Keep Finland and Sweden Out of Nato.

Sultan to swedes and finns:" You ask for help, but you do it without respect"

There are no more "allies" in the world. Naked selfishness and rule of brute force...
 
Turkish security forces found Swedish AT-4 anti-tank grenade launchers, as well as other weapons and ammunition in a cave in northern Iraq used by militants of the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), recognized in Turkey and the EU as a terrorist organization. This is reported by the Turkish Anadolu news agency.
The cave was taken during the assault as part of Operation "Claw-Castle", which began on April 17.

As a cherry on the cake, comparing the serial numbers of the grenade launchers will show that all this was delivered to help Ukraine :abgg2q.jpg:
Sweden is a sponsor of terrorism! It is necessary to impose some international sanctions on it.

AT-4 is licence produced in USA, USA is flooding Middle-East with weapons for decades.
 
No. It’s about fear. Putin is a rabid evil scumbag.
Definitely no. There is no such thing, as an _evil_ (or nice) leader of a nuclear state. The very conception of deterrence is based on the idea, that any leader of a nuclear state is a rational thinking person and prefer to protect his people rather than kill people in other states, but if it is necessary he is ready to kill millions of human beings by pushing the button. If even one of this assumptions is wrong... Yes, then we are in a nuclear war.
There is no way to deter really irrational or evil person.


If we make all of our decisions based on the prospect of how that bastard might react, then we are allowing fears to limit our own freedom of choice.
If we are not calculating possible reactions of other nuclear decision-makers - our own freedom of choice will be limited by a nuclear war.

Sure, we shouldn’t necessarily poke the bear for no reason, but it is (in my estimation) a serious mistake to allow the evil bastard to otherwise limit our options — especially options regarding response to the bear’s aggression.
Putin is not a bear. Putin (as well as most of the other Russian decision-makers) is a rational-thinking human being, acting in the really complicated circumstances.
Let's imagine a situation. There are two guys - Joe and Vlad. Both have big guns in their holsters. Joe, also, has a big axe and Vlad has only a knife. If Joe, sceaming unspeakable obscenities and wielding the axe (still in blood of his previous victims) is approaching to Vlad, it's only a question of time, when Vlad will open his holster and more or less politely ask him to stop and make few steps backward. And then Joe has a very simple choice -
1) If he is really determined to kill Vlad - he has to stop playing fool with the axe and try to take his gun and shoot him;
2) If he don't want to gamble with his life (or even to commit a murder-suicide) he can make few steps backward;
3) He may consider that Vlad is bluffing, continue his approach with the axe in his hands and the gun in his holster even when Vlad is taking his gun out of his one. And then, it's pretty clear, Joe has almost all chances to be killed.
 
There will be no gamble. If there is a nuclear war, Russia will lose along with everyone else.
You think so. American and Russian decision-makers are sure, that nuclear war is possible because it is winnable.
NATO will not attack Russia first.

If Russia wants to avoid war with NATO, all Russia has to do is not start one.
But the Russians are sure, that NATO proxies already attacked them.

Except it is true.



That was probably carried out by Putin and the KGB.
Even Ukrainians don't say that. Just read about it. And yes, KGB exists only in Belarus. It's FSB in Russian Federation, SBU in Ukraine, MGB in DPR and LPR.
 
Definitely no. There is no such thing, as an _evil_ (or nice) leader of a nuclear state. The very conception of deterrence is based on the idea, that any leader of a nuclear state is a rational thinking person and prefer to protect his people rather than kill people in other states, but if it is necessary he is ready to kill millions of human beings by pushing the button. If even one of this assumptions is wrong... Yes, then we are in a nuclear war.
There is no way to deter really irrational or evil person.



If we are not calculating possible reactions of other nuclear decision-makers - our own freedom of choice will be limited by a nuclear war.


Putin is not a bear. Putin (as well as most of the other Russian decision-makers) is a rational-thinking human being, acting in the really complicated circumstances.
Let's imagine a situation. There are two guys - Joe and Vlad. Both have big guns in their holsters. Joe, also, has a big axe and Vlad has only a knife. If Joe, sceaming unspeakable obscenities and wielding the axe (still in blood of his previous victims) is approaching to Vlad, it's only a question of time, when Vlad will open his holster and more or less politely ask him to stop and make few steps backward. And then Joe has a very simple choice -
1) If he is really determined to kill Vlad - he has to stop playing fool with the axe and try to take his gun and shoot him;
2) If he don't want to gamble with his life (or even to commit a murder-suicide) he can make few steps backward;
3) He may consider that Vlad is bluffing, continue his approach with the axe in his hands and the gun in his holster even when Vlad is taking his gun out of his one. And then, it's pretty clear, Joe has almost all chances to be killed.
Of course there is such a thing. Your argument hinges on a worthless premise.
 
You think so. American and Russian decision-makers are sure, that nuclear war is possible because it is winnable.

But the Russians are sure, that NATO proxies already attacked them.


Even Ukrainians don't say that. Just read about it. And yes, KGB exists only in Belarus. It's FSB in Russian Federation, SBU in Ukraine, MGB in DPR and LPR.

You're losing, loser.

Hope you haven't hitched your wagon to Russia being great again in your lifetime

LOL
 
You're losing, loser.

Hope you haven't hitched your wagon to Russia being great again in your lifetime

LOL
That goes for communist chins too

We deprnd too much on stuff made in china
 
Of course, when all brave Europe fell under Hitler without much resistance, the cowardly Russians started their cowardly war with industrial Europe and somehow won it ...
Do you really want to get the title of the Main idiot of the forum?

The Russians had no choice except to fight the Germans. Even a coward will fight back when cornered.

The British & Americans DID have a choice and chose to fight the Germans.
 
Russia also had the same choice, so it is conducting a military operation against fascist Ukraine.

WWII started when the Germans invaded Poland, then invaded Belgium, France and Russia.

Who have the Ukrainians invaded?

Nowadays, the Russians are surely behaving more like Nazi's then anyone else.

As has been said: "To do is to be"

Or is your idea of a 'Nazi' is anyone you don't like?
 
You think so. American and Russian decision-makers are sure, that nuclear war is possible because it is winnable.
Joe Biden does not think that a nuclear war is winnable. He knows that America will die in a nuclear war. He does though think that if there is a nuclear war, he will be able to kill Russia.

If Russian leaders think that they can win a nuclear war, they sure are going to be surprised when Joe Biden kills them.


But the Russians are sure, that NATO proxies already attacked them.
Thus far no one has attacked Russia. It has all been Russia attacking other countries.

Chechnya, Georgia, and now Ukraine. All attacked by Russia without provocation.


Even Ukrainians don't say that. Just read about it.
Ukraine doesn't have to say it. I say it.


And yes, KGB exists only in Belarus. It's FSB in Russian Federation, SBU in Ukraine, MGB in DPR and LPR.
I don't care how many times the KGB rename themselves. They are still the same evil organization.

Currently they call themselves the VCR or VHS or something. Something to do with the letter V. But they are still the same old evil KGB.


Definitely no. There is no such thing, as an _evil_ (or nice) leader of a nuclear state. The very conception of deterrence is based on the idea, that any leader of a nuclear state is a rational thinking person and prefer to protect his people rather than kill people in other states, but if it is necessary he is ready to kill millions of human beings by pushing the button. If even one of this assumptions is wrong... Yes, then we are in a nuclear war.
There is no way to deter really irrational or evil person.
There is no way to deter an irrational person.

An evil person can be deterred if you are able to break something that they care about.


If we are not calculating possible reactions of other nuclear decision-makers - our own freedom of choice will be limited by a nuclear war.
What is there to choose? If a nuclear war starts, launch a massive counterforce attack against Russia, then destroy Russian cities to match the destruction of NATO cities.

No need for choices. It's all pretty straightforward.


Putin is not a bear. Putin (as well as most of the other Russian decision-makers) is a rational-thinking human being, acting in the really complicated circumstances.
Let's imagine a situation. There are two guys - Joe and Vlad. Both have big guns in their holsters. Joe, also, has a big axe and Vlad has only a knife. If Joe, sceaming unspeakable obscenities and wielding the axe (still in blood of his previous victims) is approaching to Vlad, it's only a question of time, when Vlad will open his holster and more or less politely ask him to stop and make few steps backward. And then Joe has a very simple choice -
1) If he is really determined to kill Vlad - he has to stop playing fool with the axe and try to take his gun and shoot him;
2) If he don't want to gamble with his life (or even to commit a murder-suicide) he can make few steps backward;
3) He may consider that Vlad is bluffing, continue his approach with the axe in his hands and the gun in his holster even when Vlad is taking his gun out of his one. And then, it's pretty clear, Joe has almost all chances to be killed.
If Joe is fatally wounded, Joe has the ability to still draw his gun and fatally wound Vlad before Joe dies.
 
WWII started when the Germans invaded Poland, then invaded Belgium, France and Russia.
Who have the Ukrainians invaded?
I've already realized that you're an idiot, so my answer is not for you.
After the coup (completely illegal even by hypocritical Western standards), ukrainian nationalists staged terror throughout Ukraine. In the Donbas, they encountered resistance from the population. You know, miners are tough people. They defended part of the territory of their regions against the nazis. And the Ukrainian fascists for 8 years, in violation of the agreements in Minsk (which provided for the mutual withdrawal of troops for 50 kilometers), for 8 years fired their artillery at border villages and cities of Donbass, killing civilians and sending terrorist groups for individual terror.
By the end of 2021, the ukrainian nazi bastards was ready for the "final solution" of the Donbass problem, having gathered a strong and numerous group, pumped up with weapons by their Western masters.
And then there was the "aggression" of Russia. Totally unexpected! For western idiots, of course.
 
I've already realized that you're an idiot, so my answer is not for you.
After the coup (completely illegal even by hypocritical Western standards), ukrainian nationalists staged terror throughout Ukraine. In the Donbas, they encountered resistance from the population. You know, miners are tough people. They defended part of the territory of their regions against the nazis. And the Ukrainian fascists for 8 years, in violation of the agreements in Minsk (which provided for the mutual withdrawal of troops for 50 kilometers), for 8 years fired their artillery at border villages and cities of Donbass, killing civilians and sending terrorist groups for individual terror.
By the end of 2021, the ukrainian nazi bastards was ready for the "final solution" of the Donbass problem, having gathered a strong and numerous group, pumped up with weapons by their Western masters.
And then there was the "aggression" of Russia. Totally unexpected! For western idiots, of course.

If you post a reply to my statement, but say that your answer is not for me, then you are truly an idiot.

If what you say was true, why was it so impossible for Russian Ukrainians to organize throughout Ukraine to reverse the 2014 coupe? Couldn't they get arms from Russia to counter the Ukrainian nationalists? If the majority of Ukrainian Russians were against the nationalist government, why didn't they stage a counter-coupe?

The FACT is that it was only a small minority of Russian Ukrainians that were against the Ukrainian nationalist government. The only reason that there was ever a rebellion in Donbas is that Donbas is an extremely valuable industrial area that Putin wanted - and he supported that minority against the will of the majority of the Russian Ukrainian people.
 
If you post a reply to my statement, but say that your answer is not for me, then you are truly an idiot.

If what you say was true, why was it so impossible for Russian Ukrainians to organize throughout Ukraine to reverse the 2014 coupe? Couldn't they get arms from Russia to counter the Ukrainian nationalists? If the majority of Ukrainian Russians were against the nationalist government, why didn't they stage a counter-coupe?

The FACT is that it was only a small minority of Russian Ukrainians that were against the Ukrainian nationalist government. The only reason that there was ever a rebellion in Donbas is that Donbas is an extremely valuable industrial area that Putin wanted - and he supported that minority against the will of the majority of the Russian Ukrainian people.
Technically, when they were allowed to vote - they voted anti-nationalistically. When they had a choice between an Ukrainian Poroshenko with his motto 'Army. Tongue. Faith.' and a Russian-speaking Jew Zelenskiy with his 'Let's make a deal.' and 'Allow people to speak their own language' 73,3% of voters (even without Crimea and Donbass) voted for Zelenskiy.
And who said, that so called 'Russian invasion' is not a part of the 'counter-coup'?
 
Joe Biden does not think that a nuclear war is winnable. He knows that America will die in a nuclear war. He does though think that if there is a nuclear war, he will be able to kill Russia.

If Russian leaders think that they can win a nuclear war, they sure are going to be surprised when Joe Biden kills them.
Do you really believe that Joe really prefer killing Russians to protecting Americans? If he were - he wasn't allowed to become a leader of a nuclear nation at all.

Thus far no one has attacked Russia. It has all been Russia attacking other countries.

Chechnya, Georgia, and now Ukraine. All attacked by Russia without provocation.
It highly depends on your definition of the terms 'Russia' and 'provocation'. Chechnya is a part of the Russian Federation and it was invaded by foreign Islamistic militants. Georgia attacked and killed Russian peacekeepers and citizens of Russia. Ukraine tried to join NATO, started WMD program, attacked recognized by Russia independent states. From the Russian point of view - it all were cases of self-defense.


Ukraine doesn't have to say it. I say it.
So, I can say then that you are lying.
I don't care how many times the KGB rename themselves. They are still the same evil organization.
May be. May be not. But what is really important - the third part of this 'evil organisation' (Ukrainian SBU) tell now that they are allies of the USA. Should we take their words without a grain of salt?

Currently they call themselves the VCR or VHS or something. Something to do with the letter V. But they are still the same old evil KGB.
Do you mean SVR? It's not the whole KGB, it's just an offspring of it's first department.

There is no way to deter an irrational person.

An evil person can be deterred if you are able to break something that they care about.
And if they care about their people - they are not that evil.

What is there to choose? If a nuclear war starts, launch a massive counterforce attack against Russia, then destroy Russian cities to match the destruction of NATO cities.

No need for choices. It's all pretty straightforward.
No. Of course it's much more complicated. If you make wrong choices - you may lost the opportunity of the retaliation strike at all.

If Joe is fatally wounded, Joe has the ability to still draw his gun and fatally wound Vlad before Joe dies.
At the distance of forty feet and if both of them are ready - may be (it depends on how accurate will be Vlad's first shot and how good are his bulletproof vest and helmet). But if Joe is attacking with the axe in his hands and the gun in his holster and Vlad's gun is cocked, locked and pointed at Joe, then, at the distance of twenty feet, Vlad will put a bullet in Joe's right arm and suggest him to surrender, and then, if refused, he'll put his second bullet in Joe's head (who's left his helmet at home), without giving him a chance to take his gun and retaliate.
And Vlad should not compare risk of the normal polite conversation (it is already finished) and the gun duel. He has to compare risk of the gun duel and the duel 'axe vs knife'. And here the risk of a retaliation bullet (especially with his bulletproof vest, helmet and medi-kit) is much lower that the one of the 'axe vs knife' duel which can be just a form of suicide.
 
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The Russians had no choice except to fight the Germans. Even a coward will fight back when cornered.
Not always. Europeans, from Austrians to Poles almost didn't fight back and surrendered.

The British & Americans DID have a choice and chose to fight the Germans.
As well as the Russians they had the choice - fight or flight or freeze response. But it were Britons who revived the Germans and destroyed European security system in thirties.
 
We're still alive and kicking. I think it's a pretty good premise. The deterrence is still working.
I was more addressing the “there’s no such thing” opening premise. Deterrence can work maybe. And maybe it has worked so far. But that’s far from a guarantee it will work when a madman is at the helm. And I am talking about an aberrant evil scumbag like Putin.
 
When was the other "brutal Russian occupations"?
It began in 1944 and ended with the fall of the Soviet Union. Just ask the Poles, Czechs and Hungarians how brutal the Russian occupation was. Russia used military force as recently as the seventies to enforce the occupation.
 

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