Karoline Leavitt’s Former Sister in Law released from ICE custody

[toobfreak]

How about you just read the Jan 6th Committee report?

You should just STFU while you are ahead, pard.

Why don't you go on a program called Cowboy Logic and read some of the stories of what was done to some of the J6 prisoners and how their rights were abused, direct from the people who were there.

 

[Seymour Flops]

No, there could easily be policy that could be introduced that create pathways for people in this sort of situation. This is what the DREAM ACT is about. But it has failed in the past because republicans voted against it. Facts matter, and there are not that many loose ends here.

If only the Dems had thought to enact those great policies when they had both houses and the Senate.

 

[RedrickTheCoat]

If you honestly bleev that? I don't think there is much point in conversing with you.

Not the people rioting. But there was stuff going on behind the scenes. Trump and Co tried to use a false slate of electors to ideally overturn the election, or at the very least delay the certification. Trump wanted Pence to either accept these false slate of electors (meaning Trump would remain President), or to at least use it as a reason to delay certification so they could then take further action to try and keep the Presidency. Fortunately for America, Pence did not go along with this plan. This is not disputed. This actually happened and people have been put in jail for it. Trump was undergoing investigation for this before he won the Presidency again.

Read the Jan 6th Committee Report. Is damning, and it has actual evidence unlike the conspiriacy theories that all you guys believe with zero evidence.

 

[Seymour Flops]

What about those that can't afford a lawyer? Or for whatever reason didn't?

I guess if you are willing to talk yourself into any position, you can. There are any number of organizations that help illegals who want to gain legal status. If you ever find out that you were born in some third world shithole and snuck into the U.S. in an orange crate, just click here:

Immigrant Legal Resource Center | ILRC |

www.ilrc.org

She could have done something in all that time.

If she chose not to go to a lawyer because it seemed easier to just keep being an illegal since previous administrations didn't deport people, well that was a poor choice. But I suppose that runs in her family given that her parents immigrated illegally and put her in this position.

What if you found out today that you were in this situation, and you got a lawyer, and they said there is no clear pathway for you? Would you self deport yourself to a country that you've never been to and has a different language and culture? Would you think it is fair or reasonable that you had to leave this country despite being as American as anyone else?

I would say "Well damn! I wish to hell I would have spent the past sixteen years of my adult life getting legal status, even if it meant I had to go back to Brazil to do it. First my parents fucked up by bringing me here illegally, and then I compounded the fuckup by not lifting a finger to change my status! Maybe I should have played less poker, drank less bourbon, and chased less poontang, and spent more time doing the goldarned paperwork!

"Oh well . . . I had a pretty good run for someone who isn't even supposed to be here. Brazil, huh? I heard the women there got bigger booties than even AOC! Guess I'll be fine."

That's me, looking like a grumpy old man. She's a hottie, even if her voice is off. If I looked like her, I'd be fine.

She can find an American husband on the beach and be back here in no time.

The 2nd veteran in that video I posted was a Trump supporter, btw.

So?

No one is above the law.

 

[Seymour Flops]

It is really weird that the Democrats and "not Democrats" on this board constantly weep and lament about how the United States has the worst heatlhcare system in the world, the most racist police in the world, the most horrible president in the world, food insecurity, theocratic government, uneducated whites who all belong to white nationalist religions, and we live under the boots of the masked Gestapo.

But . . . the minute they hear about someone who might be forced to leave the Nightmare Dystopia (or is it a Dystopian Nightmare) that is the current day United States, they play it up as the worst possible tragedy.

How does that make sense RedrickTheCoat?

 

[Mashmont]

Imagine it: at six years old, you move to a new country with your parents, one with a different language and culture, through no fault or choice of your own. You grow up there. All your experiences, memories, friendships, and family ties are rooted in that country. Then, at age 33, while leaving your house to go pick up your kid(s) from school, you are intercepted by unmarked, masked agents, detained, and suddenly facing deportation to a country you may barely know at all. A country you might not even know the primary language of all that well.

Where is the humanity?

Former sister in law? No, they weren't even married. Pretty flimsy connection to Trump. But.....CNN

 

[RedrickTheCoat]

If only the Dems had thought to enact those great policies when they had both houses and the Senate.

Even when they had that, Republicans were still able to block it.

 

[RedrickTheCoat]

I guess if you are willing to talk yourself into any position, you can. There are any number of organizations that help illegals who want to gain legal status. If you ever find out that you were born in some third world shithole and snuck into the U.S. in an orange crate, just click here:

Immigrant Legal Resource Center | ILRC |

www.ilrc.org

She could have done something in all that time.

If she chose not to go to a lawyer because it seemed easier to just keep being an illegal since previous administrations didn't deport people, well that was a poor choice. But I suppose that runs in her family given that her parents immigrated illegally and put her in this position.

I would say "Well damn! I wish to hell I would have spent the past sixteen years of my adult life getting legal status, even if it meant I had to go back to Brazil to do it. First my parents fucked up by bringing me here illegally, and then I compounded the fuckup by not lifting a finger to change my status! Maybe I should have played less poker, drank less bourbon, and chased less poontang, and spent more time doing the goldarned paperwork!

"Oh well . . . I had a pretty good run for someone who isn't even supposed to be here. Brazil, huh? I heard the women there got bigger booties than even AOC! Guess I'll be fine."

That's me, looking like a grumpy old man. She's a hottie, even if her voice is off. If I looked like her, I'd be fine.

She can find an American husband on the beach and be back here in no time.


So?

No one is above the law.

How do you know what she has and hasn't done?

I keep asking, but what specifically could she have done to gain a green card? it sounds like she was going through some process, but some of the methods she might have available can take a very long time.

So as an 18 year old you would have said, damn you parents for bringing me here. I am going to use my money (as an 18 year old) to get a lawyer, leave the US back to Brazil, and then regain entry to the US? But then in 2012, when she was approx 20, DACA came into force, and there was talk about creating pathways to green cards for DREAMERS like her. So what then?

So as an 18 year old that has no money, you would be happy to go to Brazil find accomodation, find a job etc?

No one is above the law.

The law makes people like her deportable, but it does not require that they be deported. That choice is a policy decision about enforcement priorities, not a legal mandate.

What the Trump administration has done here, and in other cases, is inhumane and deplorable.

 

[RedrickTheCoat]

It is really weird that the Democrats and "not Democrats" on this board constantly weep and lament about how the United States has the worst heatlhcare system in the world, the most racist police in the world, the most horrible president in the world, food insecurity, theocratic government, uneducated whites who all belong to white nationalist religions, and we live under the boots of the masked Gestapo.

But . . . the minute they hear about someone who might be forced to leave the Nightmare Dystopia (or is it a Dystopian Nightmare) that is the current day United States, they play it up as the worst possible tragedy.

How does that make sense RedrickTheCoat?

Don't worry, you guys have retracted federal healthcare from illegal immigrants that never even had access to federal healthcare LOL.

You're missing the point completely. This is about someone that grew up in a country and that country is their home and they are being forced to leave back to a country they've never lived in. Like I've said in a previous comment, put yourself in her shoes. 6 Years old. How hard is it to grasp this concept?

 

[MisterBeale]

Not the people rioting. But there was stuff going on behind the scenes. Trump and Co tried to use a false slate of electors to ideally overturn the election, or at the very least delay the certification. Trump wanted Pence to either accept these false slate of electors (meaning Trump would remain President), or to at least use it as a reason to delay certification so they could then take further action to try and keep the Presidency. Fortunately for America, Pence did not go along with this plan. This is not disputed. This actually happened and people have been put in jail for it. Trump was undergoing investigation for this before he won the Presidency again.

Read the Jan 6th Committee Report. Is damning, and it has actual evidence unlike the conspiriacy theories that all you guys believe with zero evidence.

 

[MisterBeale]

but it's hard to know what that was.

Rule of thumb, if you don't know the whole story from what the media is reporting? The story is bullshit.

 

[Mac-7]

No, there could easily be policy that could be introduced that create pathways for people in this sort of situation. This is what the DREAM ACT is about. But it has failed in the past because republicans voted against it. Facts matter, and there are not that many loose ends here.

I hope republicans continue to vote against the Dream Act

The plan is to hide the illegal aliens and or black deportation for years instead of sending them back promptly to their own country

Then later grant them amnesty just because they managed to evade justice for so long

But I’m not buying into that scam

 

[RedrickTheCoat]

That's all you can do.

What do you think of Pence's comment here:

"I want the American People to know that I had no right to overturn the election. And that on that day, President Trump asked me to put him over the constitution, but I chose the constitution, and I always will. Anyone who puts themself over the constitution should never be President of the United States, and anyone who asks someone else to put themselves over the constitution should never be President of the United States again. But what the president maintained that day, and frankly has said over and over again over the last 2.5 years, is completely false"

But instead you'll believe conspiracy theories that have no evidence.

Did you buy Trump's Meme coin btw?

 

[Mac-7]

That's all you can do.

What do you think of Pence's comment here:

"I want the American People to know that I had no right to overturn the election. And that on that day, President Trump asked me to put him over the constitution, but I chose the constitution, and I always will. Anyone who puts themself over the constitution should never be President of the United States, and anyone who asks someone else to put themselves over the constitution should never be President of the United States again. But what the president maintained that day, and frankly has said over and over again over the last 2.5 years, is completely false"

But instead you'll believe conspiracy theories that have no evidence.

Did you buy Trump's Meme coin btw?

Pence could not overturn the election

But he did not have to approve the result either

At the time I thought should have refused to add his signature to the steal

But in retrospect trump was the ultimate winner since he used the intervening 4 years to learn from his mistakes and emerge stronger than ever

 

[RedrickTheCoat]

I hope republicans continue to vote against the Dream Act

The plan is to hide the illegal aliens and or black deportation for years instead of sending them back promptly to their own country

Then later grant them amnesty just because they managed to evade justice for so long

But I’m not buying into that scam

You guys are so easy to manipulate. All they have to do is say that anything introduced will turn into and be used maliciously to let more illegal aliens in.

The DREAM ACT was going to be for minors (usually before age 16) that entered the US and then resided continuously in the US for serveral years. It would have also included requirements such as GED, passing of background checks, no serious criminal record etc.

Instead, it seems that you would rather not have that, and instead have situations where people who have been here since they were 6 years old be sought out and deported because you don't want to buy into this scam. ******* ridiculous.

 

[Mac-7]

You guys are so easy to manipulate. All they have to do is say that anything introduced will turn into and be used maliciously to let more illegal aliens in.

The DREAM ACT was going to be for minors (usually before age 16) that entered the US and then resided continuously in the US for serveral years. It would have also included requirements such as GED, passing of background checks, no serious criminal record etc.

Instead, it seems that you would rather not have that, and instead have situations where people who have been here since they were 6 years old be sought out and deported because you don't want to buy into this scam. ******* ridiculous.

The Dreamers were overage anchor babies

The argument was “why punish the children for crimes os the parents”

But there was nothing in the law about deporting the parents whether the Dreamers stayed or not

Yes the Dreamers grew up here because they were not deported 10 years before as they should have been

 

[RedrickTheCoat]

Pence could not overturn the election

But he did not have to approve the result either

At the time I thought should have refused to add his signature to the steal

But in retrospect trump was the ultimate winner since he used the intervening 4 years to learn from his mistakes and emerge stronger than ever

The 'Steal' was clearly a lie though? You guys have zero idea the damage that Trump has done to democracy. What if democrat voters started acting like you guys? What if Democrat politicians came out and said some bullshit like Trump stole the 2024 election adn then Democract voters just blindly believed them. What if Kamala came out after the 2024 election, and said that Biden wanted her to overturn the election, but she had no right to overturn it and refused to go along with Biden's plan. What if there was an investigation and report that included emails, witness testimonies etc from Biden's own campaign that showed they conspired to try to overturn or at least delay certification through the use of a false slate of electors? That they tried to pressure Kamala to not accept the certification.

You ******* idiots would be outraged and calling for civil war.

If your dumbass is going to claim that an election was stolen, then you need to have a strong amount of proof to claim that, because the integrity of elections is very important to Democracy. But yet you guys treat it like nothing. You believe it's stolen without any proof, but then you don't believe that Trump tried to illegally interfer with the election process even though there is a lot of proof. Do you realize the damage that this kind of stuff does to democracy?

Read the Jan 6th Committee report.

 

[RedrickTheCoat]

The Dreamers were overage anchor babies

The argument was “why punish the children for crimes os the parents”

But there was nothing in the law about deporting the parents whether the Dreamers stayed or not

Yes the Dreamers grew up here because they were not deported 10 years before as they should have been

Yes, so you're a piece of shit that thinks that a person coming over here as 6 years old or younger, and then living here for decades since then deserves and should be sought out and deported.

 

[Mac-7]

The 'Steal' was clearly a lie though? You guys have zero idea the damage that Trump has done to democracy. What if democrat voters started acting like you guys? What if Democrat politicians came out and said some bullshit like Trump stole the 2024 election adn then Democract voters just blindly believed them. What if Kamala came out after the 2024 election, and said that Biden wanted her to overturn the election, but she had no right to overturn it and refused to go along with Biden's plan. What if there was an investigation and report that included emails, witness testimonies etc from Biden's own campaign that showed they conspired to try to overturn or at least delay certification through the use of a false slate of electors? That they tried to pressure Kamala to not accept the certification.

You ******* idiots would be outraged and calling for civil war.

If your dumbass is going to claim that an election was stolen, then you need to have a strong amount of proof to claim that, because the integrity of elections is very important to Democracy. But yet you guys treat it like nothing. You believe it's stolen without any proof, but then you don't believe that Trump tried to illegally interfer with the election process even though there is a lot of proof. Do you realize the damage that this kind of stuff does to democracy?

Read the Jan 6th Committee report.

You ******* idiots would be outraged and calling for civil war.

If your dumbass…

I see you are losing your composure and starting to hurl personal insults at me

Thats a sure sign that I am winning the debate

But I concede that the theft of the 2020 election was never proven

As I told you, all’s well that ends well

And trump’s delayed 2nd term is much better now than it would have been

 

[EvilCat Breath]

In other words, no relation to Leavitt other than through marriage. In other words, Trump and Homan did NOT play favorites here--- an illegal IS an illegal, even if distantly related to the Press Secretary.


In other words, a woman who through no fault of her own was brought here illegally, but then spent 33 years here as an adult knowing she was illegal yet never applied for legal status and is now miffed that even her loose association connected to one of Trump's administration, is not saving her from abiding by the law.

Sounds simple: leave the country then apply for legal status and citizenship like everyone else.

The woman was never married to Karoline's brother. She is a baby mama who lost all custody and visitation. So, barely an acquaintance. No relation. Not even through marriage.

She's here illegally. Send her back.