Just Heard, 680 Illegals Scooped Up By ICE

[Bush92]

Nationalism. **** them kids. Their parents broke the law by invading our country and violating our national sovereignty.

K if my attitude is "F those kids" I have no business being in a classroom anywhere. Those kids can't help it. Their parents came here illegally and they were born where they were born. I blame the parents 100% and do not give the parents a pass simply because they have kids here. The kids' heartbreak is their parents' fault.

But that does not make the kids' heartbreak any less devastating. We can't make decisions as a nation based on that heartbreak, right? You don't NOT put a criminal in jail bc the kids will be heartbroken. But your heart should not be immune to the kids heartbreak nonetheless.

If 300,000 Mexican soldiers entered our country each year we would call it an invasion. We must treat this as a wartime situation. Sad, but true. So what’s your solution SweetSue? I mean I feel you...but these are pivotal times for our nation. BTW “teachers” and “preachers” are two different things. Teachers are not here to “save” anyone. So henceforth I have to be cold (which I normally am not) in these particular circumstances because of what the parents did by breaking the law and helping to bring drugs into this country. Sue you have a wonderful and big heart...but we must harden our hearts or lose our nation.

I'm not insensible to that. For one thing I know that these children's parents are not paying into the system. They are "freeloading" the education system and, typically, educating their children costs MORE than educating a legal citizen's child. so it's unfair, I get that.

I'm not saying these parents should NOT be deported. Don't get me wrong. I just feel badly for the children. Feeling badly won't change my mind about it being the right thing to do. It just doesn't deaden my compassion for the children. make sense?

Sue, I love children of all races...but under these circumstances if we are to save our country we must harden our hearts. It’s like when you brought the puppy dog home when you were a kid and your mom said you couldn’t keep it. Sure you got tears in your eyes but you had to go outside and run the dog off your property and let it fend for itself. Natural selection I guess. Sue, unfortunately these kids are dangerous to our country.

I don't know if you misunderstand me or what. I'm not against ICE raiding this business, the parents being deported, or even the kids being deported--but I don't think they can be because I assume they're US citizens. I agree with everything you say. We have too many illegal immigrants here and more all the time.

What you said, however, is "F the kids". I can't say that because I assume you mean by that we shouldn't for them; too bad. Well, I do. It would be like if a father is sentenced to death. I might feel like he deserves the death penalty. I might stand by that penalty and condone it even. That does not stop me regretting that the father has to die, and especially, that his children have to lose their father.

IOW the head agrees but the heart still feels bad. I'm not going to turn the heart off. I should not. I would be a crap teacher if I did.

14th Amendment is crap and new amendments needed to adjust it. You were an American before you were a teacher Sue. Trust me, I understand and what I said was “**** those kids.” Got to turn that emotional switch off sometimes. Sad but true. Teachers are under no obligation to try to save the world.

 

[SweetSue92]

K if my attitude is "F those kids" I have no business being in a classroom anywhere. Those kids can't help it. Their parents came here illegally and they were born where they were born. I blame the parents 100% and do not give the parents a pass simply because they have kids here. The kids' heartbreak is their parents' fault.

But that does not make the kids' heartbreak any less devastating. We can't make decisions as a nation based on that heartbreak, right? You don't NOT put a criminal in jail bc the kids will be heartbroken. But your heart should not be immune to the kids heartbreak nonetheless.

If 300,000 Mexican soldiers entered our country each year we would call it an invasion. We must treat this as a wartime situation. Sad, but true. So what’s your solution SweetSue? I mean I feel you...but these are pivotal times for our nation. BTW “teachers” and “preachers” are two different things. Teachers are not here to “save” anyone. So henceforth I have to be cold (which I normally am not) in these particular circumstances because of what the parents did by breaking the law and helping to bring drugs into this country. Sue you have a wonderful and big heart...but we must harden our hearts or lose our nation.

I'm not insensible to that. For one thing I know that these children's parents are not paying into the system. They are "freeloading" the education system and, typically, educating their children costs MORE than educating a legal citizen's child. so it's unfair, I get that.

I'm not saying these parents should NOT be deported. Don't get me wrong. I just feel badly for the children. Feeling badly won't change my mind about it being the right thing to do. It just doesn't deaden my compassion for the children. make sense?

Sue, I love children of all races...but under these circumstances if we are to save our country we must harden our hearts. It’s like when you brought the puppy dog home when you were a kid and your mom said you couldn’t keep it. Sure you got tears in your eyes but you had to go outside and run the dog off your property and let it fend for itself. Natural selection I guess. Sue, unfortunately these kids are dangerous to our country.

I don't know if you misunderstand me or what. I'm not against ICE raiding this business, the parents being deported, or even the kids being deported--but I don't think they can be because I assume they're US citizens. I agree with everything you say. We have too many illegal immigrants here and more all the time.

What you said, however, is "F the kids". I can't say that because I assume you mean by that we shouldn't for them; too bad. Well, I do. It would be like if a father is sentenced to death. I might feel like he deserves the death penalty. I might stand by that penalty and condone it even. That does not stop me regretting that the father has to die, and especially, that his children have to lose their father.

IOW the head agrees but the heart still feels bad. I'm not going to turn the heart off. I should not. I would be a crap teacher if I did.

14th Amendment is crap and new amendments needed to adjust it. You were an American before you were a teacher Sue. Trust me, I understand and what I said was “**** those kids.” Got to turn that emotional switch off sometimes. Sad but true. Teachers are under no obligation to try to save the world.

No, YOU had to turn off your emotional switch to do YOUR job. Do not conflate that with MY job. If I turn off my emotional switch I'm a crap teacher. Kindly do not presume to tell me what I need to do to do the job I've been doing (very well) for 25 years.

I agree with you, btw. In all the particulars. Now you're telling me I shouldn't feel compassion for the kids. WRONG.

 

[KissMy]

Pictures of crying children of those deported all over Twitter of course. And it is very difficult and sad--it was their first week (apparently first day, but who knows) of school. I get that. But if you're illegal in this nation you must know you take that chance--that you are here with that threat hanging over your head every week, every year.

Moreover, as much as my heart hurts for these kids individually, I also know how unfair it is for all the OTHER American schoolkids. Their parents are paid under the table (shame on the business too!) and so they are basically free riding their education. And their education costs WAY more than other kids, for English as a Second Language ALONE.

Nationalism. **** them kids. Their parents broke the law by invading our country and violating our national sovereignty.

K if my attitude is "F those kids" I have no business being in a classroom anywhere. Those kids can't help it. Their parents came here illegally and they were born where they were born. I blame the parents 100% and do not give the parents a pass simply because they have kids here. The kids' heartbreak is their parents' fault.

But that does not make the kids' heartbreak any less devastating. We can't make decisions as a nation based on that heartbreak, right? You don't NOT put a criminal in jail bc the kids will be heartbroken. But your heart should not be immune to the kids heartbreak nonetheless.

I say deport the kids along with the parents if the kids are not in school.

 

[KissMy]

Umm, drug cartels, coyotes etc are providing them for a fee. Are you seriously this stupid?

In the age of identity theft you think getting a fake SS number isn't possible. You're an idiot.

So no one is able to determine these numbers are fake? I can just make one up and start using it? Say I owe back taxes, just make one up and start over?

The ICE raid arrest number of 680 is likely also fake. A couple weeks ago Trump said they got thousands, but they only grabbed 35.

And that's not even true.

Actually 35 was in one location. There was more than one location. This time there was more than one location.

Keep up the good work. Start rounding them up and shipping them out.

I just want to know where these 60,000 border patrol / ICE agents are hiding. We pay them $233k each for a total $14 Billion a year to do nothing. Look at the border on google earth. There should be patrols spaced every 175'ft, but they are actually miles apart, because only 1 in 60 are out there working!

You just showed how ignorant you are. They don’t make near $233,000 a year. Stay off the Heroine My nephew is one and have other cousins and friends in Border Patrol and your figure is way off like most of what you say.

CBP budget is $14.4 Billion for their 62,000 employees. You do the math! They get Golden Retirements, Healthcare, Benefits, Vehicles, phones, gadgets weapons, etc. "CBP is the largest federal law enforcement agency in the country, and has a budget larger than the remaining federal law enforcement agencies combined."

Then tell me why I can't see them on the border!

 

[OldLady]

They ought to arrest the owners of the facility as well.

I thought it said they did?

 

[OldLady]

Pictures of crying children of those deported all over Twitter of course. And it is very difficult and sad--it was their first week (apparently first day, but who knows) of school. I get that. But if you're illegal in this nation you must know you take that chance--that you are here with that threat hanging over your head every week, every year.

Moreover, as much as my heart hurts for these kids individually, I also know how unfair it is for all the OTHER American schoolkids. Their parents are paid under the table (shame on the business too!) and so they are basically free riding their education. And their education costs WAY more than other kids, for English as a Second Language ALONE.

Nationalism. **** them kids. Their parents broke the law by invading our country and violating our national sovereignty.

K if my attitude is "F those kids" I have no business being in a classroom anywhere. Those kids can't help it. Their parents came here illegally and they were born where they were born. I blame the parents 100% and do not give the parents a pass simply because they have kids here. The kids' heartbreak is their parents' fault.

But that does not make the kids' heartbreak any less devastating. We can't make decisions as a nation based on that heartbreak, right? You don't NOT put a criminal in jail bc the kids will be heartbroken. But your heart should not be immune to the kids heartbreak nonetheless.

I say deport the kids along with the parents if the kids are not in school.

Why not if they are in school? Who takes care of them if they stay?

 

[Pete7469]

They ought to arrest the owners of the facility as well.

I thought it said they did?

Not that I saw....

 

[LilOlLady]

-Entering the country has an effect on the kids when they are picked up and don't come home and no one is the blame but the parents when they made the decision to illegally enter the country and NOT TRUMP ...who had nothing to do with the ICE scooping them up.

 

[LilOlLady]

This idea that people can use fraudulent S.S. numbers is totally bogus.

Are you...******* serious?

Yes. Here we go again. Explain this scenario to me.

Umm, drug cartels, coyotes etc are providing them for a fee. Are you seriously this stupid?

In the age of identity theft you think getting a fake SS number isn't possible. You're an idiot.

So no one is able to determine these numbers are fake? I can just make one up and start using it? Say I owe back taxes, just make one up and start over?

The ICE raid arrest number of 680 is likely also fake. A couple weeks ago Trump said they got thousands, but they only grabbed 35.[/QUOTE
Not the same thing. This raid was about illegal workers and employers. He said there could be thousands and we really don't know how many were picked up. That was about those who had got their deportation papers and had not left. Tax Identification Numbers are given to aliens so they can pay taxes and business don't look any further.

 

[LilOlLady]

Pictures of crying children of those deported all over Twitter of course. And it is very difficult and sad--it was their first week (apparently first day, but who knows) of school. I get that. But if you're illegal in this nation you must know you take that chance--that you are here with that threat hanging over your head every week, every year.

Moreover, as much as my heart hurts for these kids individually, I also know how unfair it is for all the OTHER American schoolkids. Their parents are paid under the table (shame on the business too!) and so they are basically free riding their education. And their education costs WAY more than other kids, for English as a Second Language ALONE.

Nationalism. **** them kids. Their parents broke the law by invading our country and violating our national sovereignty.

K if my attitude is "F those kids" I have no business being in a classroom anywhere. Those kids can't help it. Their parents came here illegally and they were born where they were born. I blame the parents 100% and do not give the parents a pass simply because they have kids here. The kids' heartbreak is their parents' fault.

But that does not make the kids' heartbreak any less devastating. We can't make decisions as a nation based on that heartbreak, right? You don't NOT put a criminal in jail bc the kids will be heartbroken. But your heart should not be immune to the kids heartbreak nonetheless.

I say deport the kids along with the parents if the kids are not in school.

Why not if they are in school? Who takes care of them if they stay?

They take the kids with them if they do not have a sponsor and family member to take them. Still, if they are anchor babies they will get welfare for them.

 

[KissMy]

Pictures of crying children of those deported all over Twitter of course. And it is very difficult and sad--it was their first week (apparently first day, but who knows) of school. I get that. But if you're illegal in this nation you must know you take that chance--that you are here with that threat hanging over your head every week, every year.

Moreover, as much as my heart hurts for these kids individually, I also know how unfair it is for all the OTHER American schoolkids. Their parents are paid under the table (shame on the business too!) and so they are basically free riding their education. And their education costs WAY more than other kids, for English as a Second Language ALONE.

Nationalism. **** them kids. Their parents broke the law by invading our country and violating our national sovereignty.

K if my attitude is "F those kids" I have no business being in a classroom anywhere. Those kids can't help it. Their parents came here illegally and they were born where they were born. I blame the parents 100% and do not give the parents a pass simply because they have kids here. The kids' heartbreak is their parents' fault.

But that does not make the kids' heartbreak any less devastating. We can't make decisions as a nation based on that heartbreak, right? You don't NOT put a criminal in jail bc the kids will be heartbroken. But your heart should not be immune to the kids heartbreak nonetheless.

I say deport the kids along with the parents if the kids are not in school.

Why not if they are in school? Who takes care of them if they stay?

Currently we are paying for every child of illegals born here if we deport their parents.

If the parents have been here more than 5 years & child is a US citizen in school, the parents won't know their own country or have a place there, have more invested here & we have already invested in teaching their children who only know the USA.. That gives CBP & ICE up to 6 years to catch these illegals & automatically deport them & their children without trial.

To make this happen Congress must alter the 14th amendment that was only meant to give citizenship to children born here to slaves.

 

[OldLady]

They ought to arrest the owners of the facility as well.

I thought it said they did?

Not that I saw....

The Latest: Mississippi immigration raids net 680 arrests
The official says owners as well as employees are targeted in a federal criminal investigation.

 

[Crepitus]

If they knowingly hired them I'm all for it.

Oh please. They didn't accidentally hire 680 people with fake id.

Do we know that? How many illegals have fraudulent SS numbers? The democrats are helping them get those.

If a democrat knew this raid was going to happen they would have warned 680 people to not go to work.

I'm all for prosecuting employers for hiring illegals. I'm also all for prosecuting democrats for protecting them.

This idea that people can use fraudulent S.S. numbers is totally bogus.

Yeah, tell that to the SS Admin, they won't even tell you if some is using your SS number, but they're happy to take the payroll deductions knowing they won't have to pay anything out.

.

How does this work? You file your taxes and they kick you out noting you didn't claim the income you made from across the country.

They've got excuses for everything.

 

[LilOlLady]

Pictures of crying children of those deported all over Twitter of course. And it is very difficult and sad--it was their first week (apparently first day, but who knows) of school. I get that. But if you're illegal in this nation you must know you take that chance--that you are here with that threat hanging over your head every week, every year.

Moreover, as much as my heart hurts for these kids individually, I also know how unfair it is for all the OTHER American schoolkids. Their parents are paid under the table (shame on the business too!) and so they are basically free riding their education. And their education costs WAY more than other kids, for English as a Second Language ALONE.

Nationalism. **** them kids. Their parents broke the law by invading our country and violating our national sovereignty.

K if my attitude is "F those kids" I have no business being in a classroom anywhere. Those kids can't help it. Their parents came here illegally and they were born where they were born. I blame the parents 100% and do not give the parents a pass simply because they have kids here. The kids' heartbreak is their parents' fault.

But that does not make the kids' heartbreak any less devastating. We can't make decisions as a nation based on that heartbreak, right? You don't NOT put a criminal in jail bc the kids will be heartbroken. But your heart should not be immune to the kids heartbreak nonetheless.

I say deport the kids along with the parents if the kids are not in school.

Why not if they are in school? Who takes care of them if they stay?

If the parents have been here more than 5 years & child is a US citizen in school, the parents won't know their own country or have a place there, have more invested here & we have already invested in teaching their children who only know the USA.. That gives CBP & ICE up to 6 years to catch these illegals & automatically deport them & their children without trial. To make this happen Congress must alter the 14th amendment that was only meant to give citizenship to children born here to slaves.

Currently we are paying for every child of illegals born here if we deport their parents.

Taxpayers pay anyway because the parents are low wage earners and the kids qualify for bull welfare benefits plus public housing.
American taxpayers continue to shell out billions of dollars for births of so-called "anchor babies" by illegal aliens.

Illegal alien births of anchor babies make up 11 percent - or about 198,000 births - of all births that are paid for by American taxpayers.

“There are about 300,000 births a year to illegal immigrant mothers, about two-thirds of those births are to a mother who is unable to pay for the birth, so taxpayers cover it either through Medicaid or one of its related programs,” says Steven Camarota, director of research for the Center for Immigration Studies. “In Texas, it's about 75 percent of birth to illegal immigrants.”

“The total cost nationally is about $2.5 billion a year, now that's just for the births, it doesn't include education for the kid or anything like that.”
Anchor Babies Costing U.S. Taxpayers Billions | NewsRadio 740 KTRH

 

[KissMy]

Oh please. They didn't accidentally hire 680 people with fake id.

Do we know that? How many illegals have fraudulent SS numbers? The democrats are helping them get those.

If a democrat knew this raid was going to happen they would have warned 680 people to not go to work.

I'm all for prosecuting employers for hiring illegals. I'm also all for prosecuting democrats for protecting them.

This idea that people can use fraudulent S.S. numbers is totally bogus.

Yeah, tell that to the SS Admin, they won't even tell you if some is using your SS number, but they're happy to take the payroll deductions knowing they won't have to pay anything out.

.

How does this work? You file your taxes and they kick you out noting you didn't claim the income you made from across the country.

They've got excuses for everything.

"A new report from TRAC, a nonpartisan and nonprofit data analysis division at Syracuse University, found that criminal prosecution of employers who knowingly hire undocumented individuals is rare.

The researchers at TRAC used data provided by government agencies to find that, nationwide from March 2017 to April 2018, almost 86,000 people were prosecuted for illegal entry. In that same time, 11 people were arrested for employing undocumented immigrants. Not one U.S. company faced prosecution."

 

[Crepitus]

Do we know that? How many illegals have fraudulent SS numbers? The democrats are helping them get those.

If a democrat knew this raid was going to happen they would have warned 680 people to not go to work.

I'm all for prosecuting employers for hiring illegals. I'm also all for prosecuting democrats for protecting them.

This idea that people can use fraudulent S.S. numbers is totally bogus.

Yeah, tell that to the SS Admin, they won't even tell you if some is using your SS number, but they're happy to take the payroll deductions knowing they won't have to pay anything out.

.

How does this work? You file your taxes and they kick you out noting you didn't claim the income you made from across the country.

They've got excuses for everything.

"A new report from TRAC, a nonpartisan and nonprofit data analysis division at Syracuse University, found that criminal prosecution of employers who knowingly hire undocumented individuals is rare.

The researchers at TRAC used data provided by government agencies to find that, nationwide from March 2017 to April 2018, almost 86,000 people were prosecuted for illegal entry. In that same time, 11 people were arrested for employing undocumented immigrants. Not one U.S. company faced prosecution."

And until they face consequences they won't stop. And until they stop the illegal immigrants will keep coming.

 

[OldLady]

Do we know that? How many illegals have fraudulent SS numbers? The democrats are helping them get those.

If a democrat knew this raid was going to happen they would have warned 680 people to not go to work.

I'm all for prosecuting employers for hiring illegals. I'm also all for prosecuting democrats for protecting them.

This idea that people can use fraudulent S.S. numbers is totally bogus.

Yeah, tell that to the SS Admin, they won't even tell you if some is using your SS number, but they're happy to take the payroll deductions knowing they won't have to pay anything out.

.

How does this work? You file your taxes and they kick you out noting you didn't claim the income you made from across the country.

They've got excuses for everything.

"A new report from TRAC, a nonpartisan and nonprofit data analysis division at Syracuse University, found that criminal prosecution of employers who knowingly hire undocumented individuals is rare.

The researchers at TRAC used data provided by government agencies to find that, nationwide from March 2017 to April 2018, almost 86,000 people were prosecuted for illegal entry. In that same time, 11 people were arrested for employing undocumented immigrants. Not one U.S. company faced prosecution."

It is probably hard to prove the employer knew the employee supplied false ID's. But some have been caught actually steering prospective workers to places that would provide them.
Also, the time I picked strawberries, there was no paperwork involved. I showed up, was handed a flat and assigned a row. When I was done for the day, they counted my berries and paid me cash.
Probably a lot of workers are doing that kind of work, don't you think?

 

[Crepitus]

This idea that people can use fraudulent S.S. numbers is totally bogus.

Yeah, tell that to the SS Admin, they won't even tell you if some is using your SS number, but they're happy to take the payroll deductions knowing they won't have to pay anything out.

.

How does this work? You file your taxes and they kick you out noting you didn't claim the income you made from across the country.

They've got excuses for everything.

"A new report from TRAC, a nonpartisan and nonprofit data analysis division at Syracuse University, found that criminal prosecution of employers who knowingly hire undocumented individuals is rare.

The researchers at TRAC used data provided by government agencies to find that, nationwide from March 2017 to April 2018, almost 86,000 people were prosecuted for illegal entry. In that same time, 11 people were arrested for employing undocumented immigrants. Not one U.S. company faced prosecution."

It is probably hard to prove the employer knew the employee supplied false ID's. But some have been caught actually steering prospective workers to places that would provide them.
Also, the time I picked strawberries, there was no paperwork involved. I showed up, was handed a flat and assigned a row. When I was done for the day, they counted my berries and paid me cash.
Probably a lot of workers are doing that kind of work, don't you think?

Maybe so, but that's illegal as well. Tax evasion.

 

[KissMy]

Nationalism. **** them kids. Their parents broke the law by invading our country and violating our national sovereignty.

K if my attitude is "F those kids" I have no business being in a classroom anywhere. Those kids can't help it. Their parents came here illegally and they were born where they were born. I blame the parents 100% and do not give the parents a pass simply because they have kids here. The kids' heartbreak is their parents' fault.

But that does not make the kids' heartbreak any less devastating. We can't make decisions as a nation based on that heartbreak, right? You don't NOT put a criminal in jail bc the kids will be heartbroken. But your heart should not be immune to the kids heartbreak nonetheless.

I say deport the kids along with the parents if the kids are not in school.

Why not if they are in school? Who takes care of them if they stay?

If the parents have been here more than 5 years & child is a US citizen in school, the parents won't know their own country or have a place there, have more invested here & we have already invested in teaching their children who only know the USA.. That gives CBP & ICE up to 6 years to catch these illegals & automatically deport them & their children without trial. To make this happen Congress must alter the 14th amendment that was only meant to give citizenship to children born here to slaves.

Currently we are paying for every child of illegals born here if we deport their parents.

Taxpayers pay anyway because the parents are low wage earners and the kids qualify for bull welfare benefits plus public housing.
American taxpayers continue to shell out billions of dollars for births of so-called "anchor babies" by illegal aliens.

Illegal alien births of anchor babies make up 11 percent - or about 198,000 births - of all births that are paid for by American taxpayers.

“There are about 300,000 births a year to illegal immigrant mothers, about two-thirds of those births are to a mother who is unable to pay for the birth, so taxpayers cover it either through Medicaid or one of its related programs,” says Steven Camarota, director of research for the Center for Immigration Studies. “In Texas, it's about 75 percent of birth to illegal immigrants.”

“The total cost nationally is about $2.5 billion a year, now that's just for the births, it doesn't include education for the kid or anything like that.”
Anchor Babies Costing U.S. Taxpayers Billions | NewsRadio 740 KTRH

But if we change the 14th amendment, it will end anchor babies. Set the minimum age to become a US citizen for a US born to illegals to 6 years old.

 

[KissMy]

Yeah, tell that to the SS Admin, they won't even tell you if some is using your SS number, but they're happy to take the payroll deductions knowing they won't have to pay anything out.

.

How does this work? You file your taxes and they kick you out noting you didn't claim the income you made from across the country.

They've got excuses for everything.

"A new report from TRAC, a nonpartisan and nonprofit data analysis division at Syracuse University, found that criminal prosecution of employers who knowingly hire undocumented individuals is rare.

The researchers at TRAC used data provided by government agencies to find that, nationwide from March 2017 to April 2018, almost 86,000 people were prosecuted for illegal entry. In that same time, 11 people were arrested for employing undocumented immigrants. Not one U.S. company faced prosecution."

It is probably hard to prove the employer knew the employee supplied false ID's. But some have been caught actually steering prospective workers to places that would provide them.
Also, the time I picked strawberries, there was no paperwork involved. I showed up, was handed a flat and assigned a row. When I was done for the day, they counted my berries and paid me cash.
Probably a lot of workers are doing that kind of work, don't you think?

Maybe so, but that's illegal as well. Tax evasion.

They find ways around worker rights, taxes, liability & prosecution.