Just Because I Mock One Politician Doesn’t Mean I Endorse the Other Side

[YoursTruly]

State what your beliefs are on the major conservative and liberal viewpoints?

It's all subjective, it depends on what you're criticizing Trump for, don't you think? If you're criticizing his crack down on illegal immigration as an example, and you support people coming here illegally, then your view is liberal on that topic. How many of those areas are you liberal vs conservative? That's what determines where you are.

If you're criticizing Trump on everything he does just because of who he is, then you're just another TDS fool.

I'm not criticizing Trump on everything he does. I wished I had a buck for every time a Trump loyalist said I had TDS.

Personally, I think those that make up stuff, just to cry about him, are the ones with TDS. Like how he's supposedly racist. Or is a threat to democracy. You know. BS like that.

 

[jc456]

**** ‘em both.

name a solution.

 

[JWBooth]

name a solution.

That’s like trying to suggest a remedy for the ills of the Empire in the days of Commodus.

 

[JanetTheGreat]

Say you disagree with a Republican, you get called a Democrat and Vice Versa. The tribalism comes out in both parties when you question their leaders. By questioning their leadership, you immediately get treated as an enemy. The Founders wanted us to question our leadership and not value partisan politics over the health of the country. Trump Voters (I am one of them myself, keep that in mind), a lot of them take any criticism towards Trump as a personal attack and get offended, then have a snowflake like reaction.

I don't understand this. I don't understand how one can take questioning, or disliking political figures personally. It's silly.

 

[Anathema]

What the OP fails to either understand or acknowledge (I don’t know which) is that most of us live in a binary world where there ARE only two options… 1 and 0. If you aren’t a 1 you’re a 0. We deal in integers so there is no argument that .825 is closer to 1 than 0 or that .225 is close to 0 then 1.

 

[JanetTheGreat]

What the OP fails to either understand or acknowledge (I don’t know which) is that most of us live in a binary world where there ARE only two options… 1 and 0. If you aren’t a 1 you’re a 0. We deal in integers so there is no argument that .825 is closer to 1 than 0 or that .225 is close to 0 then 1.

That's how you know how our system has evolved to screw us as citizens, when you only get two shit candidates to choose from, you choose the one that is less shit than the other, but still choosing shit.

 

[Anathema]

That's how you know how our system has evolved to screw us as citizens, when you only get two shit candidates to choose from, you choose the one that is less shit than the other, but still choosing shit.

No. You do what I do… you don’t choose either of them. In the nine Presidential elections I’ve been eligible to vote in, I’ve only voted for a major party candidate twice… Bush in 2000 and Trump in 2016. All 7 other opportunities I’ve either chosen not to vote or voted for a minor candidate. The last two elections I wrote my own name in for POTUS.

 

[Concerned American]

Or someone who isnt ideologically captured by one party or the other....

Details....

Yup, a fence straddler. Yours Truly, in his reply, made it clear that Conservatives are actually the center. Who best represents conservative values currently? Yup, MAGA. Definitely NOT democrats or their globalist cohorts.

 

[Couchpotato]

State what your beliefs are on the major conservative and liberal viewpoints?

It's all subjective, it depends on what you're criticizing Trump for, don't you think? If you're criticizing his crack down on illegal immigration as an example, and you support people coming here illegally, then your view is liberal on that topic. How many of those areas are you liberal vs conservative? That's what determines where you are.

If you're criticizing Trump on everything he does just because of who he is, then you're just another TDS fool.

I think it can be far more nuanced than that. I can be against illegal immigration and also against the methods the Government is using to stop said illegal immigration. The same can be said of how we are getting the illegal immigrants removed from the country. We can agree that those here illegally need to be removed, how that's accomplished we can disagree on.

 

[Couchpotato]

Yup, a fence straddler. Yours Truly, in his reply, made it clear that Conservatives are actually the center. Who best represents conservative values currently? Yup, MAGA. Definitely NOT democrats or their globalist cohorts.

Yes everyone who doesnt 100% agree with your particular brand of politics, who can actually think for themselves and not just blindly side with one letter or the other is a fence sitter. And you are a mindless lemming.

 

[konradv]

I didn't vote for Trump but LIBs here insist on calling me a MAGA HAT.

WTF is up with that ?


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[Couchpotato]

Concerned American

Cant make an argument. Shocker. The daily talking points didnt cover this topic?

 

[Concerned American]

Yes everyone who doesnt 100% agree with your particular brand of politics, who can actually think for themselves and not just blindly side with one letter or the other is a fence sitter. And you are a mindless lemming.

That's your black and white take on the world. Ironic that you contradict your point. The fact of the matter is you can vote for Howdy Doody on an independent ticket for all the good it will do you, however if you want anything resembling your actual desires you have to work with those that are most likely to accomplish them. In this case the republicans fill that bill. The globalist democrats are the exact opposite of what I feel is best for the country and Howdy Doody doesn't have a snow ball's chance in hell of making any changes. That is the fact. Use your head. SMFH

 

[Concerned American]

Concerned American

Cant make an argument. Shocker. The daily talking points didnt cover this topic?

Maybe you ought to get off of you couch and read post #33, moron.

 

[buttercup]

Funny thing about tribalist. They brag hard about supporting a party or politicians. But when you point out the flaws of the party or politician and say it's tribalist, they get offended.

Say you disagree with a Republican, you get called a Democrat and Vice Versa. The tribalism comes out in both parties when you question their leaders. By questioning their leadership, you immediately get treated as an enemy. The Founders wanted us to question our leadership and not value partisan politics over the health of the country. Trump Voters (I am one of them myself, keep that in mind), a lot of them take any criticism towards Trump as a personal attack and get offended, then have a snowflake like reaction.

I don't understand this. I don't understand how one can take questioning, or disliking political figures personally. It's silly.

Exactly. IMO tribalism is at the root of so many problems in the world today. That's why I created a thread called 'The Problem with Tribalism' about a year ago.

 

[JanetTheGreat]

Exactly. IMO tribalism is at the root of so many problems in the world today. That's why I created a thread called 'The Problem with Tribalism' about a year ago.

My interactions on this forum show me who is an independent thinker and who is not. Most interactions I have here show that most around here are either all the way into MAGA with any deviation treated as some heresy, or TDS leftist loons who have gone all the way off the end of the scale.

However, those who show they are independent thinkers have shown themselves to be a genuine pleasure to talk with.

 

[Couchpotato]

Maybe you ought to get off of you couch and read post #33, moron.

You quoted post 32 Einstein.. FYI 32 comes before 33 which means my post was made before yours.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Mocking our political system is a form of patriotism.

Starting with that elitist manifesto, the ruling class's Constitution

 

[Seymour Flops]

How true is this? So many times if you call out a politician for something, supporters of said politician will claim you lean the other way. But that's not even close to accurate when it comes to political independents. We mock both sides, regularly.
This article is pro libertarian. A political party I also mock for certain things.

Just Because I Mock One Politician Doesn’t Mean I Endorse the Other Side​

In today’s hyper-polarized climate, being a libertarian comes with a strange curse: no matter which politician I criticize, people automatically assume I must be carrying water for the other side. If I mock a Democrat, the Left calls me a secret Republican. If I call out a Republican, the Right insists I must be a closet progressive. It’s like the political equivalent of two kids demanding that each gets the same size cookie—both sides are so obsessed with “teams” that they cannot imagine someone rejecting the whole game.

But here’s the ........

Let me start by saying that I couldn't bring to mind any of your other posts, so this is not about you, but about the idea of critizing one Party or politician meaning that you support the other.

Sure, it is possible to criticize both parties. I did it for several years in my own "libertarian" phase.

But it is also possible for a person to pretend to dislike both sides and/or to be libertarian and actually simply be embarassed by the side they support, or simply unwilling to engage in intellectual debate in support of that side.

We have several examples of those on here, the ones I call "not Democrats." They spend 2016 through 2020 bashing Trump nonstop. Then when Biden took office, they immediately turned to . . . bashing Trump some more. They also parroted every talking point from the media about Biden's economy, but without specifically praising Biden.

They never noticed Biden's mental decline (i.e. never admitted it) until the DNC told them it was true. Then they took no notice of the fact that Kamala Harris was a shockingly bad, purely DEI choice for his replacement.

So many of them behave in exactly that same way, that I have all but openly accused them of being socks. But maybe not. Maybe people saw a fun way to always be on the attack and never have to defend and copied it.

If none of that is you, fine. If you tell me that I could find many, many posts from you criticizing Biden and the Democrats for their authoritarian policies, I'll believe you.

 

[Concerned American]

You quoted post 32 Einstein.. FYI 32 comes before 33 which means my post was made before yours.

You're a moron. STFU and run along. To use your idiotic, immediate response to your own post. Cant make an argument. Shocker. Now respond to post #33 which responded to your post #30 you ignorant POS.