Just What is Libertarianism?

[DarkFury]

Libertarian....The idea that everyone has a right to make their OWN choices but does NOT expect others to pay for those choices.

 

[PredFan]

Okay, over and over again, I'm reading articles attacking this political philosophy. Here's what Wiki says about it:


Libertarianism (Latin: liber, "free") is a political philosophy that upholds liberty as its principal objective. Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and freedom of choice, emphasizing political freedom, voluntary association and the primacy of individual judgement.


If this is the case, why should there be so many attacks against what is, to me, the very foundation of Americanism? Is it a growing dependence on government? An indoctrination in the education system against self-reliance?


And the left – and even some conservatives, are attacking Doctor Rand Paul for being a Libertarian running under a false flag. (I like some of his views, but still would vote for an governor over him)


What do you think?

It really comes down to degree. There are many libertarian principles I agree with. However, as a philosophy it has the same problem as communism. It begins with the assumption that human beings will mold to the economic system when, in fact, the economic system always molds to the people. Any system, whether political, economic or religious, which does not recognize the nature of human beings and account for it is doomed to failure.

Libertarianism is MUCHore than economics

Okay, over and over again, I'm reading articles attacking this political philosophy. Here's what Wiki says about it:


Libertarianism (Latin: liber, "free") is a political philosophy that upholds liberty as its principal objective. Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and freedom of choice, emphasizing political freedom, voluntary association and the primacy of individual judgement.


If this is the case, why should there be so many attacks against what is, to me, the very foundation of Americanism? Is it a growing dependence on government? An indoctrination in the education system against self-reliance?


And the left – and even some conservatives, are attacking Doctor Rand Paul for being a Libertarian running under a false flag. (I like some of his views, but still would vote for an governor over him)


What do you think?

It really comes down to degree. There are many libertarian principles I agree with. However, as a philosophy it has the same problem as communism. It begins with the assumption that human beings will mold to the economic system when, in fact, the economic system always molds to the people. Any system, whether political, economic or religious, which does not recognize the nature of human beings and account for it is doomed to failure.

Libertarianism is MUCH more than economics. And have you been paying attention lately? Our current two political thoughts on economics hasn't been doing too well either.

I will grant you that, but it doesn't change my position. It assumes human nature is other than it is.

No one is saying that libertarianism is perfect, but basing ones politics on freedom and liberty is a better way to do it.

 

[Jesse Booth]

Libertarianism: I got mine, fuck the rest of you

I'm not gonna lie, that was pretty damn funny.

No, that's the Democratic Party.

Libertarianism is the second cousin to Bolveshivsm and a descendent of 19th century anarchism.

...I'm not sure what Bolveshism is supposed to be, but if you're trying to say Bolshevism, that's pretty stupid. How does Libertarianism relate, in any way, shape, or form, to Russian communism?

Libertarianism - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[chikenwing]

Libertarians need to acknowledge that the Government is .....We the People

They do,you need to acknowledge there is much more than just Government.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Libertarian: We believe in freedom and liberty
Republican: We believe in freedom and liberty
Democrat: We believe in freedom and liberty

Libertarian: We believe in free weed.
Republican: We believe in freedom and libery
Democrat: If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.

No, Republicans do not believe in freedom or liberty. Their actions consistently reflect that.

 

[rightwinger]

Libertarianism: I got mine, fuck the rest of you

Ignorance on display

 

[g5000]

Okay, over and over again, I'm reading articles attacking this political philosophy. Here's what Wiki says about it:


Libertarianism (Latin: liber, "free") is a political philosophy that upholds liberty as its principal objective. Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and freedom of choice, emphasizing political freedom, voluntary association and the primacy of individual judgement.


If this is the case, why should there be so many attacks against what is, to me, the very foundation of Americanism? Is it a growing dependence on government? An indoctrination in the education system against self-reliance?


And the left – and even some conservatives, are attacking Doctor Rand Paul for being a Libertarian running under a false flag. (I like some of his views, but still would vote for an governor over him)


What do you think?

The definition you quoted has flowery language that is meaningless. You could put "Republican" in front of that definition and every right winger on this board would salute it.

Resistance to Libertarianism is not the result of that definition. It is when you get into specifics that you encounter problems.

End the Fed.

Return to a gold standard.

Legalize all drugs.

Eliminate the FDA, FAA, USDA, IRS, and just about all other federal agencies.

Eliminate all federal laws against financial fraud.

Eliminate all federal safety regulations.

Eliminate all federal child labor laws.

Eliminate all federal environmental regulations.

Shrink our military down to the size of a cub scout troop.

 

[Jesse Booth]

Libertarians need to acknowledge that the Government is .....We the People

Congress has a 15% approval rating. Clearly, it doesn't reflect the will of the people, just the will of politicians.

 

[g5000]

Congress has a 15% approval rating.

And yet we re-elect 98 percent of them every two years.

Go figure.

 

[rightwinger]

Libertarians need to acknowledge that the Government is .....We the People

Congress has a 15% approval rating. Clearly, it doesn't reflect the will of the people, just the will of politicians.

We the People elected them
We the People deserve them

 

[g5000]

"I support my Congressman because he fights all that pork spending by those other assholes in Congress. I also support him because he brings home the bacon to our district."

Gimme, gimme, gimme and make that guy over there pay for it.

 

[Jesse Booth]

Libertarians need to acknowledge that the Government is .....We the People

Congress has a 15% approval rating. Clearly, it doesn't reflect the will of the people, just the will of politicians.

We the People elected them
We the People deserve them

"Therefore, Libertarians are idiots to want to support a different political party!"

Seems legit.

 

[Jesse Booth]

"I support my Congressman because he fights pork. I also support him because he brings home the bacon to our district."

Gimme, gimme, gimme and make that guy over there pay for it.

Congress has a 15% approval rating.

And yet we re-elect 98 percent of them every two years.

Go figure.

Depressing, isn't it?

 

[g5000]

Somewhere along the way, Americans dropped the Enlightened out of Enlightened Self Interest.

 

[rightwinger]

Libertarians need to acknowledge that the Government is .....We the People

Congress has a 15% approval rating. Clearly, it doesn't reflect the will of the people, just the will of politicians.

We the People elected them
We the People deserve them

"Therefore, Libertarians are idiots to want to support a different political party!"

Seems legit.

Nobody is stopping them from electing Libertarians.........
Except the voters

A Libertarian Congress would have a 1% approval rating

 

[The Rabbi]

Libertarianism: I got mine, fuck the rest of you

I'm not gonna lie, that was pretty damn funny.

No, that's the Democratic Party.

Libertarianism is the second cousin to Bolveshivsm and a descendent of 19th century anarchism.

...I'm not sure what Bolveshism is supposed to be, but if you're trying to say Bolshevism, that's pretty stupid. How does Libertarianism relate, in any way, shape, or form, to Russian communism?

Libertarianism - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

You would need an education to understand that. You clearly lack that. And spending 2 min on a Wiki article will not help you.

 

[The Rabbi]

Libertarian: We believe in freedom and liberty
Republican: We believe in freedom and liberty
Democrat: We believe in freedom and liberty

Libertarian: We believe in free weed.
Republican: We believe in freedom and libery
Democrat: If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.

No, Republicans do not believe in freedom or liberty. Their actions consistently reflect that.

Link?

 

[longknife]

Okay, over and over again, I'm reading articles attacking this political philosophy. Here's what Wiki says about it:


Libertarianism (Latin: liber, "free") is a political philosophy that upholds liberty as its principal objective. Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and freedom of choice, emphasizing political freedom, voluntary association and the primacy of individual judgement.


If this is the case, why should there be so many attacks against what is, to me, the very foundation of Americanism? Is it a growing dependence on government? An indoctrination in the education system against self-reliance?


And the left – and even some conservatives, are attacking Doctor Rand Paul for being a Libertarian running under a false flag. (I like some of his views, but still would vote for an governor over him)


What do you think?

The definition you quoted has flowery language that is meaningless. You could put "Republican" in front of that definition and every right winger on this board would salute it.

Resistance to Libertarianism is not the result of that definition. It is when you get into specifics that you encounter problems.

End the Fed = This I agree on.

Return to a gold standard.= give our currency some solidarity

Legalize all drugs. people want to destroy themselves, it's their business. Use the taxes to operate clinics and other medical treatment - or pay for the funerals.

Eliminate the FDA, FAA, USDA, IRS, and just about all other federal agencies. the Constitution established all the Executive Branch offices needed to run this country.

Eliminate all federal laws against financial fraud.= overdoing it

Eliminate all federal safety regulations.= revise tort law and reign in the shyster lawyers

Eliminate all federal child labor laws.= moderation?

Eliminate all federal environmental regulations. = overreach

Shrink our military down to the size of a cub scout troop = consolidate all military branches into one, reduce the flag officers and staff drastically, and make the civilian work force fully responsive to standards of conduct..

End the Fed = This I agree on.

Return to a gold standard.= give our currency some solidarity

Legalize all drugs. people want to destroy themselves, it's their business. Use the taxes to operate clinics and other medical treatment - or pay for the funerals.

Eliminate the FDA, FAA, USDA, IRS, and just about all other federal agencies. the Constitution established all the Executive Branch offices needed to run this country.

Eliminate all federal laws against financial fraud.= overdoing it

Eliminate all federal safety regulations.= revise tort law and reign in the shyster lawyers

Eliminate all federal child labor laws.= moderation?

Eliminate all federal environmental regulations. = overreach

Shrink our military down to the size of a cub scout troop = consolidate all military branches into one, reduce the flag officers and staff drastically, and make the civilian work force fully responsive to standards of conduct.

Everything in bold are my personal thoughts

 

[Skull Pilot]

Libertarian: We believe in freedom and liberty
Republican: We believe in freedom and liberty
Democrat: We believe in freedom and liberty

Democrat : We believe in freedom and liberty only if you don't have more than everyone else.

 

[Jesse Booth]

Libertarianism: I got mine, fuck the rest of you

I'm not gonna lie, that was pretty damn funny.

No, that's the Democratic Party.

Libertarianism is the second cousin to Bolveshivsm and a descendent of 19th century anarchism.

...I'm not sure what Bolveshism is supposed to be, but if you're trying to say Bolshevism, that's pretty stupid. How does Libertarianism relate, in any way, shape, or form, to Russian communism?

Libertarianism - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

You would need an education to understand that. You clearly lack that. And spending 2 min on a Wiki article will not help you.

Bolshevism is a particularly militant brand of communism that supports the overthrow of Capitalism. Libertarianism (with the exception of more left-leaning and socialist strains of the ideology) supports capitalism as the solution to most, possibly all, problems facing the world. I would need a railroad spike rammed through my skull to believe those were anywhere near the same thing.