Drunk. Check!
Black. Check!
Possesses knife. Check!
So I can easily diffuse this situation. Check!
So, can you tell at what point in sizing up this situation that 'common sense' became uncommon?
The point when a gun was not brought to a knife fight.
A gun is no magical tool. In fact, it's most likely inferior when you're in knife range.
I never mentioned a gun.
Just two idiots that tried to diffuse a drunken, angry, black guy with a knife.
They discovered that knives are sharp.
And most likely haven't had the thought that thru dumb luck, they are still alive.
They did not know that he had a knife or they would have called a BLM social worker with heroin to fix the guy up
BLM don't have social workers. And heroine is illegal. I'm not sure you know what you're talking about.
Actually kid BLM wants all police matters handled by SOCIAL WORKERS
High-ranking city officials called for eliminating the police department and replacing it with a "transformative new model of public safety." By Luis Miguel
www.thenewamerican.com
Now grow up you certified dumbass
No they don't you idiot. Stop getting your facts from Sean Hannity. They are going to simply let specialist handle certain situations that require it. Police do no need to deal with the mentally ill. They are ill equipped to do that.
Stop spreading fear and propaganda. Thats all conservatives have is fear mongering and lies.
Hey retard, the mentally ill black man here had a knife and slashed people, and you want Social workers responding
Says the Marxist moron
Black Lives Matter is a Marxist revolutionary movement aimed at transforming the United States into a communist dystopia. BLM states that it wants to abolish the nuclear family, police, prisons and capitalism. BLM leaders have threatened to "burn down
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Moron! Did I say social workers or specialists?
Yes, you did: “
They are going to simply let specialist handle certain situations that require it.”
And yes there are individuals trained to deal with out of control insane people. They do it for a living at mental hospitals every single day. The reason those patients are alive is because they aren't dealing with the frail egos of our police officers but trained professionals.
1.) Mentally ill people in mental hospitals don’t have access to weapons and there are always orderlies on hand if the person gets violent or out of control.
2.) Out in the world, a crazy can get his hands on any kind of weapon, same as the gangbangers.
3.) Sane people are unpredictable as evidenced by the murders we hear and read about every day (not to mention the riots). Magnify that unpredictability tenfold where the mentally ill enter the picture.
A “specialist”, whatever form that takes, is not equipped to deal with a mentally ill person who is armed with no officer, orderly or security on hand to protect him/her.
If any city or state adopts this type of policing or whatever you want to call it, I give them six months to a year before a specialist is seriously injured or killed. It will be inevitable.
You missed my question, it was did I say specialist or did I say social worker not did I say.... ohh forget it.
Okay, I get that. But that being the case you should have put the words “specialist” and “social worker” in quotes as I just did.
We are still forced to accept the fact that the police are striking out when it comes to the mentally ill.
Or maybe society is striking out by stigmatizing mental illness and not getting them the care they need.
Dealing with a mentally ill family member is extremely difficult. I know because my mother was schizophrenic and a manic depressive. It traumatized and scarred me and all my siblings.
I mention this because most people are not equipped to deal with this sort of thing and many feel helpless and alone and just give up. Thus, we often have people out and about in the world that maybe shouldn’t be and should be under regular care.
The mentally ill don't make up a vast majority of their case load(depending on who you ask) so maybe a task force with training to deal with the mentally ill and restrain them with the least amount of force could be developed in each city. This way the police can act a a support unit rather than the primary unit to engage the mentally ill.
This would be considered defunding the police. Why is that bad?
It’s a noble idea but unrealistic. Cops never know when they’re going to encounter someone who is mentally ill and often the situation does not afford the time to wait for a mental health professional to show up before the person can harm or kill someone.
Protecting the public and defending themselves is paramount, mental illness or no. So if someone is behaving irrationally and waving a weapon around, he must be stopped.
I don't agree with your assertion that dealing with the mentally ill requires cat like reflexes. Police like to create this myth that every single situation is a do or die situation where life hangs in the balance with each second they resist physical action.
You’re looking at it from the wrong perspective. You're applying an element of certainty to the issue that simply does not exist.
Cops don’t approach every situation as if it
is a do-or-die situation; by necessity, they have to approach every situation as if it
could be a do-or-die situation. Why? Because every situation
could be a do-or-die situation. And all too many of them turn out to be just that
.
In other words, there is no certainty whatsoever in any case of officer/suspect/citizen interaction that it will turn into a life threatening situation. But by the same token, there is no certainty that it will
not turn into a life threatening situation. Therefore, an officer must, for the sake of protecting the public and further ensuring that he/she will make it home at the end of his/her watch, assume that any situation could go south.
Allow me to widen your perspective a little more. Twenty nine officers have already been killed by suspects in 2020 and we're only seven months into the year. Of those, eight were domestic disturbance calls; six were traffic stops and one was a mentally ill person. And, as far as the debate regarding the white crime rate vs. the black crime rate, fully eleven of these cop killings were committed by blacks. That's 32% of the cop shootings this year. Compare this to the percentage of the black population (13%) and it means that blacks kill cops at over twice their population percentage.
All things being equal, of these twenty nine cop killings, we should only see four or five perpetrated by blacks.
If you were an officer of the law with a wife and family waiting for you at home and you knew that any situation could be dangerous, would you not approach each situation as if it could be?
The number of cop killings by shooting and the names of those officers can be found here at the Officer Down Memorial Page:
The Officer Down Memorial Page (ODMP)
Majority of the time that's simply not true. Most of the time officers have plenty of time to make smart decisions when they care about their detail.
And most of the time they
do make smart decisions. You seem to be forgetting or overlooking that fact. If we were looking at a situation where restraint and justified shootings were the exception rather than the rule, I'd understand your concern. But alas, that is not the case. In the majority of officer interactions, most behave professionally and most shootings are justified because
that is what they are trained to do.
In short, the situation is not nearly as bad as people are making it out to be and to think mistakes will never be made is woefully naive.
Police officers only have the option(training) to restrain and arrest the mentally. Maybe there is a better way. We should at least think about it.
The police have the imperative to protect the public. If this means a mentally ill suspect needs to be put down then so be it. All the social justice niceties go right out the window once it becomes clear a suspect is a threat.
We all got guns tough guy. All of us.
