Just another day in America. Guns keeping people safe... 8 dead... the dead can't be killed, therefore they're safe.

[JoeB131]

I see you're angry and emotive but lashing out as you do does nothing but make you appear, you know, angry and emotive.

You have offered nothing to refute the hard data on DGU's.

I offered the NCVS, which shows DGU's are rare.

You offered nothing to refute it but the usual Ammosexual spooge.

 

[Hollie]

This is a lie.

There are no ‘leftist policies’ designed to ‘protect criminals.’

This is another example of conservatives’ contempt for the right to due process and a presumption of innocence.

That conservatives are advocates for a presumption of guilt further demonstrates their contempt for the Constitution, the rule of law, and our democratic institutions.

This is a lie. Leftist policies to protect criminals are exampled every day with the release of recidivist criminals who commit further crimes or simply refusing to prosecute.

Your comments fail as an appeal to ignorance fallacy.

This is another exampke of leftists who are unwilling to accept responsibility for their actions.

Here's a list of crimes on LA's new DA's do-not-prosecute list

George Gascon, Los Angeles County's new top prosecutor, unveiled an agenda Monday that will usher in changes to the local criminal justice system by his refusal to prosecute some crimes and other sweeping changes.

www.foxnews.com

Manhattan district attorney announces he won't prosecute certain crimes | CNN

Just days after taking office, Manhattan district attorney Alvin Bragg released a memo detailing new charging, bail, plea and sentencing policies that he said he believes will make the city safer and the criminal justice system more fair, yet the plan faces criticism from police union leaders.

www.cnn.com

Biden US Attorney nominee has lengthy do-not-prosecute list

President Biden's nominee to lead the U.S. attorney's office in Massachusetts is a soft-on-crime progressive who has declined to prosecute low-level offenses such as shoplifting, trespassing, and drug possession.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Hollie]

I offered the NCVS, which shows DGU's are rare.

You offered nothing to refute it but the usual Ammosexual spooge.

On the other hand, I offered the data here: Data Visualization | Defensive Gun Uses in the U.S. | The Heritage Foundation.

You offered nothing but leftisexual babbling.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, almost every major study on defensive gun use has found that Americans use their firearms defensively between 500,000 and 3 million times each year. There’s good reason to believe that most defensive gun uses are never reported to law enforcement, much less picked up by local or national media outlets.

 

[JoeB131]

This is a lie. Leftist policies to protect criminals are exampled every day with the release of recidivist criminals who commit further crimes or simply refusing to prosecute.

Your comments fail as an appeal to ignorance fallacy.

This is another exampke of leftists who are unwilling to accept responsibility for their actions.

The police arrest 10 million people every year. We only have prison capacity to hold 2 million people. Do the math.

On the other hand, I offered the data here: Data Visualization | Defensive Gun Uses in the U.S. | The Heritage Foundation.

Yup, another bullshit Ammosexual study paid for by the NRA. Awesome.
The ironic thing is, the Gun industry doesn't care if you get killed by a gun or not during a domestic dispute.

 

[2aguy]

So was the Dickey Amendment appealed? It seems to me if you pass an amendment that says, "You'll lose your job if you anger the NRA" no one is going to anger the NRA.


Where they just repeated the usual Kleck and Lott Bullshit about DGU's.

I gave you a partial list of the actual gun research after it was passed....and you pretend it doesn't exist...you idiot.

 

[2aguy]

The police arrest 10 million people every year. We only have prison capacity to hold 2 million people. Do the math.


Yup, another bullshit Ammosexual study paid for by the NRA. Awesome.
The ironic thing is, the Gun industry doesn't care if you get killed by a gun or not during a domestic dispute.

Wow.....you have nothing other than typing N-R-A as a response.........when they have nothing to do with anything that has been posted......

 

[Hollie]

The police arrest 10 million people every year. We only have prison capacity to hold 2 million people. Do the math.


Yup, another bullshit Ammosexual study paid for by the NRA. Awesome.
The ironic thing is, the Gun industry doesn't care if you get killed by a gun or not during a domestic dispute.

I see you're confused and befuddled. The NRA didn't fund the report I linked to.

The problems you're experiencing are encapsulated by the dysfunction called ''leftism'.

Try paying attention instead of reflexively responding with your typical leftist nonsense.

CNSNews

www.cnsnews.com

(CNSNews.com) – “Self-defense can be an important crime deterrent,”says a new report by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC). The $10 million study was commissioned by President Barack Obama as part of 23 executive orders he signed in January.

“Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was ‘used’ by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies,” the CDC study, entitled “Priorities For Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence,” states.

The report, which notes that “ violent crimes, including homicides specifically, have declined in the past five years,” also pointed out that “some firearm violence results in death, but most does not.” In fact, the CDC report said, most incidents involving the discharge of firearms do not result in a fatality.

“In 2010, incidents in the U.S. involving firearms injured or killed more than 105,000 Americans, of which there were twice as many nonfatal firearm-related injuries (73,505) than deaths.”

 

[Bob Blaylock]

This is a lie.

You are doomed to never escape from that paradox.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

This is a lie. Leftist policies to protect criminals are exampled every day with the release of recidivist criminals who commit further crimes or simply refusing to prosecute.

Your comments fail as an appeal to ignorance fallacy.

This is another exampke of leftists who are unwilling to accept responsibility for their actions.

Here's a list of crimes on LA's new DA's do-not-prosecute list

George Gascon, Los Angeles County's new top prosecutor, unveiled an agenda Monday that will usher in changes to the local criminal justice system by his refusal to prosecute some crimes and other sweeping changes.

www.foxnews.com

Manhattan district attorney announces he won't prosecute certain crimes | CNN

Just days after taking office, Manhattan district attorney Alvin Bragg released a memo detailing new charging, bail, plea and sentencing policies that he said he believes will make the city safer and the criminal justice system more fair, yet the plan faces criticism from police union leaders.

www.cnn.com

Biden US Attorney nominee has lengthy do-not-prosecute list

President Biden's nominee to lead the U.S. attorney's office in Massachusetts is a soft-on-crime progressive who has declined to prosecute low-level offenses such as shoplifting, trespassing, and drug possession.

www.foxnews.com

Be careful that you don't get trapped in that same paradox with C_Clayton_Jones.

 

[themirrorthief]

The police arrest 10 million people every year. We only have prison capacity to hold 2 million people. Do the math.


Yup, another bullshit Ammosexual study paid for by the NRA. Awesome.
The ironic thing is, the Gun industry doesn't care if you get killed by a gun or not during a domestic dispute.

the dead can still vote for the democrat of their choice...happens all the time

 

[JoeB131]

“In 2010, incidents in the U.S. involving firearms injured or killed more than 105,000 Americans, of which there were twice as many nonfatal firearm-related injuries (73,505) than deaths.”

sounds like we have an actual problem.

 

[Hollie]

sounds like we have an actual problem.

Sounds like you abandoned your conspiracy theory.

 

[JoeB131]

Sounds like you abandoned your conspiracy theory.

No, just pointing out that we have a problem, and the CDC admits we have one. Too bad they are too afraid to study it in earnest.

 

[Hollie]

No, just pointing out that we have a problem, and the CDC admits we have one. Too bad they are too afraid to study it in earnest.

Sure there's a problem. Look at the daily killings in leftist run cities.

You people make heroes of the criminals making your leftist run cities unlivable.

 

[JoeB131]

Sure there's a problem. Look at the daily killings in leftist run cities.

You people make heroes of the criminals making your leftist run cities unlivable.

Actually, right wing cities had just as much of a problem.

Republican-controlled states have higher murder rates than Democratic ones: study

Republican politicians routinely claim that cities run by Democrats have been experiencing crime waves caused by failed governance, but a new study shows murder rates are actually higher in states and cities controlled by Republicans.

news.yahoo.com

 

[Blues Man]

Right, the CDC is banned from studying gun violence. We've been over this.

So they repeat whatever crap is out there... even though they know it's bullshit.

CDC isn’t banned from studying gun violence; it’s just too scared to do its job

CDC isn’t banned from studying gun violence; it’s just too scared to do its job

www.dallasnews.com

 

[2aguy]

Actually, right wing cities had just as much of a problem.

Republican-controlled states have higher murder rates than Democratic ones: study

Republican politicians routinely claim that cities run by Democrats have been experiencing crime waves caused by failed governance, but a new study shows murder rates are actually higher in states and cities controlled by Republicans.

news.yahoo.com

Lying again....your link uses the word "States," because in Red States, the Blue cities are causing the murder numbers to go up......you use the word "city," your link says "state."

You are a lying asshole

In February 2022, CBS News published a report about cities with the highest homicide rate, "Murder map: Deadliest U.S. cities." Of the top 10 deadliest cities in the country, all of them are cities with Democratic mayors. Moreover, of the 65 cities on this list with the highest murder rates, the overwhelming majority had Democratic mayors. And, to quote Clinton, "that's just a fact."
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On Nov. 4, the Heritage Foundation released a study showing that "high-crime counties are governed largely by Democrats." It revealed that of the 30 cities with the highest murder rates in the country, 27 have Democratic mayors. Furthermore, of those 27 cities, nearly half (14) have radical left-wing prosecutors funded or inspired by affluent billionaire and leftist political activist George Soros and the Open Society Foundation.
"The high murder rate is almost exclusively cabined in cities run by Democrats and with Democrat district attorneys, many of whom are Soros bought-and-paid-for rogue prosecutors or inspired by Soros, groups like the egregiously misnamed Fair and Just Prosecution and other battering rams of the movement," the authors of the study stated.

Don't believe Democrats' lies — blue cities, not red states, have the violent crime problem
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From poster, Toobfreak.

I chose 58 cities as that was the largest number I could fit on a page. I then went through each city one by one to look up the major of every city. Aside from the fact that you can forget finding any pattern of cities in "red" states being the most with the highest crime as the idiot Marc tries to claim, but I went down the list marking all the mayors of the highest crimes cities in America in BRIGHT RED who were DEMOCRATS.


Look at what I found:

Every city above in red is RUN BY A DEMOCRAT!

Murder map: Deadliest U.S. cities


Also.....

The No. 1 state on Third Way’s list is Mississippi. Sure enough, the statewide vote in the 2020 election was for Trump. But within the state, Hinds County residents voted for Joe Biden, 3 to 1. Mississippi’s biggest city, Jackson, is in Hinds County. You know where this is going.
Reporting on Jackson last year, CNN declared it “one of the deadliest U.S. cities.”

The mayor of Jackson is Chokwe Antar Lumumba, a Democrat. The district attorney is Jody Owens, a Democrat.
No. 2 on the list is Louisiana. Trump won that state, too. But on the more local level, he lost Orleans, the parish that contains New Orleans, the state’s most populous city. Residents there went for Biden almost 8 to 1.
“New Orleans had the highest homicide rate of any major city so far this year, with about 41 homicides per 100,000 residents.”— The Wall Street Journal, Sep. 16, 2022
The mayor of New Orleans is LaToya Cantrell, a Democrat. The district attorney is Jason Williams, also a Democrat.
No. 3 on the list is Kentucky, another red state that voted to elect Trump. But Kentucky’s biggest city Louisville is in Jefferson County and 60 percent of those voters supported Biden.
This is from Kentucky-based think tank Pegasus Institute in August: “In the last decade, the city of Louisville has seen unprecedented increases in shootings and homicides. 2020 became Louisville’s deadliest year on record, and 2021 have proven to continue that trend.” The organization reported last year that Louisville’s homicide rate was competing with the likes of Chicago and Philadelphia.
The mayor of Louisville is Greg Fischer, a Democrat. The district attorney is Thomas B. Wine. He is also a Democrat.
Next is Alabama at No. 4, another 2020 red state. But Biden won the most votes in the most populous county, also called Jefferson. He won 56 percent to Trump’s 43. Within Jefferson is the city of Birmingham, which has the third-highest murder ratein all of the U.S.
The mayor of Birmingham is Randall Woodfin. He’s a Democrat, just like the district attorney, Danny Carr.
In slot No. 5 is Missouri. Again, a Trump state. And again, with the county containing its biggest city, St. Louis, going for Biden, 61 percent to Trump’s 37. St. Louis has the fourth-highest murder rate in the country.
Mayor: Tishaura Jones, Democrat.
County prosecuting attorney: Wesley Bell, same.
No. 6 is South Carolina. Trump won that state, but Charleston County, with the city of North Charleston, went for Biden with 56 percent of the vote. North Charleston has the highest murder rate in the state.
Finally, here we have a city with a mayor, Keith Summey, from the Republican Party. The county solicitor — Charleston does not have a district attorney — is Scarlett Wilson, also a Republican.
Not that we’re keeping score, but that brings the number on this list of Republicans who might feasibly be held accountable for raging crime in their cities to a grand total of two. For Democrats, it’s so far 10.
The next two states on Third Way’s report, New Mexico and Georgia, went blue in 2020, so we’ll skip those.
No. 9 is Arkansas, which was red. But again, Pulaski County, with the state’s biggest city of Little Rock, went blue with 60 percent of voters choosing Biden. That city reportedly has one of the highest violent crime rates in the state. The mayor of Little Rock is Frank Scott, a Democrat. The county prosecutor, Larry Jegley, is a Democrat as well.
Lastly, at No. 10, is Tennessee. Another red state with a major blue county that went for Biden. That county here would be Shelby, with 64 percent of the vote going to the president. In Shelby is the city of Memphis, which, according to The New York Times, “is often ranked among the nation’s most violent cities.”
The mayor of Memphis is Jim Strickland, a Democrat. Steve Mulroy, a Democrat, is the recently-elected district attorney.
To recap, of the eight red states listed in Third Way’s report as being among the top 10 with the highest murder rate, the cities where all that murder is happening are run almost exclusively by Democrats. All but one had a Democrat mayor. And all but one had a Democrat responsible for pursuing criminal prosecutions.

The Left's Funny New Lie: It's The 'Red States' With More Crime!

 

[Hollie]

Actually, right wing cities had just as much of a problem.

Republican-controlled states have higher murder rates than Democratic ones: study

Republican politicians routinely claim that cities run by Democrats have been experiencing crime waves caused by failed governance, but a new study shows murder rates are actually higher in states and cities controlled by Republicans.

news.yahoo.com

You fell for the lies. Why do you think anyone else should?

The ‘Red State Murder Problem’? That’s Just a Democratic-Driven Myth.

With Republicans hammering them over rising murder rates, Democrats have come up with a new line of defense: Republicans, they claim, are the ones really responsible for the surge in homicides. The United States, California...

www.aei.org

With Republicans hammering them over rising murder rates, Democrats have come up with a new line of defense: Republicans, they claim, are the ones really responsible for the surge in homicides. The United States, California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) recently declared, has a “red state murder problem.”

No, it doesn’t. The bogus claim comes from a March study by the Democratic think tank Third Way, which purports to show that, contrary to “the right-wing obsession over homicides in Democratic cities: murder rates are far higher in Trump-voting red states than Biden-voting blue states.” According to Third Way, of the top 10 states with the highest per-capita murder rates in 2020, eight (Missouri, Louisiana, Kentucky, Alabama, Tennessee, South Carolina, Mississippi and Arkansas) voted for Donald Trump, while just two (New Mexico and Georgia) voted for Joe Biden. “Republicans seem to do a much better job of talking about stopping crime than stopping crime,” Jim Kessler, an author of the report, told Axios.

One problem with that: In most of these red states, the high murder rates are driven by the lethal violence in their blue cities.

Take Missouri. Yes, it voted for Trump. But it is also home to two of the most dangerous U.S. cities — St. Louis and Kansas City — both of which are run by Democrats. Earlier this year, CBS News did an analysis of the “deadliest U.S. cities” using the latest FBI and other crime data. In 2019, it found, St. Louis had the highest murder rate in the nation, with 64.54 murders per 100,000 residents. Kansas City, meanwhile, had the eighth-highest murder rate, with 29.88 murders per 100,000. According to the FBI, the state had about 520 murders in major metropolitan areas that year, 20 in cities outside metropolitan areas, and 28 in nonmetropolitan counties. So, the vast majority of Missouri’s homicides took place in its Democrat-run cities.



And then we have this:

27 of Top 30 Crime-Ridden Cities Run by Democrats

A new report shows that the Democrat-run cities and counties are responsible for rising crime rates in Republican states.

www.dailysignal.com

27 of Top 30 Crime-Ridden Cities Run by Democrats​

 

[Hollie]

The dem politicians in Illinois are a laughable joke.

They fast tracked an abomination called the SAFE-T Act that has been criticized by law enforcement, now this.

Dozens of local sheriffs say they won't enforce new Illinois gun law

Jan. 14 (UPI) -- Days after Illinois passed a law banning assault-style weapons and large-capacity magazines, dozens of county sheriffs say they won't enforce the measure, claiming it is unconstitutional.

 

[JoeB131]

Lying again....your link uses the word "States," because in Red States, the Blue cities are causing the murder numbers to go up......you use the word "city," your link says "state."

All states have cities in them. but oddly the RED states have the higher murder rates.

Why do you think that is?
Do you think it might be because - wait for it - it's easier for the wrong people to get guns?

The dem politicians in Illinois are a laughable joke.

They fast tracked an abomination called the SAFE-T Act that has been criticized by law enforcement, now this.

We had a complete ******* maniac mow down a parade last year because you nutjobs seem to think and $11.00 background check is sufficient to buy a military-grade weapon.