Just Because I Mock One Politician Doesn’t Mean I Endorse the Other Side

[Samofvt]

Say you disagree with a Republican, you get called a Democrat and Vice Versa. The tribalism comes out in both parties when you question their leaders. By questioning their leadership, you immediately get treated as an enemy. The Founders wanted us to question our leadership and not value partisan politics over the health of the country. Trump Voters (I am one of them myself, keep that in mind), a lot of them take any criticism towards Trump as a personal attack and get offended, then have a snowflake like reaction.

I don't understand this. I don't understand how one can take questioning, or disliking political figures personally. It's silly.

There ya go.

Rational dialogue, fact-finding, discussion, and decorum have been tossed out the window. We have gigabit streaming information overload, and nobody has any time anymore to sit back and reflect on the facts and events themselves. Nor do many of our media even care to report the facts to us anymore. They report clickbait and editorials.

Thankfully, more and more people are beginning to realize this. I think we have a chance if more people start seeing it. The newest generation (just coming out of high school now) is amazingly adapted to the information streams available, probably because they've grown up with it since early childhood and have figured out how to cope with it.

But man-o-man I hope the day comes soon when enough people see the stupidity in our current politics.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

What the OP fails to either understand or acknowledge (I don’t know which) is that most of us live in a binary world where there ARE only two options… 1 and 0. If you aren’t a 1 you’re a 0. We deal in integers so there is no argument that .825 is closer to 1 than 0 or that .225 is close to 0 then 1.

The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is an 80 percent friend and not a 20 percent enemy”–Ronald Reagan

 

[OldFlame]

I'm not criticizing Trump on everything he does. I wished I had a buck for every time a Trump loyalist said I had TDS.

Personally, I think those that make up stuff, just to cry about him, are the ones with TDS. Like how he's supposedly racist. Or is a threat to democracy. You know. BS like that.

List what you approve of that he's done so far.

 

[OldFlame]

I think it can be far more nuanced than that. I can be against illegal immigration and also against the methods the Government is using to stop said illegal immigration. The same can be said of how we are getting the illegal immigrants removed from the country. We can agree that those here illegally need to be removed, how that's accomplished we can disagree on.

True, but I don't hear any of those nuances being presented typically, I only hear how Trump has done everything wrong. When I hear a list of what's not liked that comes with a list of what is liked, then maybe I'll take the poster more seriously. Until then, they're just TDS shills.

 

[OldFlame]

Yes everyone who doesnt 100% agree with your particular brand of politics, who can actually think for themselves and not just blindly side with one letter or the other is a fence sitter. And you are a mindless lemming.

See, this is what I mean. Your implication that everyone just 'blindly sides with one letter' is wrong, the majority of conservatives on here are not doing that.

 

[Couchpotato]

That's your black and white take on the world. Ironic that you contradict your point.

I think you are struggling with the meaning of words or maybe it's just general reading comprehension. My take is anything but black and white. It's the exact opposite actually.

The fact of the matter is you can vote for Howdy Doody on an independent ticket for all the good it will do you, however if you want anything resembling your actual desires you have to work with those that are most likely to accomplish them. In this case the republicans fill that bill.

That doesn't mean that you have to gargle the balls of the politician with your preferred letter next to his name. The problem isn't voting for a Republican or Democrat politician it's voting for them strictly because they have an R or D next to their name. It's defending that politician or party regardless of their actions or rhetoric.

The globalist democrats are the exact opposite of what I feel is best for the country and Howdy Doody doesn't have a snow ball's chance in hell of making any changes. That is the fact. Use your head. SMFH

That doesn't mean your "team" is always right or that the other "team" doesn't have good ideas as well. The idea that you would be on a political team is stupid on its face and exactly what those in power want.

I agree with Trump on many things. He does a great job of identifying issues and taking the 80 side of them. Where we disagree is on his execution many times. And I think it's appropriate to criticize him or any other politician when that happens.

 

[Moonglow]

How true is this? So many times if you call out a politician for something, supporters of said politician will claim you lean the other way. But that's not even close to accurate when it comes to political independents. We mock both sides, regularly.
This article is pro libertarian. A political party I also mock for certain things.

Just Because I Mock One Politician Doesn’t Mean I Endorse the Other Side​

In today’s hyper-polarized climate, being a libertarian comes with a strange curse: no matter which politician I criticize, people automatically assume I must be carrying water for the other side. If I mock a Democrat, the Left calls me a secret Republican. If I call out a Republican, the Right insists I must be a closet progressive. It’s like the political equivalent of two kids demanding that each gets the same size cookie—both sides are so obsessed with “teams” that they cannot imagine someone rejecting the whole game.

But here’s the ........

So how is the Tea Party doing fer the libertarians?

 

[Couchpotato]

See, this is what I mean. Your implication that everyone just 'blindly sides with one letter' is wrong, the majority of conservatives on here are not doing that.

That's not what Im implying at all. I was talking very specifically about one comment from one poster. There's was no implication. I was very clearly saying it.

 

[Billiejeens]

Mocking our political system is a form of patriotism.

Not a good form.

 

[Billiejeens]

State what your beliefs are on the major conservative and liberal viewpoints?

It's all subjective, it depends on what you're criticizing Trump for, don't you think? If you're criticizing his crack down on illegal immigration as an example, and you support people coming here illegally, then your view is liberal on that topic. How many of those areas are you liberal vs conservative? That's what determines where you are.

If you're criticizing Trump on everything he does just because of who he is, then you're just another TDS fool.

YoursTruly is far fringe right -

Those on the right that are criticizing him because they think that he is a Democrat are not basing it on anything that he has posted.

He is way to the right of the rest of the country.

He is living in the wrong century.
The country is not with him.

Neither side,

 

[Mac1958]

Say you disagree with a Republican, you get called a Democrat and Vice Versa. The tribalism comes out in both parties when you question their leaders. By questioning their leadership, you immediately get treated as an enemy. The Founders wanted us to question our leadership and not value partisan politics over the health of the country. Trump Voters (I am one of them myself, keep that in mind), a lot of them take any criticism towards Trump as a personal attack and get offended, then have a snowflake like reaction.

I don't understand this. I don't understand how one can take questioning, or disliking political figures personally. It's silly.

We're incredibly tribal right now, so if you criticize either tribe on one (1) single issue, it's assumed that you can ONLY be in the other tribe. The last thing the tribes want to deal with is a person whose opinions are independent.

Seems to me an honest and reasonable person can have disagreements with BOTH tribes on several issues. Ideology creates intellectual myopia, and it takes away a person's fundamental human curiosity. I look at it as an affliction.

 

[Billiejeens]

So how is the Tea Party doing fer the libertarians?

You thought that the tea party was Libertarian?

 

[JanetTheGreat]

There ya go.

Rational dialogue, fact-finding, discussion, and decorum have been tossed out the window. We have gigabit streaming information overload, and nobody has any time anymore to sit back and reflect on the facts and events themselves. Nor do many of our media even care to report the facts to us anymore. They report clickbait and editorials.

Thankfully, more and more people are beginning to realize this. I think we have a chance if more people start seeing it. The newest generation (just coming out of high school now) is amazingly adapted to the information streams available, probably because they've grown up with it since early childhood and have figured out how to cope with it.

But man-o-man I hope the day comes soon when enough people see the stupidity in our current politics.

For those who waste their time just defending their side and not seeing anything else but their side, they have blinders on. MAGA and the Ultra-Left are literally the exact same thing. It took me years to realize this but now that I do I can't unsee it. Our whole media apparatus feeds us lies and all this partisan debate solves nothing! Absolutely nothing! The billionaires are still in power, the media, and everything we stand against is still in place. Truly shows that nothing can be solved through voting in a candidate.

 

[JanetTheGreat]

We're incredibly tribal right now, so if you criticize either tribe on one (1) single issue, it's assumed that you can ONLY be in the other tribe. The last thing the tribes want to deal with is a person whose opinions are independent.

Seems to me an honest and reasonable person can have disagreements with BOTH tribes on several issues. Ideology creates intellectual myopia, and it takes away a person's fundamental human curiosity. I look at it as an affliction.

People who live in an ideological world view and only see their side are genuine mentally ill NPCs.

 

[Mac1958]

People who live in an ideological world view and only see their side are genuine mentally ill NPCs.

It's much, much worse now that our "news & information" is ALSO so divided by ideology. So now an ideologue can just expose themselves to that which reinforces their macro belief system.

Cable news and the internet have their advantages, but their disadvantages may be worse.

 

[JanetTheGreat]

It's much, much worse now that our "news & information" is ALSO so divided by ideology. So now an ideologue can just expose themselves to that which reinforces their macro belief system.

Cable news and the internet have their advantages, but their disadvantages may be worse.

Its always amusing to me when ideological freaks try punching down at independents as if we have something wrong with us, when in reality, they are the ones who are brainwashed.

 

[Mac1958]

Its always amusing to me when ideological freaks try punching down at independents as if we have something wrong with us, when in reality, they are the ones who are brainwashed.

I think they know that. I think they have more disdain for independents & moderates than they do for the other tribe, because they know.

 

[JanetTheGreat]

I think they know that. I think they have more disdain for independents & moderates than they do for the other tribe, because they know.

I say this, because I used to be one of them. It didn't really earn me any favors that is for sure.

 

[Moonglow]

You thought that the tea party was Libertarian?

Yes, with fewer anarchist.

 

[Billiejeens]

Its always amusing to me when ideological freaks try punching down at independents as if we have something wrong with us, when in reality, they are the ones who are brainwashed.

as in independent - do you vote for someone who is not actually running with the hope of winning,
or do you simply pick the one of the two that you want to win?