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Hardly. The first important thing to consider when making laws is REALITY. You can't pretend you can get crime down to zero, especially in a free society.
Just another day in America. Guns keeping people safe... 8 dead... the dead can't be killed, therefore they're safe.
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Hardly. The first important thing to consider when making laws is REALITY. You can't pretend you can get crime down to zero, especially in a free society.
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No one says you can...however...you can stop destroying local police, and you can stop releasing the most violent criminals over and over again...that would be a good start.
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Cherry pick? What fantasy world are you living in.
When did you see "eight members of the same family die in gun attack" in the UK?
List of mass shootings in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia
It actually happens. In the 2020s 7 people have died from two mass shootings.
In the 2010s 17 people died from mass shootings.
Guns in the United Kingdom — Firearms, gun law and gun control
Gun law, gun control statistics, number of guns in United Kingdom, gun deaths, firearm facts and policy, armed violence, public health and development
In the US not only are murders 5 times higher per capita (a rate of around 5.0 to 7.5 gun murders get up to 5.9 per 100,000. That figure is 5 times higher than the UK's overall murder rate.
And again, I'm not cherry picking, I could choose from hundred and hundreds of examples. 6 year old shoots his teacher.
6-year-old in custody after shooting teacher in Virginia, police chief says | CNN
A 6-year-old boy is in police custody after he shot a teacher at Richneck Elementary School in Newport News, Virginia, Friday afternoon, Police Chief Steve Drew said in a news conference.
www.cnn.com
However I shouldn't even need to post something like this, because on average there are 45 murders a day in the US, 3/4ths (at least) are committed with guns.
But what we know, what we saw after Sandy Hook, what we saw after Colorado Springs, what we saw after St Louis, what we saw after Uvalde and after many, many others, is the scrambling around from people like you who want to keep guns no matter the cost.
"pro-lifers" who suddenly couldn't give a flying fuck about people's lives.
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Cherry pick? What fantasy world are you living in.
When did you see "eight members of the same family die in gun attack" in the UK?
List of mass shootings in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
It actually happens. In the 2020s 7 people have died from two mass shootings.
In the 2010s 17 people died from mass shootings.
Here you can see how many people die from guns in the UK, a rate of around 0.1 per 100,000 down to 0.02 per 100,000.Guns in the United Kingdom — Firearms, gun law and gun control
Gun law, gun control statistics, number of guns in United Kingdom, gun deaths, firearm facts and policy, armed violence, public health and developmentwww.gunpolicy.org
In the US not only are murders 5 times higher per capita (a rate of around 5.0 to 7.5 gun murders get up to 5.9 per 100,000. That figure is 5 times higher than the UK's overall murder rate.
And again, I'm not cherry picking, I could choose from hundred and hundreds of examples. 6 year old shoots his teacher.
6-year-old in custody after shooting teacher in Virginia, police chief says | CNN
A 6-year-old boy is in police custody after he shot a teacher at Richneck Elementary School in Newport News, Virginia, Friday afternoon, Police Chief Steve Drew said in a news conference.
However I shouldn't even need to post something like this, because on average there are 45 murders a day in the US, 3/4ths (at least) are committed with guns.
But what we know, what we saw after Sandy Hook, what we saw after Colorado Springs, what we saw after St Louis, what we saw after Uvalde and after many, many others, is the scrambling around from people like you who want to keep guns no matter the cost.
"pro-lifers" who suddenly couldn't give a flying fuck about people's lives.
And British criminals have guns.....they do not choose to use those guns to commit murder as often as American criminals do.......they also don't have a political party, the democrat party, attacking the police to the point the police can't, or won't, do their jobs, to the point the police are retiring or quitting in massive numbers. Our democrat party is also soft on actual gun criminals.....the democrat party judges, prosecutors and politicians lower the sentences for actual gun crimes committed by criminals, release them over and over again....
We have a political party doing everything it can to increase gun crime in the U.S. through it's policies and actions........Britain doesn't have that yet......yet.....they are working toward it.
Also, Americans use their legal guns to stop rapes, robberies, murders, beatings, stabbings, kidnappings, and even mass public shootings.......British citizens can't legally defend themselves without great risk of being prosecuted by the government....
You have to deny the following....each year, on average, 176,000 lives saved by civilians armed with guns.....
Lives saved....based on research? By law abiding gun owners using guns to stop criminals?
Case Closed: Kleck Is Still Correct
that makes for at least 176,000 lives saved—
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A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense
GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys
Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)
DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)
L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)
Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)
2021 national firearm survey, Prof. William English, PhD. designed by Deborah Azrael of Harvard T. Chan School of public policy, and Mathew Miller, Northeastern university.......1.67 million defensive uses annually.
CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)
Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million
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Bordua...1977...1,414,544
DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)
Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)
Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)
Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)
DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)
Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."
(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])
Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer
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Ohio...1982...771,043
Gallup...1991...777,152
Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)
Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..
2021 national firearms survey..
The survey was designed by Deborah Azrael of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, and Matthew Miller of Northeastern University,
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The survey further finds that approximately a third of gun owners (31.1%) have used a firearm to defend themselves or their property, often on more than one occasion, and it estimates that guns are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million incidents per year. Handguns are the most common firearm employed for self-defense (used in 65.9% of defensive incidents), and in most defensive incidents (81.9%) no shot was fired. Approximately a quarter (25.2%) of defensive incidents occurred within the gun owner's home, and approximately half (53.9%) occurred outside their home, but on their property. About one out of ten (9.1%) defensive gun uses occurred in public, and about one out of twenty (4.8%) occurred at work.
2021 National Firearms Survey
Clinton's study by the DOJ....
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf
Applying those restrictions leaves 19 NSPOF respondents (0.8 percent of the sample), representing 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known estimate of Kleck and Gertz, shown in the last column of exhibit 7. While the NSPOF estimate is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. Inclusion of multiple DGUs reported by half of the 19 NSPOF respondents increases the estimate to 4.7 million DGUs.
n the third column of Table 6.2, we apply the Kleck and Gertz (1995) criteria for "genuine" DGUs (type A), leaving us with just 19 respondents. They represent 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known Kleck and Gertz estimate of 2.5 million, shown in the last
While ours is smaller, it is staistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. to the when we include the multiple DGUs victim. defensive reported by half our 19 respondents, our estimate increases to 4.7 milli
While ours is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference petrator; in most cases (69 percent), the is due to sampling error. Note that when we include the multiple DGUs reported by half our 19 respondents, our estimate increases to 4.7 million DGUs.
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As shown in Table 6.6, the defender fired his or her gun in 27 percent of these incidents (combined "fire warning shots" and "fire at perpetrator" percentages, though some respondents reported firing both warning shots and airning at the perpetrator). Forty percent of these were "warning shots," and about a third were aimed at the perpetrator but missed. The perpetrator was wounded by the crime victim in eight percent of all DGUs. In nine percent of DGUs the victim captured and held the perpetrator at gunpoint until the police could arrive.
Obama's study...
Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence |The National Academies Press
2aguy
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Cherry pick? What fantasy world are you living in.
When did you see "eight members of the same family die in gun attack" in the UK?
List of mass shootings in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia
It actually happens. In the 2020s 7 people have died from two mass shootings.
In the 2010s 17 people died from mass shootings.
Here you can see how many people die from guns in the UK, a rate of around 0.1 per 100,000 down to 0.02 per 100,000.Guns in the United Kingdom — Firearms, gun law and gun control
Gun law, gun control statistics, number of guns in United Kingdom, gun deaths, firearm facts and policy, armed violence, public health and development
In the US not only are murders 5 times higher per capita (a rate of around 5.0 to 7.5 gun murders get up to 5.9 per 100,000. That figure is 5 times higher than the UK's overall murder rate.
And again, I'm not cherry picking, I could choose from hundred and hundreds of examples. 6 year old shoots his teacher.
6-year-old in custody after shooting teacher in Virginia, police chief says | CNN
A 6-year-old boy is in police custody after he shot a teacher at Richneck Elementary School in Newport News, Virginia, Friday afternoon, Police Chief Steve Drew said in a news conference.
However I shouldn't even need to post something like this, because on average there are 45 murders a day in the US, 3/4ths (at least) are committed with guns.
But what we know, what we saw after Sandy Hook, what we saw after Colorado Springs, what we saw after St Louis, what we saw after Uvalde and after many, many others, is the scrambling around from people like you who want to keep guns no matter the cost.
"pro-lifers" who suddenly couldn't give a flying fuck about people's lives.
And you mix criminals using guns with mass public shootings....why?
Because over 99% of all gun crime is committed in democrat party controlled cities, by young black males.....almost all with long criminal histories, who have been released from jail and prison over and over again by democrat party policies and laws........
Total number of actual mass public shootings in 2022
12
Total murdered...
74
12 individuals out of over 350 million people
Meanwhile, the over 19,000 gun murders in democrat party cities occurred due to democrat party policies that destroy the local police, and release violent criminals over and over again...
That increase started in 2015......from around 10,000 a year to over 19,000 by 2020......why?
Because the democrat party decided to attack local police, and release violent criminals, in over drive.
As to gun crime in the U.S......with more Americans owning and carrying guns?
Over 27 years, from 1993 to the year 2015, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019 (in 2020 that number is 21.52 million)...guess what happened...
New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%
Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware
Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
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The gun murder and gun suicide rates in the U.S. both remain below their peak levels. There were 6.2 gun murders per 100,000 people in 2020, below the rate of 7.2 recorded in 1974.
What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.
Paper...why crime declined in the 90s
https://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/LevittUnderstandingWhyCrime2004.pdf
This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........
Why do our democrat party controlled cities have gun crime problems?
What changed in 2015?
The democrat party did 3 things...
1) they began a war on the police that forced officers to stop pro active police work, allowing criminals to run wild.
2) they began to release the most violent and dangerous gun offenders over and over again, not matter how many times they had been arrested for gun crimes
3) they used their brown shirts, blm/antifa to burn, loot and murder for 7 months in primarily black neighborhoods while the democrat party mayors ordered the police to stand down and not stop them......in order to hurt Trump during the election.
2aguy
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Cherry pick? What fantasy world are you living in.
When did you see "eight members of the same family die in gun attack" in the UK?
List of mass shootings in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia
It actually happens. In the 2020s 7 people have died from two mass shootings.
In the 2010s 17 people died from mass shootings.
Here you can see how many people die from guns in the UK, a rate of around 0.1 per 100,000 down to 0.02 per 100,000.Guns in the United Kingdom — Firearms, gun law and gun control
Gun law, gun control statistics, number of guns in United Kingdom, gun deaths, firearm facts and policy, armed violence, public health and development
In the US not only are murders 5 times higher per capita (a rate of around 5.0 to 7.5 gun murders get up to 5.9 per 100,000. That figure is 5 times higher than the UK's overall murder rate.
And again, I'm not cherry picking, I could choose from hundred and hundreds of examples. 6 year old shoots his teacher.
6-year-old in custody after shooting teacher in Virginia, police chief says | CNN
A 6-year-old boy is in police custody after he shot a teacher at Richneck Elementary School in Newport News, Virginia, Friday afternoon, Police Chief Steve Drew said in a news conference.
However I shouldn't even need to post something like this, because on average there are 45 murders a day in the US, 3/4ths (at least) are committed with guns.
But what we know, what we saw after Sandy Hook, what we saw after Colorado Springs, what we saw after St Louis, what we saw after Uvalde and after many, many others, is the scrambling around from people like you who want to keep guns no matter the cost.
"pro-lifers" who suddenly couldn't give a flying fuck about people's lives.
You now have to explain how it is that as more Americans own and carry guns, our gun crime rates did not go up.....please...enlighten us...
The gun murder and gun suicide rates in the U.S. both remain below their peak levels. There were 6.2 gun murders per 100,000 people in 2020, below the rate of 7.2 recorded in 1974.
What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.
2aguy
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Cherry pick? What fantasy world are you living in.
When did you see "eight members of the same family die in gun attack" in the UK?
List of mass shootings in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia
It actually happens. In the 2020s 7 people have died from two mass shootings.
In the 2010s 17 people died from mass shootings.
Here you can see how many people die from guns in the UK, a rate of around 0.1 per 100,000 down to 0.02 per 100,000.Guns in the United Kingdom — Firearms, gun law and gun control
Gun law, gun control statistics, number of guns in United Kingdom, gun deaths, firearm facts and policy, armed violence, public health and development
In the US not only are murders 5 times higher per capita (a rate of around 5.0 to 7.5 gun murders get up to 5.9 per 100,000. That figure is 5 times higher than the UK's overall murder rate.
And again, I'm not cherry picking, I could choose from hundred and hundreds of examples. 6 year old shoots his teacher.
6-year-old in custody after shooting teacher in Virginia, police chief says | CNN
A 6-year-old boy is in police custody after he shot a teacher at Richneck Elementary School in Newport News, Virginia, Friday afternoon, Police Chief Steve Drew said in a news conference.
However I shouldn't even need to post something like this, because on average there are 45 murders a day in the US, 3/4ths (at least) are committed with guns.
But what we know, what we saw after Sandy Hook, what we saw after Colorado Springs, what we saw after St Louis, what we saw after Uvalde and after many, many others, is the scrambling around from people like you who want to keep guns no matter the cost.
"pro-lifers" who suddenly couldn't give a flying fuck about people's lives.
For one, they don't tend to have 8 children in families in Britain...but if they did....they could all be murdered the way these guys murdered their smaller families in Britain...
No gun used in this......only 3 though.....do you think he would have stopped at 3 or would he have murdered more of his family if he had had the chance?
The Indian-origin nurse found murdered along with her two children in the UKwas strangled by her husband, her family said citing police, while accusing him of domestic violence. The family also appealed for help in raising money to bring their bodies back.
UK triple murder: Kerala nurse strangled by husband, says family, seeks monetary aid to bring bodies back
Anju Asokan, 40, and her children, a boy aged six and a girl of four, had died after being found with injuries in England’s Northampton region Thursday. Police had taken into custody her husband.
indianexpress.com
Here you go....4 murdered in Britain....no gun used....does that make you feel better? Do you think if there had been 4 more people there he would have stopped at 4? Cause he only wanted to murder 4 people an not 8?
A grandmother and three family members have been stabbed to death in an attack at a house in south London.
Dolet Hill, a former NHS worker, has been named as one of four people found dead at the house in Southwark after neighbours heard
‘Lovely’ grandmother and three family members stabbed to death at home in London
Tributes to ‘really close’ family as police question suspect over deaths of three women and one man
www.independent.co.uk
How about 8 children murdered in Australia....no gun used...you doofus......2014...
On 19 December 2014, at 11:20 a.m., police were called to 34 Murray Street in the Cairns suburb of Manoora in Australia, where eight children were found dead.[2] The victims were aged between 18 months and 14 years.[2] The bodies, with stab wounds, were discovered by the children's 20-year-old brother.[3] Neighbours reported that fighting could be heard from the house the night before and in the early hours of the morning.[4]
Cairns child killings - Wikipedia
They got up to 6 in Australia in this attack.....
The Osmington shooting was a familicide in Osmington, Western Australia, Australia, on 11 May 2018, in which Peter Miles, a 61-year-old retired high school farm manager, shot dead his wife, daughter, and four grandchildren, before calling police and then committing suicide.[2] It is the worst shooting incident in Australia since the Port Arthur massacre of 1996.[3][4]
5 in this attack in Australia....why couldn't they have killed more if they wanted to? No gun used....
The Lin family murders occurred in North Epping in the northwestern suburbs of Sydney, New South Wales, Australia, on 18 July 2009. The victims were newsagencyproprietor Min Lin; his wife, Yun Lin; their sons, Henry and Terry; and Yun Lin's sister, Irene Lin. The family was bludgeoned to death. Min Lin's sister, Kathy, discovered the bodies. Jun "Brenda" Lin, 15, was the only surviving immediate family member after the incident; she was on a school trip in New Caledonia with Cheltenham Girls High Schoolat the time.[1]
No gun used in this murder....burned them to death......
Hannah Clarke (formerly Baxter; 8 September 1988 – 19 February 2020) was an Australian woman who was fatally burned in a petrol fire in her car, along with her three children, in a quadruple murder–suicide by her estranged husband, Rowan Baxter, on 19 February 2020 in Camp Hill, Queensland.[2][3] The murders sparked a national debate about domestic violence in Australia,[4][5][6] after reports emerged that Baxter had a history of violence and alleged misogyny[7][8][9] and had been subjected to a domestic violence order (DVO) as well as child custody orders as recently as the month of the murders.
Murder of Hannah Clarke - Wikipedia
JoeB131
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Except that Japan, Germany, the UK, Australia, France all have strict gun control laws, and they don't have incidents like this on a regular basis.
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Except that Japan, Germany, the UK, Australia, France all have strict gun control laws, and they don't have incidents like this on a regular basis.
And you know that the preferred weapon of French criminlas is the fully auto matic military rifle, the Japanese police and prosecutors have police powers you hate, and Australia cant prevent their criminals rom getting illegal guns......on a giant island......
Their murder rates are
only low because their criminals dont choose to murder each other as often as our criminals do...
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Give me a break Joe, this dude just MURDERED HIS FAMILY AND KILLED HIMSELF. If he is that far gone mentally, he's going to do it with a machete, a baseball bat or just turn the oven on for a few hours and light a match. Why do you Leftists not acknowledge that we have a mental illness problem very likely exacerbated by medication and drug abuse?Except that Japan, Germany, the UK, Australia, France all have strict gun control laws, and they don't have incidents like this on a regular basis.
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What exactly do you propose we do?
Utah shooting: A man killed his family after wife filed for divorce
Police found eight people, including five children, dead in a Utah home during a welfare check.www.bbc.com
"A family of eight - including five children - have been found shot dead inside a rural home in Enoch City, in the US state of Utah."
Well, I guess after Sandy Hook, we know nothing will be done about this.
Please. Citizen. You know the US is too exceptional, or too big, or too diverse, or too racially divided for lessons from any other country to be useful.
I'm surprised you even mention it.
He might even have pushed them into an unfenced swimming pool.
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I own several machetes that could take your head right off your body. They work great for clearing brush and trimming tree limbs.
(Note: the destructive examples follow the guy showing off his moves.)
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Change everything.
The electoral system is broken, it leads to bad politics, impossible politics, crazy politics.
Put in Proportional Representation, probably better to get rid of the Presidential system too.
Then try and reduce poverty, increase fairness (by not having the rich controlling politics), and reduce easy access to guns. There are lots of ways of doing such things.
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Your Promotional Representation idea seems interesting to me.
My take: proportional representation modification for the Electoral College
Raymond BaccariAnchor Staff WriterLast week, I wrote an article in which I explained what the Electoral College is. From how it works, proposed alternatives/modifications and common terminology to arguments heard in discussions about it. In discussions about the Electoral College, one of the...
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Dialing for dollars is currently ruining our government today.
Congress Spends More Time Dialing for Dollars Than on Legislative Work - U.S. Term Limits
by Stacey Selleck, US Term Limits Fundraising a Top Priority Mandate to D.C. Politicians Have you gotten a call from your political party asking for money lately? Fundraising is big business in Washington, D.C. So big, in fact, that your newly elected Congressional representative is expected to...
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Plus we have Big Pharma and the Military Industrial Complex asking for Big Money.
Big Pharma spending $263M to prevent Congress from lowering drug prices
The pharmaceutical industry has employed three lobbyists for every member of Congress this year.
Broken Budget System Wastes Taxpayer Dollars, Hurts Military | U.S. Senator Mike Rounds of South Dakota
The federal government’s budget process hasn’t worked in more than four decades. I have been a vocal...
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People who have concealed weapons permits commit the fewest number of crimes of any group of people in the nation. Perhaps anyone who wants to own a gun should qualify to carry one concealed.
Report: Concealed Carry Permit Holders Are The Most Law-Abiding People In The Country | The Daily Wire
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Your Promotional Representation idea seems interesting to me.
My take: proportional representation modification for the Electoral College
Raymond BaccariAnchor Staff WriterLast week, I wrote an article in which I explained what the Electoral College is. From how it works, proposed alternatives/modifications and common terminology to arguments heard in discussions about it. In discussions about the Electoral College, one of the...
Dialing for dollars is currently ruining our government today.
Congress Spends More Time Dialing for Dollars Than on Legislative Work - U.S. Term Limits
by Stacey Selleck, US Term Limits Fundraising a Top Priority Mandate to D.C. Politicians Have you gotten a call from your political party asking for money lately? Fundraising is big business in Washington, D.C. So big, in fact, that your newly elected Congressional representative is expected to...
Plus we have Big Pharma and the Military Industrial Complex asking for Big Money.
Big Pharma spending $263M to prevent Congress from lowering drug prices
The pharmaceutical industry has employed three lobbyists for every member of Congress this year.news.yahoo.com
Broken Budget System Wastes Taxpayer Dollars, Hurts Military | U.S. Senator Mike Rounds of South Dakota
The federal government’s budget process hasn’t worked in more than four decades. I have been a vocal...
People who have concealed weapons permits commit the fewest number of crimes of any group of people in the nation. Perhaps anyone who wants to own a gun should qualify to carry one concealed.
Report: Concealed Carry Permit Holders Are The Most Law-Abiding People In The Country | The Daily Wire
Yes, if you look at Germany you can see the difference between PR and FPTP as they vote both at the same time. Different results, same people.
Rights are a problem. Why? Because there is only a Bill of Rights. Not a Bill of Rights and Responsibilities.
HOWEVER, sometimes law abiding gun owners provide guns for criminals when they get stolen. This is also a problem that is difficult to solve.
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