Keeping guns from criminals - liberals, what is your plan?

[danielpalos]

good for you; i am glad you are discovering new things in life.

i am just looking for a good hammock to spend some quality time on, every once in a while.

 

[2aguy]

I suppose the way you combat alcoholism is to make sure everyone drinks? It's basically the remedy to gun violence; make sure everyone is armed to the teeth.

No…but you would think so since as a lefty you don't engage your brain. You treat guns the same as you treat every other problem….if someone misuses alcohol, you arrest them….if someone misuses a gun you arrest them.

Why is that dynamic so hard for you lefty, anti gun extremists to get….considering more people die because of alcohol than they do because of guns.

 

[2aguy]

why not simply muster the militia and perform a visual check of their equipment? gun lovers who refuse to register for posse duty can always be mustered for inspection.

You know, speaking of mustard, before I was vegetarian I liked hot dogs with just mustard. Now I love veggie dogs, but I like ketchup better on those. Though ketchup and mustard is good. I prefer not only mustard though on veggie dogs

A "Veggie" dog is not a hot dog…what it is is not something you can actually quantify…but it is not a hot dog….God be with you…….and your…..tubular vegetable product

 

[kaz]

why not simply muster the militia and perform a visual check of their equipment? gun lovers who refuse to register for posse duty can always be mustered for inspection.

You know, speaking of mustard, before I was vegetarian I liked hot dogs with just mustard. Now I love veggie dogs, but I like ketchup better on those. Though ketchup and mustard is good. I prefer not only mustard though on veggie dogs

A "Veggie" dog is not a hot dog…what it is is not something you can actually quantify…but it is not a hot dog….God be with you…….and your…..tubular vegetable product

LOL, this is quit a position of principle for you!

Whatever you want to call them, they are good

 

[kaz]

I suppose the way you combat alcoholism is to make sure everyone drinks? It's basically the remedy to gun violence; make sure everyone is armed to the teeth.

No…but you would think so since as a lefty you don't engage your brain. You treat guns the same as you treat every other problem….if someone misuses alcohol, you arrest them….if someone misuses a gun you arrest them.

Why is that dynamic so hard for you lefty, anti gun extremists to get….considering more people die because of alcohol than they do because of guns.

They are authoritarian leftists, they don't know what the word liberal actually means. I'm a liberal, a classic liberal

 

[2aguy]

I suppose the way you combat alcoholism is to make sure everyone drinks? It's basically the remedy to gun violence; make sure everyone is armed to the teeth.

No…but you would think so since as a lefty you don't engage your brain. You treat guns the same as you treat every other problem….if someone misuses alcohol, you arrest them….if someone misuses a gun you arrest them.

Why is that dynamic so hard for you lefty, anti gun extremists to get….considering more people die because of alcohol than they do because of guns.

They are authoritarian leftists, they don't know what the word liberal actually means. I'm a liberal, a classic liberal

I too am a classical liberal. And I actually eat real hot dogs too…….

 

[regent]

Make all gun manufacturers responsible for any misdeeds in which a gun is involved. Insurance companies will back this law as will many users of guns.

How American of you. You want to hold a company liable for something they didn't do.

 

[regent]

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Make all gun manufacturers responsible for any misdeeds in which a gun is involved. Insurance companies will back this law as will many users of guns.

How American of you. You want to hold a company liable for something they didn't do.

Exactly, what they didn't do is come up with some ideas to make their products safer.
The auto industry, for example, because of public pressure have created safer cars, who ever heard of some of the auto safety features fifty years ago? Gun manufacturers seem to have no responsibility as they continue pumping out weapons for profit, and the public pays with dead children and adults. They use the NRA as their lobby, the Second Amendment as their legal guardian. and some Americans love for guns as their base to avoid any meaningful legislation. Put some of the burden on the gun makers and they might suddenly find some methods to make guns safer?

 

[kaz]

The

Make all gun manufacturers responsible for any misdeeds in which a gun is involved. Insurance companies will back this law as will many users of guns.

How American of you. You want to hold a company liable for something they didn't do.

Exactly, what they didn't do is come up with some ideas to make their products safer.
The auto industry, for example, because of public pressure have created safer cars, who ever heard of some of the auto safety features fifty years ago? Gun manufacturers seem to have no responsibility as they continue pumping out weapons for profit, and the public pays with dead children and adults. They use the NRA as their lobby, the Second Amendment as their legal guardian. and some Americans love for guns as their base to avoid any meaningful legislation. Put some of the burden on the gun makers and they might suddenly find some methods to make guns safer?

That's just stupid. Just be honest, you just want to shut them down, which isn't going to solve a single thing other than profiting overseas gun makers

 

[danielpalos]

insist gun loving bananas muster with gun loving hammocks for wellness of regulation purposes.

 

[Ernie S.]

The

Make all gun manufacturers responsible for any misdeeds in which a gun is involved. Insurance companies will back this law as will many users of guns.

How American of you. You want to hold a company liable for something they didn't do.

Exactly, what they didn't do is come up with some ideas to make their products safer.
The auto industry, for example, because of public pressure have created safer cars, who ever heard of some of the auto safety features fifty years ago? Gun manufacturers seem to have no responsibility as they continue pumping out weapons for profit, and the public pays with dead children and adults. They use the NRA as their lobby, the Second Amendment as their legal guardian. and some Americans love for guns as their base to avoid any meaningful legislation. Put some of the burden on the gun makers and they might suddenly find some methods to make guns safer?

Gun makers make weapons capable of killing, not Nerf guns. They are not toys, they are tools.
Cars can be made safer because their purpose is to move people.
Guns cannot be made "safe" because that defeats the purpose.
The Car analogy is bullshit. What you want to do is more akin to making a lawn mower with no blade so it can't harm grass.

 

[regent]

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Make all gun manufacturers responsible for any misdeeds in which a gun is involved. Insurance companies will back this law as will many users of guns.

How American of you. You want to hold a company liable for something they didn't do.

Exactly, what they didn't do is come up with some ideas to make their products safer.
The auto industry, for example, because of public pressure have created safer cars, who ever heard of some of the auto safety features fifty years ago? Gun manufacturers seem to have no responsibility as they continue pumping out weapons for profit, and the public pays with dead children and adults. They use the NRA as their lobby, the Second Amendment as their legal guardian. and some Americans love for guns as their base to avoid any meaningful legislation. Put some of the burden on the gun makers and they might suddenly find some methods to make guns safer?

Gun makers make weapons capable of killing, not Nerf guns. They are not toys, they are tools.
Cars can be made safer because their purpose is to move people.
Guns cannot be made "safe" because that defeats the purpose.
The Car analogy is bullshit. What you want to do is more akin to making a lawn mower with no blade so it can't harm grass.

So why did gun makers put safety switches on guns if not as a safety feature?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Stating a fact [You're either stupid, or a damn liar. I suspect both.] isn't a personal attack, it's an observation based on your mendacity and lack our comprehension.

Stop lying, and - if you can - think about my posts. Misrepresentation is dishonest and is used by those incapable of writing a substantive rebuttal.

Thanks again, loser. You've proposed licensing and registration a couple dozen times but never once proven that this would be effective. When challenged, you resort to ad hom attacks. You've got NOTHING.

Please post the post wherein I proposed registration. On another thread I posited guns needed to be insured in case of theft and registered with an insurance company, not a government agency, so that if stolen, they could be traced back to the source. Laws can prevent the governemnt from accessing such a registration shielding the number and type of firearms from the government.

In fact I have no problem with registering my gun, why do you? Paranoid?

Who do you know that doesn't have their guns insured? That's automatic with home or rental insurance.

What type of insurance are you asking about? Theft of personal property for sure and it is good practice to keep a copy of the bill of sale and a photograph of the gun if stolen or damaged in a fire.

Liability insurance is different, some companies may find the risk to great and cancel the policy, others may raise the premium and deductible, based on the number and type of weapons as well as other factors.

If I had to guess, those with weapons considered to be "assault", and those with a large cache, are probably self insured.

All content is protected under your insurance policy unless you bought the policy from your barber somewhere. It doesn't matter if a thief steals your jewelry or your guns. You report it to the police and the insurance company for compensation.

It won't raise your premiums either because most insurance companies put you in an over generous plan. My plan for content is over $100,000. Why? I don't know, that's just how they make these plans. And I have thousands of dollars in music equipment in my home, and it's all covered under one plan.

Wrong. Check it out with your agent, and then research it on line.

 

[Wry Catcher]

"maybe" is the word I used. I do believe some gun owners (Zimmerman is a good example) seek out situations in their mind wherein they stop a bad guy with their gun. I also believe possessing a gun is much like having a couple of drinks, it can cloud one's judgment.

Yes, guns emanate evil, they could turn Mother Teresa into Charles Bronson, I feel you

Mr. Bronson wasn't evil, his character in all those movies made him a hero, likely movies watched over and over by Zimmerman and others like him.

Zimmerman was "evil?" Tell me how you're smarter than conservatives because you aren't all black and white like they are.

Trayvon and Georgie deserved each other, neither was a good guy. But I wouldn't call either of them "evil"

Trayvon was a minor, Zimmerman had a gun and believed that made him a man. IT didn't! He got his ass kicked by a kid, in a fight he started which happens to most bullie; rather than take his lumps like a man, he took a child's life.

He was a hero to most racists and members of the crazy right wing,

So where is this evidence that Zimmerman started the fight? The Martin autopsy revealed that Martin only had two injuries: a scrape on his knuckle consistent with hitting somebody or something, and a bullet hole that took his life. No evidence whatsoever that he was assaulted or attacked.

Zimmerman had two black eyes, lacerations to the back of his neck, a broken nose, and some minor back injuries.

So with that evidence, you would conclude that Zimmerman attacked Martin?

You should restrain your comments to things you know something about.

You need to read without bias and with comprehension. I stated above that no one but the two of them knew who started the fight, and one of them is dead. We have some evidence why the deceased was in the complex; Zimmerman had no apparent business being there. What can you infer from that evidence [both facts were common knowledge to those who followed the matter)?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Zimmerman is a gd idiot.

But an alive GD idiot. Without his legal firearm, that little hoodlum might have killed him.

"hoodlum"? Fact assumed without evidence. Unless you consider his race necessary and sufficient evidence that he was a hoodlum, in which case I don't need to assume what that makes you.

Prove he was a hoodlum. The fact that he smoked pot ain't sufficient to call any young person today a hoodlum.

 

[Wry Catcher]

The

Make all gun manufacturers responsible for any misdeeds in which a gun is involved. Insurance companies will back this law as will many users of guns.

How American of you. You want to hold a company liable for something they didn't do.

Exactly, what they didn't do is come up with some ideas to make their products safer.
The auto industry, for example, because of public pressure have created safer cars, who ever heard of some of the auto safety features fifty years ago? Gun manufacturers seem to have no responsibility as they continue pumping out weapons for profit, and the public pays with dead children and adults. They use the NRA as their lobby, the Second Amendment as their legal guardian. and some Americans love for guns as their base to avoid any meaningful legislation. Put some of the burden on the gun makers and they might suddenly find some methods to make guns safer?

Gun makers make weapons capable of killing, not Nerf guns. They are not toys, they are tools.
Cars can be made safer because their purpose is to move people.
Guns cannot be made "safe" because that defeats the purpose.
The Car analogy is bullshit. What you want to do is more akin to making a lawn mower with no blade so it can't harm grass.

And you claim to have some gun expertise and are honest. Evidence that you are not:

"A personalized gun, or smart gun, is a concept firearm that is designed to reduce the misuse of firearms through the use of RFID chips or other proximity devices, fingerprint recognition, magnetic rings, or a microchip implant."

Google

 

[Ernie S.]

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The

Make all gun manufacturers responsible for any misdeeds in which a gun is involved. Insurance companies will back this law as will many users of guns.

How American of you. You want to hold a company liable for something they didn't do.

Exactly, what they didn't do is come up with some ideas to make their products safer.
The auto industry, for example, because of public pressure have created safer cars, who ever heard of some of the auto safety features fifty years ago? Gun manufacturers seem to have no responsibility as they continue pumping out weapons for profit, and the public pays with dead children and adults. They use the NRA as their lobby, the Second Amendment as their legal guardian. and some Americans love for guns as their base to avoid any meaningful legislation. Put some of the burden on the gun makers and they might suddenly find some methods to make guns safer?

Gun makers make weapons capable of killing, not Nerf guns. They are not toys, they are tools.
Cars can be made safer because their purpose is to move people.
Guns cannot be made "safe" because that defeats the purpose.
The Car analogy is bullshit. What you want to do is more akin to making a lawn mower with no blade so it can't harm grass.

So why did gun makers put safety switches on guns if not as a safety feature?

To keep people from shooting themselves, not others.
The whole purpose for carrying a firearm is for protection. If I have to diddle with a trigger lock, retrieve it from a box or rely on some electronic sensor that recognizes my grip, I may die. Defeats the whole purpose.

 

[Wry Catcher]

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How American of you. You want to hold a company liable for something they didn't do.

Exactly, what they didn't do is come up with some ideas to make their products safer.
The auto industry, for example, because of public pressure have created safer cars, who ever heard of some of the auto safety features fifty years ago? Gun manufacturers seem to have no responsibility as they continue pumping out weapons for profit, and the public pays with dead children and adults. They use the NRA as their lobby, the Second Amendment as their legal guardian. and some Americans love for guns as their base to avoid any meaningful legislation. Put some of the burden on the gun makers and they might suddenly find some methods to make guns safer?

Gun makers make weapons capable of killing, not Nerf guns. They are not toys, they are tools.
Cars can be made safer because their purpose is to move people.
Guns cannot be made "safe" because that defeats the purpose.
The Car analogy is bullshit. What you want to do is more akin to making a lawn mower with no blade so it can't harm grass.

So why did gun makers put safety switches on guns if not as a safety feature?

To keep people from shooting themselves, not others.
The whole purpose for carrying a firearm is for protection. If I have to diddle with a trigger lock, retrieve it from a box or rely on some electronic sensor that recognizes my grip, I may die. Defeats the whole purpose.

You do have an idea (note singular use of the word). In fact the idea that no solution to mitigate gun violence in America exists. This is the Strength of your argument buttressed by it's your right and can never be infringed.

Both beliefs are untrue, BTW.

 

[kaz]

He got his ass kicked by a kid, in a fight he started

Yes, guns emanate evil, they could turn Mother Teresa into Charles Bronson, I feel you

Mr. Bronson wasn't evil, his character in all those movies made him a hero, likely movies watched over and over by Zimmerman and others like him.

Zimmerman was "evil?" Tell me how you're smarter than conservatives because you aren't all black and white like they are.

Trayvon and Georgie deserved each other, neither was a good guy. But I wouldn't call either of them "evil"

Trayvon was a minor, Zimmerman had a gun and believed that made him a man. IT didn't! He got his ass kicked by a kid, in a fight he started which happens to most bullie; rather than take his lumps like a man, he took a child's life.

He was a hero to most racists and members of the crazy right wing,

So where is this evidence that Zimmerman started the fight? The Martin autopsy revealed that Martin only had two injuries: a scrape on his knuckle consistent with hitting somebody or something, and a bullet hole that took his life. No evidence whatsoever that he was assaulted or attacked.

Zimmerman had two black eyes, lacerations to the back of his neck, a broken nose, and some minor back injuries.

So with that evidence, you would conclude that Zimmerman attacked Martin?

You should restrain your comments to things you know something about.

You need to read without bias and with comprehension. I stated above that no one but the two of them knew who started the fight, and one of them is dead. We have some evidence why the deceased was in the complex; Zimmerman had no apparent business being there. What can you infer from that evidence [both facts were common knowledge to those who followed the matter)?

It's in your own quote, liar. Then you tell Ray to "read with out bias and with comprehension?" Classic, can't make up the stupid that you actually are

 

[M14 Shooter]

Yes, guns emanate evil, they could turn Mother Teresa into Charles Bronson, I feel you

Mr. Bronson wasn't evil, his character in all those movies made him a hero, likely movies watched over and over by Zimmerman and others like him.

Zimmerman was "evil?" Tell me how you're smarter than conservatives because you aren't all black and white like they are.

Trayvon and Georgie deserved each other, neither was a good guy. But I wouldn't call either of them "evil"

Trayvon was a minor, Zimmerman had a gun and believed that made him a man. IT didn't! He got his ass kicked by a kid, in a fight he started which happens to most bullie; rather than take his lumps like a man, he took a child's life.
He was a hero to most racists and members of the crazy right wing,

Why do you hate the fact that Zimmerman did not murder a black guy?

Why are you so stupid; or maybe English isn't your native language. Hmm, do you and Sarah Palin both speak American? Syntax isn't your forte.

You didn't answer my question.
You clearly hate the fact that Zimmerman did not murder a black guy,
Why?