Kavanaugh Asks if Texas Abortion Law Could Be Model for Bans on Gun Rights

Both the 4th and 9th amendments to the Constitution cover this.
Along with the Fifth and 14th Amendments.

Where, anywhere in these Amendments or in the Constitution as a whole, does it come anywhere close to affirming any right to brutally murder an innocent human being in cold blood? Where doe sit even hint at any such thing?
 
I was thinking the same about your claim.
Post 336.

"If it can be removed by a 5-4 ruling by the Supreme Court, it is not a right. Roe v Wade is an interpreted privilege, nothing more. The 2nd Amendment is a right, even a 9-0 ruling by the Supreme Court cannot get it out of the Constitution".

You're FOS.

You don't understand how any of this stuff works.

As a programmed statist, your brain can not comprehend the foundational principles of the US Constitution.

The founders / framers of the USA embraced and based their governmental model on the principles of conferred powers and retained rights. The entire establishment of the US government and every action it takes is bound by this principle; the people empower government by surrendering certain specific powers in a limited, delegated fashion.

This established the principle that government cannot legitimately be arbitrary over the lives and fortunes of the people because government's power is only the sum of those limited powers the members of the society gives up to the legislative assembly.

Under these principles, government only keeps that power with the consent of the governed and the citizens retained everything not delegated to the government. Our rights were understood to be inherent and among those rights a subset, called un/inalienable rights, were considered of such intrinsic value to being human that a person, even willingly, cannot confer them.

The government is contractually bound to treat our rights as inherent, existing before the Constitution, imbued in us simply by our capability of reason and the Supreme Court has never wavered in upholding / enforcing that principle, from our very beginning and including the decision you liberty hating leftist love to hate:

"The right of acquiring and possessing property, and having it protected, is one of the natural, inherent, and unalienable rights of man. Men have a sense of property: Property is necessary to their subsistence, and correspondent to their natural wants and desires; its security was one of the objects, that induced them to unite in society. No man would become a member of a community, in which he could not enjoy the fruits of his honest labour and industry. . . The constitution expressly declares, that the right of acquiring, possessing, and protecting property is natural, inherent, and unalienable. It is a right not ex gratia from the legislature, but ex debito from the constitution. . . Vanhorne's Lesse v. Dorrance, 2 U.S. 304 (1795)​
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"The very purpose of the Bill of Rights was to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts. One's right to life, liberty, and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and assembly, and other fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote they depend on the outcome of no elections." -- West Virginia State Bd. of Ed. v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624, 638 (1943)​
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"The first ten amendments to the Constitution, adopted as they were soon after the adoption of the Constitution, are in the nature of a bill of rights, and were adopted in order to quiet the apprehension of many, that without some such declaration of rights the government would assume, and might be held to possess, the power to trespass upon those rights of persons and property which by the Declaration of Independence were affirmed to be unalienable rights." -- United States v. Twin City Power Co., 350 U.S. 222 (1956)​
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"Putting all of these textual elements together, we find that they guarantee the individual right to possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation. This meaning is strongly confirmed by the historical background of the Second Amendment . We look to this because it has always been widely understood that the Second Amendment , like the First and Fourth Amendments, codified a pre-existing right. The very text of the Second Amendment implicitly recognizes the pre-existence of the right and declares only that it “shall not be infringed.” As we said in United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542, 553 (1876) , “[t]his is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. The Second amendment declares that it shall not be infringed … .” -- DC v. Heller, 478 F. 3d 370, (2008)​

This principle, this inviolate rule for the operation of our government, does not in any manner depend on your ignorant leftist beliefs . . . ALWAYS remember, Marx was not a founding father, your collectivist beliefs have no import on operation of the US Constitution.

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"The 2nd Amendment is a right, even a 9-0 ruling by the Supreme Court cannot get it out of the Constitution".
Who do you think wrote the constitution?
Why do you think it was amended 27 times?
When it is amended to remove the 2nd, let us know.
His point, which you apparently do not understand, is the enumerated rights do not depend on the constitution for their existence.
Why do you disagree?
 
The Texas anti-privacy rights measure is still in place because the Supreme Court is dominated by authoritarian rightwing ideologues who have nothing but contempt for the right to privacy and settled, accepted precedent.
^^^^^
This is a lie, as you know the constitutionality of the TX abortion ban has not been a question before the court.

Thus, you believe the TX abortion ban is constitutional.
 
When it is amended to remove the 2nd, let us know.
His point, which you apparently do not understand, is the enumerated rights do not depend on the constitution for their existence.
Why do you disagree?

What these leftist statist authoritarians don't realize is how absurd they sound, how completely divorced their ideas are from the founding principles of the Constitution.

They just can't comprehend how the right can exist without being granted or established by the 2nd Amendment.

It would not surprise me to hear them speculate that to stop injuries and deaths from falls, we should revise or even rescind Newton's Law of Gravitation from physics books . . . Problem solved, the words creating gravity have been removed!

Their ideas about the right to arms and the 2nd Amendment sound that absurd to me.
 
That's a kwanzaa argument, that in order to be oppose the the cold-blooded murder of human beings, that I must consider myself obligated to agree with whatever pollical agenda you want to claim for the benefit of human beings.

We are talking about the deaths of children. That is what you are talking about isn’t it?
 
I'll gladly lump all serious criminal in with that. As far as I am concerned, there is some line of criminality, some point of being willing to unjustifiably cause harm and loss to human beings, where one forfeits one's own humanity.
No!

In Canada and Scandinavia, even the worst criminals are treated humanely.
 
As much as it has tried to usurp this power, and as much as much of this usurpation has been allowed to stand, the Supreme Court cannot change the Constitution. It cannot add to the Constitution, what is not written therein, and it cannot remove from the Constitution what is written therein. Only by the Amendment process, can the Constitution legitimately be altered.
Another Trump U. constitutional "law" school correspondence school "gradiate"?

1st amendment

Near v. Minnesota, 1931 “The liberty of the press … is safeguarded from invasion by state action.”

Although the First Amendment ensures a free press, until this case, it only protected the press from federal laws, not state laws. Minnesota shut down J. M. Near’s Saturday Press for publishing vicious antisemitic and racist remarks. In what is regarded as the landmark free press decision, the Court ruled that a state cannot engage in “prior restraint”; that is, with rare exceptions, it cannot stop a person from publishing or expressing a thought.

5th amendment
Miranda v. Arizona, 1966 “You have the right to remain silent …” After police questioning, Ernesto Miranda confessed to kidnapping and raping a woman. The Court struck down his conviction, on grounds that he was not informed of his 5th Amendment right against self-incrimination. Hereafter, the Miranda warnings have been a standard feature of arrest procedures.

6TH amendment
Gideon v. Wainwright, 1963 Defendants in criminal cases have an absolute right to counsel.
Too poor to afford a lawyer, Clarence Earl Gideon was convicted for breaking into a poolroom—a felony crime in Florida. He appealed to the Supreme Court, which ruled that the government must provide free counsel to accused criminals who cannot pay for it themselves. At first, the ruling applied to felonies only. It was later extended to cover any cases where the penalty was six months imprisonment or longer.

Most of the rights explicitly named in the Bill of Rights were held by its authors to be inherent God-given rights, to which we are all entitled, regardless of what is or is not written in the Constitution or in any other law;
WTF?
Who were the authors, that gave people god-given "rights"?
If these rights were "god-given" why didn't colonists have these "rights' before the constitution was written?
The government, claims they are "god-given", so why don't other countries have these rights?
that the Bill of Rights did not exist to grant these rights, but to acknowledge and protect them.
Huh?
So, the states already had all these rights before 1789?
 
You don't understand how any of this stuff works.
It's beyond evident, you don't.

As a programmed statist, your brain can not comprehend the foundational principles of the US Constitution.
Being a Trump U. grad, you think you do.
The founders / framers of the USA embraced and based their governmental model on the principles of conferred powers and retained rights. The entire establishment of the US government and every action it takes is bound by this principle; the people empower government by surrendering certain specific powers in a limited, delegated fashion.
So.
This established the principle that government cannot legitimately be arbitrary over the lives and fortunes of the people because government's power is only the sum of those limited powers the members of the society gives up to the legislative assembly.
So.
Under these principles, government only keeps that power with the consent of the governed and the citizens retained everything not delegated to the government. Our rights were understood to be inherent and among those rights a subset, called un/inalienable rights, were considered of such intrinsic value to being human that a person, even willingly, cannot confer them.
YES, they can.
Who gave you those "inalienable rights"?
Was it "god"?


The government is contractually bound to treat our rights as inherent, existing before the Constitution, imbued in us simply by our capability of reason and the Supreme Court has never wavered in upholding / enforcing that principle, from our very beginning and including the decision you liberty hating leftist love to hate:
WTF?
"Contractually bound"?
Yeah, the government's "contracts" are good as gold.

"Before the constitution"?
Really?

So, why did the states have to actually ratify ANYTHING?

  1. New Jersey: Articles One and Three through Twelve on November 20, 1789, and Article Two on May 7, 1992
  2. Maryland: Articles One through Twelve on December 19, 1789
  3. North Carolina: Articles One through Twelve on December 22, 1789
  4. South Carolina: Articles One through Twelve on January 19, 1790
  5. New Hampshire: Articles One and Three through Twelve on January 25, 1790, and Article Two on March 7, 1985
  6. Delaware: Articles Two through Twelve on January 28, 1790
  7. New York: Articles One and Three through Twelve on February 24, 1790
  8. Pennsylvania: Articles Three through Twelve on March 10, 1790, and Article One on September 21, 1791
  9. Rhode Island: Articles One and Three through Twelve on June 7, 1790, and Article Two on June 10, 1993
  10. Vermont: Articles One through Twelve on November 3, 1791
  11. Virginia: Article One on November 3, 1791, and Articles Two through Twelve on December 15, 1791[72]
    (After failing to ratify the 12 amendments during the 1789 legislative session.
Why did it take so long?


"The right of acquiring and possessing property, and having it protected, is one of the natural, inherent, and unalienable rights of man. Men have a sense of property: Property is necessary to their subsistence, and correspondent to their natural wants and desires; its security was one of the objects, that induced them to unite in society. No man would become a member of a community, in which he could not enjoy the fruits of his honest labour and industry. . . The constitution expressly declares, that the right of acquiring, possessing, and protecting property is natural, inherent, and unalienable. It is a right not ex gratia from the legislature, but ex debito from the constitution. . . Vanhorne's Lesse v. Dorrance, 2 U.S. 304 (1795)​
_____________________
"The very purpose of the Bill of Rights was to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts. One's right to life, liberty, and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and assembly, and other fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote they depend on the outcome of no elections." -- West Virginia State Bd. of Ed. v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624, 638 (1943)​
_____________________
"The first ten amendments to the Constitution, adopted as they were soon after the adoption of the Constitution, are in the nature of a bill of rights, and were adopted in order to quiet the apprehension of many, that without some such declaration of rights the government would assume, and might be held to possess, the power to trespass upon those rights of persons and property which by the Declaration of Independence were affirmed to be unalienable rights." -- United States v. Twin City Power Co., 350 U.S. 222 (1956)​
_____________________
"Putting all of these textual elements together, we find that they guarantee the individual right to possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation. This meaning is strongly confirmed by the historical background of the Second Amendment . We look to this because it has always been widely understood that the Second Amendment , like the First and Fourth Amendments, codified a pre-existing right. The very text of the Second Amendment implicitly recognizes the pre-existence of the right and declares only that it “shall not be infringed.” As we said in United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542, 553 (1876) , “[t]his is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. The Second amendment declares that it shall not be infringed … .” -- DC v. Heller, 478 F. 3d 370, (2008)​
So.

This principle, this inviolate rule for the operation of our government, does not in any manner depend on your ignorant leftist beliefs . . . ALWAYS remember, Marx was not a founding father,
You're the one who got suckered into taking the Trump U. constitutional "law" school correspondence course.
Trump is Karl Marx part duh!
your collectivist beliefs have no import on operation of the US Constitution.
 
When it is amended to remove the 2nd, let us know.
Wasn't referring to amending anything.

His point, which you apparently do not understand, is the enumerated rights do not depend on the constitution for their existence.
My point which you and Abatis do not understand.
The enumerated "rights" and the entire constitution depend on the government.
Why do you disagree?
Some nut-job.

December 2 2020
A week after receiving his pardon from President Donald Trump, former White House national security adviser Michael Flynn promoted a call for the president to “temporarily suspend the Constitution” and put the country under martial law.

On Tuesday, weeks after the election Trump lost, Flynn shared a press release from the right-wing We the People Convention imploring Trump to implement martial law. The statement drew a connection to what Abraham Lincoln did with his presidential authority during the Civil War.

“Then, as now, a President with courage and determination was needed to preserve the Union,” the statement says. “Today, the current threat to our United States by the international and domestic socialist/communist left is much more serious than anything Lincoln or our nation has faced in its history – including the civil war.”
 

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