by blacks. Do you see where I'm going with this?

Frankly, no. The stat I brought up has nothing to do with percentages of officers killed vs. the number of officers. It has to do with the fact that twenty nine officers died in life threatening situations while you tell me they shouldn't have approached these situations as potentially life threatening.

So tell me, if they should not approach every situation as possibly life threatening, how many should they approach in this manner? One a week? Three a month? Half of them? Do they know how many encounters they'll have in a given month?

Do you not yet understand that the one common denominator in every police encounter is the UNKNOWN? Do you not yet understand that, given that an officer will never know from one encounter to the next which one might go south, prudence demands he approach each one the same way? Do you not yet understand that this is why they are armed in the first place?

Their culture is built around protecting themselves from the big black boogey man based on those numbers? I call bs. Its just hate. It always has been. If white cops are afraid of blacks then don't send white cops into our neighborhoods. Is that fair?

This is your narrative, not theirs.

"The police have the imperative to protect the public. If this means a mentally ill suspect needs to be put down then so be it. All the social justice niceties go right out the window once it becomes clear a suspect is a threat."

Sorry but these are the rantings of a child. It sounds really good and tough on the surface I might add but when you're sitting on the other side of it, like everyone else it will become clear to you.

The other side of what, a wickering knife blade in the hand of some crazy? We are discussing the incident where Ms. Grammar was injured by some nut waving a knife around after all. Which side was she on while the guy slashed at her?

Besides court cases have already determined though case law that police are not obligated to protect the public. So there is no such imperative that you speak of.

What does it say on the side of almost every police cruiser in this country? "To Protect and Serve". If they are not there to protect the innocents from those who would do harm, what the fuck are they doing?

 

[CoolPapaCash]

We are still forced to accept the fact that the police are striking out when it comes to the mentally ill.

You said: "Or maybe society is striking out by stigmatizing mental illness and not getting them the care they need."

Is this the case or isn't it? Obviously you can argue for the sake of it but do you believe what you just typed? Is it the peoples fault when an arrest of a mentally challenged person goes left and he/she is killed?

You said: "It’s a noble idea but unrealistic. Cops never know when they’re going to encounter someone who is mentally ill and often the situation does not afford the time to wait for a mental health professional to show up before the person can harm or kill someone."

One again you're incorrectly stating that police don't have time. This is wrong. Indirectly you are still parroting the fallacy that every situation requires cat quick definite reactions or someone is going to die. I grew up with a really good guy in Miami who became a cop(so I can't hate people for being cops), in 20 years he's drawn his service weapon 3 times and never shot anyone. He had a regular detail. Of course he doesn't represent every cop but he's also not an anomaly.

You said: "Protecting the public and defending themselves is paramount, mental illness or no. So if someone is behaving irrationally and waving a weapon around, he must be stopped."

You are half right, defending themselves is paramount, I already told you that protecting the public is not their job.

You said: "What does it say on the side of almost every police cruiser in this country? "To Protect and Serve". If they are not there to protect the innocents from those who would do harm, what the fuck are they doing?"

"Subject to narrow exceptions[2], the United States Constitution does not require law enforcement officers to protect you from other people, according to the U.S. Supreme Court. This notion contradicts our engrained perceptions, but it’s still the law today."

The Police are Not Required to Protect You — Barnes Law

To Protect and to Serve” – the ubiquitous creed emblazoned across millions of police cars throughout Los Angeles and indeed the United States. This motto is consistent with the common belief that police officers as well as other law enforcement officers are here to protect us.

www.barneslawllp.com

.

This information is easily available to anyone who wants facts.

I do see where your thinking is flawed though. When I say mentally ill patients you're thinking "Garland Greene", not your mom. Was your mom dangerous? I had a mentally ill uncle whose only vice was that he'd wander off sometimes. He was always recovered without incident. I believe majority of cases are like this one. Perhaps you know differently?

 

[Correll]

MSN is liberal media. They reported it. So whats got your panties in a bunch?

Maybe the fact that it's another example of a rabid piece of shit monkey attacking good Americans...

OR..A mentally ill person that could be safely institutionalized. To his benefit and society's.
Number of countries that closed Mental Hospitals and tried to use drugs instead? The United States of America.(1)
That is a failed plan. Hundreds have died because they did this. No other countries have done this.
No other countries closed their Sanitariums, only the Big Pharma-bribed US.
Big Pharma: "Our magic pills make 4 walls and straightjackets obsolete".
Me: "Bullshit!"
Why there's mass shootings is because the mentally ill are no longer institutionalized.

agreed. we need to reopen the nut houses, and lock up a lot of nuts.

 

[esalla]

We are still forced to accept the fact that the police are striking out when it comes to the mentally ill.

You said: "Or maybe society is striking out by stigmatizing mental illness and not getting them the care they need."

Is this the case or isn't it? Obviously you can argue for the sake of it but do you believe what you just typed? Is it the peoples fault when an arrest of a mentally challenged person goes left and he/she is killed?

You said: "It’s a noble idea but unrealistic. Cops never know when they’re going to encounter someone who is mentally ill and often the situation does not afford the time to wait for a mental health professional to show up before the person can harm or kill someone."

One again you're incorrectly stating that police don't have time. This is wrong. Indirectly you are still parroting the fallacy that every situation requires cat quick definite reactions or someone is going to die. I grew up with a really good guy in Miami who became a cop(so I can't hate people for being cops), in 20 years he's drawn his service weapon 3 times and never shot anyone. He had a regular detail. Of course he doesn't represent every cop but he's also not an anomaly.

You said: "Protecting the public and defending themselves is paramount, mental illness or no. So if someone is behaving irrationally and waving a weapon around, he must be stopped."

You are half right, defending themselves is paramount, I already told you that protecting the public is not their job.

You said: "What does it say on the side of almost every police cruiser in this country? "To Protect and Serve". If they are not there to protect the innocents from those who would do harm, what the fuck are they doing?"

"Subject to narrow exceptions[2], the United States Constitution does not require law enforcement officers to protect you from other people, according to the U.S. Supreme Court. This notion contradicts our engrained perceptions, but it’s still the law today."

The Police are Not Required to Protect You — Barnes Law

To Protect and to Serve” – the ubiquitous creed emblazoned across millions of police cars throughout Los Angeles and indeed the United States. This motto is consistent with the common belief that police officers as well as other law enforcement officers are here to protect us.

www.barneslawllp.com

.

This information is easily available to anyone who wants facts.

I do see where your thinking is flawed though. When I say mentally ill patients you're thinking "Garland Greene", not your mom. Was your mom dangerous? I had a mentally ill uncle whose only vice was that he'd wander off sometimes. He was always recovered without incident. I believe majority of cases are like this one. Perhaps you know differently?

Have you burned a Target yet today retard

 

[Likkmee]

Reruns of (what the fuck is the name of the tossed salad and scrambled eggs show?) are still OK
What is a drunk black man with a knife doing in Manhattan slashing people in a restaurant?

Kramer? No that can't be it..Lilith's bitch? No! That's not it either. I suck.
Oh! It's "Frazier". The dad kicked ass!

He was making sure she maintained social distancing. She obviously wasnt. He B a Hee Row

 

[Godboy]

Drunk. Check!

Black. Check!

Possesses knife. Check!

So I can easily diffuse this situation. Check!

So, can you tell at what point in sizing up this situation that 'common sense' became uncommon?

The point when a gun was not brought to a knife fight.
A gun is no magical tool. In fact, it's most likely inferior when you're in knife range.

I never mentioned a gun.
Just two idiots that tried to diffuse a drunken, angry, black guy with a knife.
They discovered that knives are sharp.
And most likely haven't had the thought that thru dumb luck, they are still alive.

They did not know that he had a knife or they would have called a BLM social worker with heroin to fix the guy up

They must still be in shock that an angry, drunk, knife wielding black guy did what most drunken, angry, knife wielding black guys do!

Should they be embarrassed for trying to help the loser?

At the least. Especially when they could've been killed.
But instead, they'll hire a PR firm to make them look like heroes. Or, daddy will.

Damn, youre defending a knife attacker because he is black? It doesnt get more racist than that.

 

[CoolPapaCash]

We are still forced to accept the fact that the police are striking out when it comes to the mentally ill.

You said: "Or maybe society is striking out by stigmatizing mental illness and not getting them the care they need."

Is this the case or isn't it? Obviously you can argue for the sake of it but do you believe what you just typed? Is it the peoples fault when an arrest of a mentally challenged person goes left and he/she is killed?

You said: "It’s a noble idea but unrealistic. Cops never know when they’re going to encounter someone who is mentally ill and often the situation does not afford the time to wait for a mental health professional to show up before the person can harm or kill someone."

One again you're incorrectly stating that police don't have time. This is wrong. Indirectly you are still parroting the fallacy that every situation requires cat quick definite reactions or someone is going to die. I grew up with a really good guy in Miami who became a cop(so I can't hate people for being cops), in 20 years he's drawn his service weapon 3 times and never shot anyone. He had a regular detail. Of course he doesn't represent every cop but he's also not an anomaly.

You said: "Protecting the public and defending themselves is paramount, mental illness or no. So if someone is behaving irrationally and waving a weapon around, he must be stopped."

You are half right, defending themselves is paramount, I already told you that protecting the public is not their job.

You said: "What does it say on the side of almost every police cruiser in this country? "To Protect and Serve". If they are not there to protect the innocents from those who would do harm, what the fuck are they doing?"

"Subject to narrow exceptions[2], the United States Constitution does not require law enforcement officers to protect you from other people, according to the U.S. Supreme Court. This notion contradicts our engrained perceptions, but it’s still the law today."

The Police are Not Required to Protect You — Barnes Law

To Protect and to Serve” – the ubiquitous creed emblazoned across millions of police cars throughout Los Angeles and indeed the United States. This motto is consistent with the common belief that police officers as well as other law enforcement officers are here to protect us.

www.barneslawllp.com

.

This information is easily available to anyone who wants facts.

I do see where your thinking is flawed though. When I say mentally ill patients you're thinking "Garland Greene", not your mom. Was your mom dangerous? I had a mentally ill uncle whose only vice was that he'd wander off sometimes. He was always recovered without incident. I believe majority of cases are like this one. Perhaps you know differently?

Have you burned a Target yet today retard

Wow you wake up mad? You should try women out(If you are not an incel). Seriously, a little pussy can mellow you out a little and remind you that world isn't such a bad place. Its just kinda broken.

FYI

We didn't burn any Targets in Atlanta schmendrick. Most of the protests I attended were pretty peaceful except the first night when they shot rubber bullets at us.

 

[esalla]

We are still forced to accept the fact that the police are striking out when it comes to the mentally ill.

You said: "Or maybe society is striking out by stigmatizing mental illness and not getting them the care they need."

Is this the case or isn't it? Obviously you can argue for the sake of it but do you believe what you just typed? Is it the peoples fault when an arrest of a mentally challenged person goes left and he/she is killed?

You said: "It’s a noble idea but unrealistic. Cops never know when they’re going to encounter someone who is mentally ill and often the situation does not afford the time to wait for a mental health professional to show up before the person can harm or kill someone."

One again you're incorrectly stating that police don't have time. This is wrong. Indirectly you are still parroting the fallacy that every situation requires cat quick definite reactions or someone is going to die. I grew up with a really good guy in Miami who became a cop(so I can't hate people for being cops), in 20 years he's drawn his service weapon 3 times and never shot anyone. He had a regular detail. Of course he doesn't represent every cop but he's also not an anomaly.

You said: "Protecting the public and defending themselves is paramount, mental illness or no. So if someone is behaving irrationally and waving a weapon around, he must be stopped."

You are half right, defending themselves is paramount, I already told you that protecting the public is not their job.

You said: "What does it say on the side of almost every police cruiser in this country? "To Protect and Serve". If they are not there to protect the innocents from those who would do harm, what the fuck are they doing?"

"Subject to narrow exceptions[2], the United States Constitution does not require law enforcement officers to protect you from other people, according to the U.S. Supreme Court. This notion contradicts our engrained perceptions, but it’s still the law today."

The Police are Not Required to Protect You — Barnes Law

To Protect and to Serve” – the ubiquitous creed emblazoned across millions of police cars throughout Los Angeles and indeed the United States. This motto is consistent with the common belief that police officers as well as other law enforcement officers are here to protect us.

www.barneslawllp.com

.

This information is easily available to anyone who wants facts.

I do see where your thinking is flawed though. When I say mentally ill patients you're thinking "Garland Greene", not your mom. Was your mom dangerous? I had a mentally ill uncle whose only vice was that he'd wander off sometimes. He was always recovered without incident. I believe majority of cases are like this one. Perhaps you know differently?

Have you burned a Target yet today retard

Wow you wake up mad? You should try women out(If you are not an incel). Seriously, a little pussy can mellow you out a little and remind you that world isn't such a bad place. Its just kinda broken.

FYI

We didn't burn any Targets in Atlanta schmendrick. Most of the protests I attended were pretty peaceful except the first night when they shot rubber bullets at us.

So you burned down the Wendy's in Atlanta. Are you proud of yourself?

You live in your mental delusion and pretend it didn't happen

LOL peaceful arson.......................RETARD ALERT

Second suspect in Atlanta Wendy's arson seen in newly released photos

Atlanta officials released photographs on Tuesday of a second suspect in their Wendy's arson investigation, after one of the fast-food chains was burned down, following the death of 27-year-old Rayshard Brooks.

www.foxnews.com

Woman suspected of burning Atlanta Wendy's may have been Rayshard Brooks' girlfriend

The woman, seen in security footage, may have been involved with Brooks.

www.foxnews.com

 

[CoolPapaCash]

MSN is liberal media. They reported it. So whats got your panties in a bunch?

Maybe the fact that it's another example of a rabid piece of shit monkey attacking good Americans...

WTF does that even mean? My question was to him based on his posting an article and his intent.

But is that why YOUR panties are in bunch? Because a rabid piece of shit monkey attacked good Americans? GTFOH! You can't hide hate behind compassion. You have no compassion. You took a shot at a black mentally ill person.

Well done soldier! (Slow golf clap)

 

[esalla]

MSN is liberal media. They reported it. So whats got your panties in a bunch?

Maybe the fact that it's another example of a rabid piece of shit monkey attacking good Americans...

WTF does that even mean? My question was to him based on his posting an article and his intent.

But is that why YOUR panties are in bunch? Because a rabid piece of shit monkey attacked good Americans? GTFOH! You can't hide hate behind compassion. You have no compassion. You took a shot at a black mentally ill person.

Well done soldier! (Slow golf clap)

How many BLM idiots died in Chicago today? Do you even know or care?

Chicago Crime, Murder & Mayhem | Criminal Infographics | HeyJackass!

Neighborhood homicide map for the City of Chicago for 2020. Sorted by totals and updated frequently to reflect the latest homicide trends & Chicago Values.

heyjackass.com

 

[CoolPapaCash]

We are still forced to accept the fact that the police are striking out when it comes to the mentally ill.

You said: "Or maybe society is striking out by stigmatizing mental illness and not getting them the care they need."

Is this the case or isn't it? Obviously you can argue for the sake of it but do you believe what you just typed? Is it the peoples fault when an arrest of a mentally challenged person goes left and he/she is killed?

You said: "It’s a noble idea but unrealistic. Cops never know when they’re going to encounter someone who is mentally ill and often the situation does not afford the time to wait for a mental health professional to show up before the person can harm or kill someone."

One again you're incorrectly stating that police don't have time. This is wrong. Indirectly you are still parroting the fallacy that every situation requires cat quick definite reactions or someone is going to die. I grew up with a really good guy in Miami who became a cop(so I can't hate people for being cops), in 20 years he's drawn his service weapon 3 times and never shot anyone. He had a regular detail. Of course he doesn't represent every cop but he's also not an anomaly.

You said: "Protecting the public and defending themselves is paramount, mental illness or no. So if someone is behaving irrationally and waving a weapon around, he must be stopped."

You are half right, defending themselves is paramount, I already told you that protecting the public is not their job.

You said: "What does it say on the side of almost every police cruiser in this country? "To Protect and Serve". If they are not there to protect the innocents from those who would do harm, what the fuck are they doing?"

"Subject to narrow exceptions[2], the United States Constitution does not require law enforcement officers to protect you from other people, according to the U.S. Supreme Court. This notion contradicts our engrained perceptions, but it’s still the law today."

The Police are Not Required to Protect You — Barnes Law

To Protect and to Serve” – the ubiquitous creed emblazoned across millions of police cars throughout Los Angeles and indeed the United States. This motto is consistent with the common belief that police officers as well as other law enforcement officers are here to protect us.

www.barneslawllp.com

.

This information is easily available to anyone who wants facts.

I do see where your thinking is flawed though. When I say mentally ill patients you're thinking "Garland Greene", not your mom. Was your mom dangerous? I had a mentally ill uncle whose only vice was that he'd wander off sometimes. He was always recovered without incident. I believe majority of cases are like this one. Perhaps you know differently?

Have you burned a Target yet today retard

Wow you wake up mad? You should try women out(If you are not an incel). Seriously, a little pussy can mellow you out a little and remind you that world isn't such a bad place. Its just kinda broken.

FYI

We didn't burn any Targets in Atlanta schmendrick. Most of the protests I attended were pretty peaceful except the first night when they shot rubber bullets at us.

So you burned down the Wendy's in Atlanta. Are you proud of yourself?

You live in your mental delusion and pretend it didn't happen

LOL peaceful arson.......................RETARD ALERT

Second suspect in Atlanta Wendy's arson seen in newly released photos

Atlanta officials released photographs on Tuesday of a second suspect in their Wendy's arson investigation, after one of the fast-food chains was burned down, following the death of 27-year-old Rayshard Brooks.

www.foxnews.com

Woman suspected of burning Atlanta Wendy's may have been Rayshard Brooks' girlfriend

The woman, seen in security footage, may have been involved with Brooks.

www.foxnews.com

I still say you need some pussy.

I'd say that your reading comprehension is kinda low but you've probably heard that enough already so I'll just answer you.

"We didn't burn any Targets in Atlanta schmendrick. Most of the protests I attended were pretty peaceful except the first night when they shot rubber bullets at us."

I didn't attend the protest where the Wendy's was burned. I also left before the incident where a police car was set on fire. Before that all was peaceful.

Wendy's is not Target you imbecile. Please stop going to Target and asking for a #2. they simply don't have it.

 

[CoolPapaCash]

MSN is liberal media. They reported it. So whats got your panties in a bunch?

Maybe the fact that it's another example of a rabid piece of shit monkey attacking good Americans...

WTF does that even mean? My question was to him based on his posting an article and his intent.

But is that why YOUR panties are in bunch? Because a rabid piece of shit monkey attacked good Americans? GTFOH! You can't hide hate behind compassion. You have no compassion. You took a shot at a black mentally ill person.

Well done soldier! (Slow golf clap)

How many BLM idiots died in Chicago today? Do you even know or care?

Chicago Crime, Murder & Mayhem | Criminal Infographics | HeyJackass!

Neighborhood homicide map for the City of Chicago for 2020. Sorted by totals and updated frequently to reflect the latest homicide trends & Chicago Values.

heyjackass.com

Sure I care but this is what we call a red herring.

But ok lets discuss. What is your point of presenting these numbers?

 

[esalla]

MSN is liberal media. They reported it. So whats got your panties in a bunch?

Maybe the fact that it's another example of a rabid piece of shit monkey attacking good Americans...

WTF does that even mean? My question was to him based on his posting an article and his intent.

But is that why YOUR panties are in bunch? Because a rabid piece of shit monkey attacked good Americans? GTFOH! You can't hide hate behind compassion. You have no compassion. You took a shot at a black mentally ill person.

Well done soldier! (Slow golf clap)

How many BLM idiots died in Chicago today? Do you even know or care?

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Sure I care but this is what we call a red herring.

But ok lets discuss. What is your point of presenting these numbers?

So it's ok with you when black morons shoot black kids.........................

Genius pure genius

For a flea

All shot dead, and you are proud of the achievement. They were children not red herrings you fucking piece of shit

 

[esalla]

We are still forced to accept the fact that the police are striking out when it comes to the mentally ill.

You said: "Or maybe society is striking out by stigmatizing mental illness and not getting them the care they need."

Is this the case or isn't it? Obviously you can argue for the sake of it but do you believe what you just typed? Is it the peoples fault when an arrest of a mentally challenged person goes left and he/she is killed?

You said: "It’s a noble idea but unrealistic. Cops never know when they’re going to encounter someone who is mentally ill and often the situation does not afford the time to wait for a mental health professional to show up before the person can harm or kill someone."

One again you're incorrectly stating that police don't have time. This is wrong. Indirectly you are still parroting the fallacy that every situation requires cat quick definite reactions or someone is going to die. I grew up with a really good guy in Miami who became a cop(so I can't hate people for being cops), in 20 years he's drawn his service weapon 3 times and never shot anyone. He had a regular detail. Of course he doesn't represent every cop but he's also not an anomaly.

You said: "Protecting the public and defending themselves is paramount, mental illness or no. So if someone is behaving irrationally and waving a weapon around, he must be stopped."

You are half right, defending themselves is paramount, I already told you that protecting the public is not their job.

You said: "What does it say on the side of almost every police cruiser in this country? "To Protect and Serve". If they are not there to protect the innocents from those who would do harm, what the fuck are they doing?"

"Subject to narrow exceptions[2], the United States Constitution does not require law enforcement officers to protect you from other people, according to the U.S. Supreme Court. This notion contradicts our engrained perceptions, but it’s still the law today."

The Police are Not Required to Protect You — Barnes Law

To Protect and to Serve” – the ubiquitous creed emblazoned across millions of police cars throughout Los Angeles and indeed the United States. This motto is consistent with the common belief that police officers as well as other law enforcement officers are here to protect us.

www.barneslawllp.com

.

This information is easily available to anyone who wants facts.

I do see where your thinking is flawed though. When I say mentally ill patients you're thinking "Garland Greene", not your mom. Was your mom dangerous? I had a mentally ill uncle whose only vice was that he'd wander off sometimes. He was always recovered without incident. I believe majority of cases are like this one. Perhaps you know differently?

Have you burned a Target yet today retard

Wow you wake up mad? You should try women out(If you are not an incel). Seriously, a little pussy can mellow you out a little and remind you that world isn't such a bad place. Its just kinda broken.

FYI

We didn't burn any Targets in Atlanta schmendrick. Most of the protests I attended were pretty peaceful except the first night when they shot rubber bullets at us.

So you burned down the Wendy's in Atlanta. Are you proud of yourself?

You live in your mental delusion and pretend it didn't happen

LOL peaceful arson.......................RETARD ALERT

Second suspect in Atlanta Wendy's arson seen in newly released photos

Atlanta officials released photographs on Tuesday of a second suspect in their Wendy's arson investigation, after one of the fast-food chains was burned down, following the death of 27-year-old Rayshard Brooks.

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Woman suspected of burning Atlanta Wendy's may have been Rayshard Brooks' girlfriend

The woman, seen in security footage, may have been involved with Brooks.

www.foxnews.com

I still say you need some pussy.

I'd say that your reading comprehension is kinda low but you've probably heard that enough already so I'll just answer you.

"We didn't burn any Targets in Atlanta schmendrick. Most of the protests I attended were pretty peaceful except the first night when they shot rubber bullets at us."

I didn't attend the protest where the Wendy's was burned. I also left before the incident where a police car was set on fire. Before that all was peaceful.

Wendy's is not Target you imbecile. Please stop going to Target and asking for a #2. they simply don't have it.

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Pow yer dead

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

We are still forced to accept the fact that the police are striking out when it comes to the mentally ill.

You said: "Or maybe society is striking out by stigmatizing mental illness and not getting them the care they need."

Is this the case or isn't it? Obviously you can argue for the sake of it but do you believe what you just typed?

Yes.

Is it the peoples fault when an arrest of a mentally challenged person goes left and he/she is killed?

Nope. But the question is: Would the encounter with police have gone south or even occurred in the first place if the mentally ill person had received proper care and attention?

You said: "It’s a noble idea but unrealistic. Cops never know when they’re going to encounter someone who is mentally ill and often the situation does not afford the time to wait for a mental health professional to show up before the person can harm or kill someone."

One again you're incorrectly stating that police don't have time. This is wrong. Indirectly you are still parroting the fallacy that every situation requires cat quick definite reactions or someone is going to die.

That's not what I said or even implied. You're misconstruing my words. What I said was that any situation could turn into a life threatening situation. Most of them will not turn into a life threatening situation but the point is, you never know which ones will and which ones will not. This is why every situation needs to be approached this way.

Let me expand on this using my vocation as an example. I am a merchant mariner by trade and hold a U.S. Coast Guard captain's license. The industry I work in is offshore oil and gas exploration, drilling and production. For seven years I worked in Brazil in the oil industry down there skippering a cargo vessel. For four of those years we operated out of a major shipping and fishing port and the facility we ran from was a few miles up a river.

Being a commercial fishing hub, there were numerous fish processing facilities along this river and we encountered fishing vessels going up and down the river all the time. These fishing vessels were not always as diligent about adhering to maritime rules of the road as we were and as a result, we had numerous near-collisions and one minor collision.

These fishermen proved themselves to be overall negligent and unpredictable. I was on my toes the entire hour and a half run up the river because we never knew what these idiots might do.
They might angle for a port-to-port passing and suddenly change course at the last minute to pass starboard to starboard or - as on one occasion - suddenly veer right across my bow for no apparent reason. This required me to make a drastic heading change and throw the engines into full reverse to keep from running the idiot over. The Brazilian pilot on board taking us up the river was furious and stepped out on the bridge wing and called the guy a dick in Portuguese.

The point is, most of these meetings were uneventful, but I never knew if or when one might go south. Because of this, for the safety of the vessel and crew and the safety of other mariners, I was compelled to view each and every encounter and meeting as a potential collision situation in the making.

I grew up with a really good guy in Miami who became a cop(so I can't hate people for being cops), in 20 years he's drawn his service weapon 3 times and never shot anyone. He had a regular detail. Of course he doesn't represent every cop but he's also not an anomaly.

Great. For his sake I hope he never comes under fire. But it could happen at any time.

You said: "Protecting the public and defending themselves is paramount, mental illness or no. So if someone is behaving irrationally and waving a weapon around, he must be stopped."

You are half right, defending themselves is paramount, I already told you that protecting the public is not their job.

You said: "What does it say on the side of almost every police cruiser in this country? "To Protect and Serve". If they are not there to protect the innocents from those who would do harm, what the fuck are they doing?"

"Subject to narrow exceptions[2], the United States Constitution does not require law enforcement officers to protect you from other people, according to the U.S. Supreme Court. This notion contradicts our engrained perceptions, but it’s still the law today."

The Police are Not Required to Protect You — Barnes Law

To Protect and to Serve” – the ubiquitous creed emblazoned across millions of police cars throughout Los Angeles and indeed the United States. This motto is consistent with the common belief that police officers as well as other law enforcement officers are here to protect us.

www.barneslawllp.com

.

This information is easily available to anyone who wants facts.

When talking about protecting the public, I think you're misunderstanding where I'm coming from. I'm not saying the police have a duty to protect the public from any violence or threat that is not yet manifested. I'm saying that they have a duty to protect the public when it IS manifested. If officers encounter a situation where there is an active threat, they have a duty to neutralize that threat for the safety of the public.

The criticism and indictment of the Broward County sheriff and police officers in the Parkland shooting bears this out.

I do see where your thinking is flawed though. When I say mentally ill patients you're thinking "Garland Greene", not your mom. Was your mom dangerous? I had a mentally ill uncle whose only vice was that he'd wander off sometimes. He was always recovered without incident. I believe majority of cases are like this one. Perhaps you know differently?

Once again, you're citing numbers when that is not what I'm talking about.

Let me give a hypothetical. When driving I always wear my seatbelt. However, up until a few years ago, I had never been in an accident or even a fender bender. Theoretically, I could have gone all those years driving without a seatbelt, never having an accident and would never have gotten hurt.

If you had driven for thirty years without a seatbelt and never getting hurt and then one day you have an accident. You've been thrown around the inside of the car and sustained serious injuries and could even have died. Would you or would you not start wearing a seatbelt from that day forward?

Most people go their entire lives never having had an accident or having a serious one. But it only takes that one accident to kill you if you are unprepared or don't take proper precautions.

 

[CoolPapaCash]

We are still forced to accept the fact that the police are striking out when it comes to the mentally ill.

You said: "Or maybe society is striking out by stigmatizing mental illness and not getting them the care they need."

Is this the case or isn't it? Obviously you can argue for the sake of it but do you believe what you just typed?

Yes.

Is it the peoples fault when an arrest of a mentally challenged person goes left and he/she is killed?

Nope. But the question is: Would the encounter with police have gone south or even occurred in the first place if the mentally ill person had received proper care and attention?

You said: "It’s a noble idea but unrealistic. Cops never know when they’re going to encounter someone who is mentally ill and often the situation does not afford the time to wait for a mental health professional to show up before the person can harm or kill someone."

One again you're incorrectly stating that police don't have time. This is wrong. Indirectly you are still parroting the fallacy that every situation requires cat quick definite reactions or someone is going to die.

That's not what I said or even implied. You're misconstruing my words. What I said was that any situation could turn into a life threatening situation. Most of them will not turn into a life threatening situation but the point is, you never know which ones will and which ones will not. This is why every situation needs to be approached this way.

Let me expand on this using my vocation as an example. I am a merchant mariner by trade and hold a U.S. Coast Guard captain's license. The industry I work in is offshore oil and gas exploration, drilling and production. For seven years I worked in Brazil in the oil industry down there skippering a cargo vessel. For four of those years we operated out of a major shipping and fishing port and the facility we ran from was a few miles up a river.

Being a commercial fishing hub, there were numerous fish processing facilities along this river and we encountered fishing vessels going up and down the river all the time. These fishing vessels were not always as diligent about adhering to maritime rules of the road as we were and as a result, we had numerous near-collisions and one minor collision.

These fishermen proved themselves to be overall negligent and unpredictable. I was on my toes the entire hour and a half run up the river because we never knew what these idiots might do.
They might angle for a port-to-port passing and suddenly change course at the last minute to pass starboard to starboard or - as on one occasion - suddenly veer right across my bow for no apparent reason. This required me to make a drastic heading change and throw the engines into full reverse to keep from running the idiot over. The Brazilian pilot on board taking us up the river was furious and stepped out on the bridge wing and called the guy a dick in Portuguese.

The point is, most of these meetings were uneventful, but I never knew if or when one might go south. Because of this, for the safety of the vessel and crew and the safety of other mariners, I was compelled to view each and every encounter and meeting as a potential collision situation in the making.

I grew up with a really good guy in Miami who became a cop(so I can't hate people for being cops), in 20 years he's drawn his service weapon 3 times and never shot anyone. He had a regular detail. Of course he doesn't represent every cop but he's also not an anomaly.

Great. For his sake I hope he never comes under fire. But it could happen at any time.

You said: "Protecting the public and defending themselves is paramount, mental illness or no. So if someone is behaving irrationally and waving a weapon around, he must be stopped."

You are half right, defending themselves is paramount, I already told you that protecting the public is not their job.

You said: "What does it say on the side of almost every police cruiser in this country? "To Protect and Serve". If they are not there to protect the innocents from those who would do harm, what the fuck are they doing?"

"Subject to narrow exceptions[2], the United States Constitution does not require law enforcement officers to protect you from other people, according to the U.S. Supreme Court. This notion contradicts our engrained perceptions, but it’s still the law today."

The Police are Not Required to Protect You — Barnes Law

To Protect and to Serve” – the ubiquitous creed emblazoned across millions of police cars throughout Los Angeles and indeed the United States. This motto is consistent with the common belief that police officers as well as other law enforcement officers are here to protect us.

www.barneslawllp.com

.

This information is easily available to anyone who wants facts.

When talking about protecting the public, I think you're misunderstanding where I'm coming from. I'm not saying the police have a duty to protect the public from any violence or threat that is not yet manifested. I'm saying that they have a duty to protect the public when it IS manifested. If officers encounter a situation where there is an active threat, they have a duty to neutralize that threat for the safety of the public.

The criticism and indictment of the Broward County sheriff and police officers in the Parkland shooting bears this out.

I do see where your thinking is flawed though. When I say mentally ill patients you're thinking "Garland Greene", not your mom. Was your mom dangerous? I had a mentally ill uncle whose only vice was that he'd wander off sometimes. He was always recovered without incident. I believe majority of cases are like this one. Perhaps you know differently?

Once again, you're citing numbers when that is not what I'm talking about.

Let me give a hypothetical. When driving I always wear my seatbelt. However, up until a few years ago, I had never been in an accident or even a fender bender. Theoretically, I could have gone all those years driving without a seatbelt, never having an accident and would never have gotten hurt.

If you had driven for thirty years without a seatbelt and never getting hurt and then one day you have an accident. You've been thrown around the inside of the car and sustained serious injuries and could even have died. Would you or would you not start wearing a seatbelt from that day forward?

Most people go their entire lives never having had an accident or having a serious one. But it only takes that one accident to kill you if you are unprepared or don't take proper precautions.

Nope. But the question is: Would the encounter with police have gone south or even occurred in the first place if the mentally ill person had received proper care and attention?

No sir. That's not the question. It may be a question you want answered and you can ask it, but its not THE question. C'mon, you know that we can't mitigate every single situation with the mentally ill. There really aren't that many to begin with. The question we are all trying to solve is are police properly trained to deal with the mentally ill patients or the other sophisticated issues in their wheel house. Or would those situations be better handled by other professionals.

That's the answer I am searching for. Not excuses as to why police need to shoot first think next or always be on guard. I totally understand the need for apprehension in their job but a scared, hateful or compassionless man with a gun and in authority usually makes thing worse. See David Chauvin.

Miscontrue your words???

You said: "It’s a noble idea but unrealistic. Cops never know when they’re going to encounter someone who is mentally ill and often the situation does not afford the time to wait for a mental health professional to show up before the person can harm or kill someone."

You clearly said he often doesn't have time to wait. That clearly translates into the officer has to act now or he is pressed for time. Now you did mention officers viewing their job through a prism of mortality in every situation but not in this paragraph.

"When talking about protecting the public, I think you're misunderstanding where I'm coming from. I'm not saying the police have a duty to protect the public from any violence or threat that is not yet manifested.

I'm saying that they have a duty to protect the public when it IS manifested. If officers encounter a situation where there is an active threat, they have a duty to neutralize that threat for the safety of the public."

Its not their duty. They are not soldiers.

That's why during riots officers are standing 2 hundred yards away in riot gear. They don't care about those who can't defend themselves, who might be getting beat up or robbed, they care about their own safety first. Its hard to see them as heroes like you do.

The Parkland situation is a bad example

He wasn't being disciplined because he hid. He was disciplined because the school paid for a resource officers and when he was supposed to do his job he was CAUGHT hiding. If the police did not discipline him Broward county schools and likely Dade county would say hey screw resource officers why pay for somebody to run and hide. We can hire former high school football players for that.

Cops don't get fired for cowardice.

 

[CoolPapaCash]

Let me give a hypothetical. When driving I always wear my seatbelt. However, up until a few years ago, I had never been in an accident or even a fender bender. Theoretically, I could have gone all those years driving without a seatbelt, never having an accident and would never have gotten hurt.

And you well should. It is for your safety. But you are not paid by the public to drive. Whatever precautions you take by wearing a seatbelt are about your own safety, not the other drivers. Police are afforded the right to kill others so shouldn't they at least have to consider the other person?

What you're saying is because a few police died on duty they all have the right to see everyone as a potential threat to their life. Every traffic stop. Every domestic disturbance? Yet you'd be the first guy to say "Not All police are...(fill in the blank) or not all white people are (fill in the blank).

The vast majority of citizens are not murderers. So why should the citizen have to live with that same stigma as a person who is?

 

[CoolPapaCash]

MSN is liberal media. They reported it. So whats got your panties in a bunch?

Maybe the fact that it's another example of a rabid piece of shit monkey attacking good Americans...

WTF does that even mean? My question was to him based on his posting an article and his intent.

But is that why YOUR panties are in bunch? Because a rabid piece of shit monkey attacked good Americans? GTFOH! You can't hide hate behind compassion. You have no compassion. You took a shot at a black mentally ill person.

Well done soldier! (Slow golf clap)

How many BLM idiots died in Chicago today? Do you even know or care?

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Neighborhood homicide map for the City of Chicago for 2020. Sorted by totals and updated frequently to reflect the latest homicide trends & Chicago Values.

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Sure I care but this is what we call a red herring.

But ok lets discuss. What is your point of presenting these numbers?

So it's ok with you when black morons shoot black kids.........................

Genius pure genius

For a flea

All shot dead, and you are proud of the achievement. They were children not red herrings you fucking piece of shit

LOL! I'll bet you don't even know their names. If you care so much why weren't you at the protests? Do Black Lives really Matter to you?

Do you honestly think that pointing out crime statistics when people want police reform is going to shake me? This might actually the oldest trick in the book. Seriously. We call this deflection. You bring up another topic, that we both know you don't give crap about, and toss it out like a ball you expect a dog to chase.

Nah, I'm not chasing it. Police reform still needs to happen.

Nice try though. On second thought, it really wasn't.

You want to talk about crime in Chicago, lets talk, you wanna talk about police reform or the left wing media not reporting crimes by blacks, lets talk. We're not blending the conversations though.

So you decide.

 

[esalla]

MSN is liberal media. They reported it. So whats got your panties in a bunch?

Maybe the fact that it's another example of a rabid piece of shit monkey attacking good Americans...

WTF does that even mean? My question was to him based on his posting an article and his intent.

But is that why YOUR panties are in bunch? Because a rabid piece of shit monkey attacked good Americans? GTFOH! You can't hide hate behind compassion. You have no compassion. You took a shot at a black mentally ill person.

Well done soldier! (Slow golf clap)

How many BLM idiots died in Chicago today? Do you even know or care?

Chicago Crime, Murder & Mayhem | Criminal Infographics | HeyJackass!

Neighborhood homicide map for the City of Chicago for 2020. Sorted by totals and updated frequently to reflect the latest homicide trends & Chicago Values.

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Sure I care but this is what we call a red herring.

But ok lets discuss. What is your point of presenting these numbers?

So it's ok with you when black morons shoot black kids.........................

Genius pure genius

For a flea

All shot dead, and you are proud of the achievement. They were children not red herrings you fucking piece of shit

LOL! I'll bet you don't even know their names. If you care so much why weren't you at the protests? Do Black Lives really Matter to you?

Do you honestly think that pointing out crime statistics when people want police reform is going to shake me? This might actually the oldest trick in the book. Seriously. We call this deflection. You bring up another topic, that we both know you don't give crap about, and toss it out like a ball you expect a dog to chase.

Nah, I'm not chasing it. Police reform still needs to happen.

Nice try though. On second thought, it really wasn't.

You want to talk about crime in Chicago, lets talk, you wanna talk about police reform or the left wing media not reporting crimes by blacks, lets talk. We're not blending the conversations though.

So you decide.

Kanari Gentry-Bowers, 12, from left, Lavontay White Jr., 2, and Takiya Holmes, 11 All murdered in Shitcago

 

[Pilot1]

But, Eddie's OK?