Keeping guns from criminals - liberals, what is your plan?

[francoHFW]

For example, AGAIN:

Nothing here changes the fact that federal background check laws offer no exception for gun shows.
This eliminates the possibility of there being a gun show loophole.
You choose to be wrong.

My links say it's about PRIVATE SELLERS AT GUNSHOWS and else where. DUH.

This has nothing to do with background checks as prescribed by federal law.
How is there a loophole in the federal law?

"Private sellers" duh...

Which, again, has nothing to do with the federal laws regarding background checks.
The fact that you, as an individual, can buy/sell from/to another individual w/o running a background check is not a :"loophole" in the federal law, as the fact that you can do so in no way allows you to get around the federal law - and it CERTAINLY does not have anything specifically to do with gun shows.

You are utterly and completely ignorant of the issue here; this derives from the fact that you only possess the ability to parrot others.

"Private sellers" , AT GUNSHOWS, DINGBAT!!!! LOOPHOLE!!! Ay caramba....

 

[2aguy]

Nothing here changes the fact that federal background check laws offer no exception for gun shows.
This eliminates the possibility of there being a gun show loophole.
You choose to be wrong.

My links say it's about PRIVATE SELLERS AT GUNSHOWS and else where. DUH.

This has nothing to do with background checks as prescribed by federal law.
How is there a loophole in the federal law?

"Private sellers" duh...

Which, again, has nothing to do with the federal laws regarding background checks.
The fact that you, as an individual, can buy/sell from/to another individual w/o running a background check is not a :"loophole" in the federal law, as the fact that you can do so in no way allows you to get around the federal law - and it CERTAINLY does not have anything specifically to do with gun shows.

You are utterly and completely ignorant of the issue here; this derives from the fact that you only possess the ability to parrot others.

"Private sellers" , AT GUNSHOWS, DINGBAT!!!! LOOPHOLE!!! Ay caramba....

Yeah...and you know what moron....if a felon buys a gun from a private seller and is caught in possession of that gun..they can already be arrested...right now, without "universal" background checks. And how exactly would a "universal" background check work?

You guys want to get the guy selling the gun, not the guy buying the gun....admit that....you know that no matter what law you create, you can't stop criminals....but you can really mess up a normal, honest citizen if you can make them get background checks for every single time they sell a gun...to a family member, to a friend, or when they loan a gun to a friend, or a wife......you just can't wait to ruin their lives....while the felon goes on their merry way.

We are not police. It is not our job to take time out of our life to drag a buyer to a gun store or a police station to get them a background check when we sell grandpa's shotgun. The felon knows they can't buy that gun. When you catch them committing a crime, or just in possession of the gun....arrest them and lock them up.

That is actual gun control....but you guys don't want that do you....

 

[francoHFW]

Did somebody say no loopholes would end crime?? Just cut it over time. You people are out of your tiny NRA/Pub brainwashed little minds...

 

[francoHFW]

This would slow nutjobs NOW.

 

[2aguy]

Did somebody say no loopholes would end crime?? Just cut it over time. You people are out of your tiny NRA/Pub brainwashed little minds...

The current laws have not cut crime....every mass shooter has either submitted to current background checks or gotten their guns without them...every one. Criminals are not getting background checks for the guns they use to murder 8,454 people a year......

We are not cops. It is not our job to take people in to get background checks.

Right now, under current law if a felon is caught with a gun, they can be arrested...so arrest them when you catch them...no need to license any gun owner to do that, no need to register any gun to do that...that can be done right now.....

 

[2aguy]

This would slow nutjobs NOW.

It's not slowing them now. They get friends and relatives to buy the guns for them, or they steal them...that bypasses current federally required background checks and those techniques will bypass "universal" background checks.....

What don't you get about being able to arrest people who commit crimes with guns right now under current law, or the ability to arrest felons right now under current law.

When you make contact with the criminal or the felon...you can arrest them if they have a gun......it is as simple as that.

The problem....prosecutors and judges will not lock up criminals who use guns. That is the only problem that needs to be fixed.

 

[2aguy]

Did somebody say no loopholes would end crime?? Just cut it over time. You people are out of your tiny NRA/Pub brainwashed little minds...

You know...you guys here "license gun owners," and "register all guns," and you start to drool.....you are the brainwashed rubes.....there is no need to do either thing.....you just arrest people who break the law with guns....

What can't you guys understand about that...and you can make "universal" sooper dooper, extra special background checks....and criminals will get friends and relatives to buy their guns or just steal them.....just like they do now....

But with the new checks....more paperwork, more police manpower, and more money...to accomplish nothing....but...it does allow you to punish normal people who want to own guns.

Come on...admit it. All you really care about is punishing people who want to own a gun...be brave, just admit it.

 

[francoHFW]

Nutjobs don't socialize like that DUHHH.

Yup, verything's fine. Ay caramba, dolts.

 

[2aguy]

Nutjobs don't socialize like that DUHHH.

Yup, verything's fine. Ay caramba, dolts.

The main way criminals get guns.....straw purchases/friends and relatives buying for them because they can get past background checks....and stealing them....and buying already stolen guns.

Gun shows....about 1% of criminal guns come from there.......and if you used police resources conducting stings at gun shows you could lower that even more...all without hassling normal, law abiding gun owners...

 

[francoHFW]

What about nutjobs, parrot? Can you THINK? lol

 

[2aguy]

What about nutjobs, parrot? Can you THINK? lol

what about them Borg drone......the Sandy Hook shooter had no mental health flags that would have stopped him from passing a background check.....the same for the Colorado theater shooter....he did not have anything that would have stopped him in his mental health history....,,

Let's say you do put mental health info. In the system.....then the nut jobs will steal their guns...just like the Sandy Hook shooter did...or buy them illegally like the Columbine shooters did........

Again...you guys push for it knowing it won't stop criminals or mass shooters.

but as we learned from Britain...they now want to require...require, normal people without mental health issues to go and get examined, and get a note from a mental health professional before they can get permission to own a gun...and those in the news report said that no Doctor, under threat of being sued if their patient goes on a rampage, is going to sign off on that....


That is the next step and one that needs to be addressed...we know what you guys want and how you think and we aren't going to submit to your irrational fear of guns.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What about nutjobs, parrot? Can you THINK? lol

what about them Borg drone......the Sandy Hook shooter had no mental health flags that would have stopped him from passing a background check.....the same for the Colorado theater shooter....he did not have anything that would have stopped him in his mental health history....,,

Let's say you do put mental health info. In the system.....then the nut jobs will steal their guns...just like the Sandy Hook shooter did...or buy them illegally like the Columbine shooters did........

Again...you guys push for it knowing it won't stop criminals or mass shooters.

but as we learned from Britain...they now want to require...require, normal people without mental health issues to go and get examined, and get a note from a mental health professional before they can get permission to own a gun...and those in the news report said that no Doctor, under threat of being sued if their patient goes on a rampage, is going to sign off on that....


That is the next step and one that needs to be addressed...we know what you guys want and how you think and we aren't going to submit to your irrational fear of guns.

That is a good point. Liberals get what they want through taxation or lawsuits. People who are not a threat to society will have a shrink report them to the government anyway so they can't buy a gun just to escape liability. When the media addresses the problem and everybody learns about it, those in need of psychological help will avoid getting that help just so they don't end up on that list.

 

[kaz]

Nutjobs don't socialize like that DUHHH.

Yup, verything's fine. Ay caramba, dolts.

The main way criminals get guns.....straw purchases/friends and relatives buying for them because they can get past background checks....and stealing them....and buying already stolen guns.

Gun shows....about 1% of criminal guns come from there.......and if you used police resources conducting stings at gun shows you could lower that even more...all without hassling normal, law abiding gun owners...

Note liberals don't bring up how the actual guns used in actual crimes were actually attained, doesn't fit the narrative

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So I'm reading my local news this morning and ran across this story. Nothing too unusual for over here, but I thought about this forum and wanted to ask the anti-gun people here how any law would have prevented this?

UPDATE: 14-year-old shot in the back on Cleveland's east side
Posted: Sep 18, 2015 10:08 PM EDTUpdated: Sep 19, 2015 11:37 AM EDT

CLEVELAND, OH (WOIO) -

Fifth District Cleveland Police Detectives report that a 14-year-old boy was shot in the back.

It happened in the 1400 block of East 115th Street just before 10 p.m. on Friday night.

The victim told police that he was outside listening to music with friends when they were approached by three teenage boys on bikes who shot at them.

He was taken to MetroHealth Medical Center and treated for non-life threatening injuries.

Authorities say this case remains under investigation.

UPDATE: 14-year-old shot in the back on Cleveland's east side

Obviously these "teenagers" on bicycles were too young to legally purchase a firearm. A seller would have had to broken the law to sell them a gun. It goes without saying that a background check wasn't done. So what law would have stopped these hoodlums from getting a gun?

 

[francoHFW]

Thanks to corrupt Pubs and the NRA (and of course the idiot dupes) we're awash in guns, so of course ending the private seller/gunshow loophole would take time to help, except in the case of nutjob massacres. You RWers are total functional morons at this point.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Thanks to corrupt Pubs and the NRA (and of course the idiot dupes) we're awash in guns, so of course ending the private seller/gunshow loophole would take time to help, except in the case of nutjob massacres. You RWers are total functional morons at this point.

Actually what we are are realists.

 

[2aguy]

Thanks to corrupt Pubs and the NRA (and of course the idiot dupes) we're awash in guns, so of course ending the private seller/gunshow loophole would take time to help, except in the case of nutjob massacres. You RWers are total functional morons at this point.

There is no gun show loophole....all vendors at gun shows must do the Federal Background check. What you are trying to make a point about, Private Sellers who sell at gun shows.......will just as easily sell guns to people without background checks as they do now........especially if they are looking to sell guns to people who can't pass background checks.....and if they do so knowingly, they can be arrested right now, with existing law....and your federal background check is pointless....again, the felon already knows they can't buy or own a gun....

 

[2aguy]

Thanks to corrupt Pubs and the NRA (and of course the idiot dupes) we're awash in guns, so of course ending the private seller/gunshow loophole would take time to help, except in the case of nutjob massacres. You RWers are total functional morons at this point.

Look...if you care about stopping criminals from getting guns at gun shows...you know, the whole 1% who do that....here is how you actually, effectively do that...

1) have undercover cops set up booths....when crimnals come to buy guns, they tell them they need to do background checks, if they say the can't pass them, they offer to sell anyway...if they buy...you arrest them.

No need to license gun owners, register guns or create "universal" background checks.

2) have undercover cops try to buy guns at gun shows...they go to vendors and private sellers, at the time they are going to make the buy, they tell the seller they can't actually pass a background check...if the seller says they will still sell them the gun.....arrest them.......

No need to license gun owners, register guns or create "universal" background checks

You would actually treat illegal gun sales like all other crimes....instead of trying to act like Tom Cruise in "Minority Report," and stop gun crime and mass shootings before they happen.....because we don't have "pre-cogs" to predict the crime....

 

[francoHFW]

Or just pass the gd bill lol...

 

[Ernie S.]

For example, AGAIN:

Nothing here changes the fact that federal background check laws offer no exception for gun shows.
This eliminates the possibility of there being a gun show loophole.
You choose to be wrong.

My links say it's about PRIVATE SELLERS AT GUNSHOWS and else where. DUH.

THERE IS NO FEDERAL GUN SHOW LOOPHOLE