Just a thought for Republicans that dislike Trump.

[bullwinkle]

Republicans have broken voter turnout records in every state so far. I'm pretty sure that is the result of the Trump phenomenon. I'm also pretty sure a lot of his supporters will disappear with him if he loses the nomination. I know how much a lot of you dislike Trump, but at this point he is probably the best bet for a Republican win.

THere's gonna be HUUUUGE buyers remorse should Trump be selected. His tyrannical way of doing business is gonna turn folks against him quickly. Because MOST of his support is not looking for "deals".. They are looking to reduce the growth and restrain the power of Fed Govt. He's NOT a political reformer.

All all those "Great People" he owns and controls are not gonna put up his ego and flippant ways of making pronouncements and decisions. It's gonna be a disaster of EPIC proportions should he get elected.

Be damned certain of one thing. He is NOT intending to govern as a Republican or a Conservative or for that matter with ANY POLITICAL consistency. So when your only goal is winning, you are gonna LOSE every shred of party identity you own when he's done destroying your brand.


If this is the best BOTH parties are offering -- God help the United States of America..

Who was the last president to reduce the growth and restrain the power of the Federal Government? Reduce spending. Secure the border?

Herbert Hoover?

 

[imawhosure]

Trump is the Democrats trump card.

Honest Democrats are very concerned about Hillary, too.

This would be a very unstable and risky election.
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The only thing making Rubio viable is Trump and Cruz together. Remove either one of them, and Rubio won't even be close, it will be over.

Will it happen? If Cruz is going, we need watch Texas. If he under performs there, he will fold up tent.

Trump? Good question. Since it is his actual money, I have a feeling that if he and Cruz cut each others throats and Rubio starts winning, he will stop. Then again...........and I don't know how true it is so do not take it as Gospel..............Trump is said to be looking into, ahem......."outside funding." If it becomes NOT his money, he may stick it out longer, which would be a bad sign for those not wanting Rubio.

 

[PredFan]

If it is Trump vs Hillary, he might lose, and I do mean might. A LOT of disappointed democrats will stay home giving him the edge, but a lot of republicans will also stay home. It will come down to how hated Hillary is. The independents might not vote for either.

If it's Trump vs Sanders then Trump wins no problem. Few Americans except the radical left will vote a socialist into office.

Rubio would beat both DNC candidates. Therefor I would have to disagree that Trump is the best bet.

Think about this as part of a dynamic process if you really want to anticipate what will eventually happen.

Right now Trump is going up in polls, and there is no reason to believe he has some fictional cap. People were saying that about Romney in 2012 as well and were proven wrong. Trump isnt polling high as a second choice, but he has been a lot of peoples third or forth choice behind idealistic candidates like Carson and Kasich.

Hillary is dropping in the polls as she shows the world she is a cheating cantankerous old hag, cheating Sanders, lying to authorities about her email and secured document handling and may be indicted just prior to the election. Her poll numbers will continue to drop.

Rubio is a provenliar, and though he has rising numbers, as people become more informed with his track record he will start hemorraging supporters.

Rubio is a loser no matter who yo put up against him. He even makes Hillary look honest.

You are letting your dislike of Rubio cloud your thinking. He isn't my first choice but I can easily see him beating both Democrat candidates handily. It's a fact that lying is almost a positive thing with most democrats and many independants. Obama's reelection proves that. Plus there are a great many voters who vote for stupid reasons like looks, youth, and ethnicity which Rubio has all of. He beats either candidate pretty easily, IMO.

 

[frigidweirdo]

There is a lot of excitement for Trump. He has charisma, and his common sense message resonates. He is drawing record crowds and I believe he will get the votes of a lot of blue collar Democrats. He is the man to beat.

The people that do not like him are jealous of his massive success and matching ego. They'd rather elect a loser, like themselves!

Jealous? No, I don't think people are jealous. They're worried. Just as the founding fathers were worried and made sure the president wasn't elected by popular vote.

What he gives the people is something the crave. It's not good leadership or governance, in case you were wondering, it's entertainment.

 

[eagle1462010]

If it is Trump vs Hillary, he might lose, and I do mean might. A LOT of disappointed democrats will stay home giving him the edge, but a lot of republicans will also stay home. It will come down to how hated Hillary is. The independents might not vote for either.

If it's Trump vs Sanders then Trump wins no problem. Few Americans except the radical left will vote a socialist into office.

Rubio would beat both DNC candidates. Therefor I would have to disagree that Trump is the best bet.

Think about this as part of a dynamic process if you really want to anticipate what will eventually happen.

Right now Trump is going up in polls, and there is no reason to believe he has some fictional cap. People were saying that about Romney in 2012 as well and were proven wrong. Trump isnt polling high as a second choice, but he has been a lot of peoples third or forth choice behind idealistic candidates like Carson and Kasich.

Hillary is dropping in the polls as she shows the world she is a cheating cantankerous old hag, cheating Sanders, lying to authorities about her email and secured document handling and may be indicted just prior to the election. Her poll numbers will continue to drop.

Rubio is a provenliar, and though he has rising numbers, as people become more informed with his track record he will start hemorraging supporters.

Rubio is a loser no matter who yo put up against him. He even makes Hillary look honest.

You are letting your dislike of Rubio cloud your thinking. He isn't my first choice but I can easily see him beating both Democrat candidates handily. It's a fact that lying is almost a positive thing with most democrats and many independants. Obama's reelection proves that. Plus there are a great many voters who vote for stupid reasons like looks, youth, and ethnicity which Rubio has all of. He beats either candidate pretty easily, IMO.

The millenials may very well decide the election..........................they are easily moved by political bs............something to think about..................Trump using Mob tactics may very well garner that vote...........hell the unions were spinning with Trump..............strange times...............may require strange tactics...................

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Just enforcing the laws is not enough. Legal immigrants are as much part of the problem.

According to the guest worker program laws, the employers are supposed to be offering the jobs first to Americans. Not only is this not being enforced, some employers have made the sham so obvious that they have Americans train their guest worker replacements on the job.

Start enforcing those laws and fining employers and banning them from future guest workers and you will see that righted.

SOunds good.

But no reason to not actually limit legal immigration, too.

I'll have to disagree with you on this comment.

I see it in my industry all the time; foreigners taking jobs Americans should have.

Americans are frantic that our wages are not increasing. In fact, some cities and states are responding by increasing minimum wage.

Employment works well if left to the supply and demand process. The more supply and less demand, the lower the price. The less supply and higher demand, the higher the price.

How do we expect industry to increase wages when we have a never ending supply of labor from other countries that will accept low pay? It can't happen.

 

[imawhosure]

If it is Trump vs Hillary, he might lose, and I do mean might. A LOT of disappointed democrats will stay home giving him the edge, but a lot of republicans will also stay home. It will come down to how hated Hillary is. The independents might not vote for either.

If it's Trump vs Sanders then Trump wins no problem. Few Americans except the radical left will vote a socialist into office.

Rubio would beat both DNC candidates. Therefor I would have to disagree that Trump is the best bet.

Think about this as part of a dynamic process if you really want to anticipate what will eventually happen.

Right now Trump is going up in polls, and there is no reason to believe he has some fictional cap. People were saying that about Romney in 2012 as well and were proven wrong. Trump isnt polling high as a second choice, but he has been a lot of peoples third or forth choice behind idealistic candidates like Carson and Kasich.

Hillary is dropping in the polls as she shows the world she is a cheating cantankerous old hag, cheating Sanders, lying to authorities about her email and secured document handling and may be indicted just prior to the election. Her poll numbers will continue to drop.

Rubio is a provenliar, and though he has rising numbers, as people become more informed with his track record he will start hemorraging supporters.

Rubio is a loser no matter who yo put up against him. He even makes Hillary look honest.

You are letting your dislike of Rubio cloud your thinking. He isn't my first choice but I can easily see him beating both Democrat candidates handily. It's a fact that lying is almost a positive thing with most democrats and many independants. Obama's reelection proves that. Plus there are a great many voters who vote for stupid reasons like looks, youth, and ethnicity which Rubio has all of. He beats either candidate pretty easily, IMO.

I think you are correct Pred. He would probably win the easiest, which would make the establishment happy as hell since he is absolutely controllable. How much actual change we would get is the big question. If winning the easiest is the number 1 desire of GOP voters, then Rubio is their guy!

 

[Correll]

Just enforcing the laws is not enough. Legal immigrants are as much part of the problem.

According to the guest worker program laws, the employers are supposed to be offering the jobs first to Americans. Not only is this not being enforced, some employers have made the sham so obvious that they have Americans train their guest worker replacements on the job.

Start enforcing those laws and fining employers and banning them from future guest workers and you will see that righted.

SOunds good.

But no reason to not actually limit legal immigration, too.

I'll have to disagree with you on this comment.

I see it in my industry all the time; foreigners taking jobs Americans should have.

Americans are frantic that our wages are not increasing. In fact, some cities and states are responding by increasing minimum wage.

Employment works well if left to the supply and demand process. The more supply and less demand, the lower the price. The less supply and higher demand, the higher the price.

How do we expect industry to increase wages when we have a never ending supply of labor from other countries that will accept low pay? It can't happen.

I thought that was what I said.

Yes, we must limit supply if we want price ie wages to rise.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Just enforcing the laws is not enough. Legal immigrants are as much part of the problem.

According to the guest worker program laws, the employers are supposed to be offering the jobs first to Americans. Not only is this not being enforced, some employers have made the sham so obvious that they have Americans train their guest worker replacements on the job.

Start enforcing those laws and fining employers and banning them from future guest workers and you will see that righted.

SOunds good.

But no reason to not actually limit legal immigration, too.

I'll have to disagree with you on this comment.

I see it in my industry all the time; foreigners taking jobs Americans should have.

Americans are frantic that our wages are not increasing. In fact, some cities and states are responding by increasing minimum wage.

Employment works well if left to the supply and demand process. The more supply and less demand, the lower the price. The less supply and higher demand, the higher the price.

How do we expect industry to increase wages when we have a never ending supply of labor from other countries that will accept low pay? It can't happen.

I thought that was what I said.

Yes, we must limit supply if we want price ie wages to rise.

My bad...... reading too quickly. Just got up and had breakfast. LOL. Missed the word "not" in your reply.

 

[PredFan]

Republicans have broken voter turnout records in every state so far. I'm pretty sure that is the result of the Trump phenomenon. I'm also pretty sure a lot of his supporters will disappear with him if he loses the nomination. I know how much a lot of you dislike Trump, but at this point he is probably the best bet for a Republican win.

If it is Trump vs Hillary, he might lose, and I do mean might. A LOT of disappointed democrats will stay home giving him the edge, but a lot of republicans will also stay home. It will come down to how hated Hillary is. The independents might not vote for either.

If it's Trump vs Sanders then Trump wins no problem. Few Americans except the radical left will vote a socialist into office.

Rubio would beat both DNC candidates. Therefor I would have to disagree that Trump is the best bet.

Trump will be attractive to the Working Class dems in the Rust Belt.

And the America were a admitted socialist would have no chance was the America we grew up in.

That's gone, or at least only part of the picture now.

Its not gone yet. Its still entrenched enough that Bernie cannot win.

 

[PredFan]

If it is Trump vs Hillary, he might lose, and I do mean might. A LOT of disappointed democrats will stay home giving him the edge, but a lot of republicans will also stay home. It will come down to how hated Hillary is. The independents might not vote for either.

If it's Trump vs Sanders then Trump wins no problem. Few Americans except the radical left will vote a socialist into office.

Rubio would beat both DNC candidates. Therefor I would have to disagree that Trump is the best bet.

Think about this as part of a dynamic process if you really want to anticipate what will eventually happen.

Right now Trump is going up in polls, and there is no reason to believe he has some fictional cap. People were saying that about Romney in 2012 as well and were proven wrong. Trump isnt polling high as a second choice, but he has been a lot of peoples third or forth choice behind idealistic candidates like Carson and Kasich.

Hillary is dropping in the polls as she shows the world she is a cheating cantankerous old hag, cheating Sanders, lying to authorities about her email and secured document handling and may be indicted just prior to the election. Her poll numbers will continue to drop.

Rubio is a provenliar, and though he has rising numbers, as people become more informed with his track record he will start hemorraging supporters.

Rubio is a loser no matter who yo put up against him. He even makes Hillary look honest.

You are letting your dislike of Rubio cloud your thinking. He isn't my first choice but I can easily see him beating both Democrat candidates handily. It's a fact that lying is almost a positive thing with most democrats and many independants. Obama's reelection proves that. Plus there are a great many voters who vote for stupid reasons like looks, youth, and ethnicity which Rubio has all of. He beats either candidate pretty easily, IMO.

I think you are correct Pred. He would probably win the easiest, which would make the establishment happy as hell since he is absolutely controllable. How much actual change we would get is the big question. If winning the easiest is the number 1 desire of GOP voters, then Rubio is their guy!

I used to care more about conservative credentials, but the death of Scalia has made having a republican make the choice is now the most important factor in this race.

 

[eagle1462010]

If it is Trump vs Hillary, he might lose, and I do mean might. A LOT of disappointed democrats will stay home giving him the edge, but a lot of republicans will also stay home. It will come down to how hated Hillary is. The independents might not vote for either.

If it's Trump vs Sanders then Trump wins no problem. Few Americans except the radical left will vote a socialist into office.

Rubio would beat both DNC candidates. Therefor I would have to disagree that Trump is the best bet.

Think about this as part of a dynamic process if you really want to anticipate what will eventually happen.

Right now Trump is going up in polls, and there is no reason to believe he has some fictional cap. People were saying that about Romney in 2012 as well and were proven wrong. Trump isnt polling high as a second choice, but he has been a lot of peoples third or forth choice behind idealistic candidates like Carson and Kasich.

Hillary is dropping in the polls as she shows the world she is a cheating cantankerous old hag, cheating Sanders, lying to authorities about her email and secured document handling and may be indicted just prior to the election. Her poll numbers will continue to drop.

Rubio is a provenliar, and though he has rising numbers, as people become more informed with his track record he will start hemorraging supporters.

Rubio is a loser no matter who yo put up against him. He even makes Hillary look honest.

You are letting your dislike of Rubio cloud your thinking. He isn't my first choice but I can easily see him beating both Democrat candidates handily. It's a fact that lying is almost a positive thing with most democrats and many independants. Obama's reelection proves that. Plus there are a great many voters who vote for stupid reasons like looks, youth, and ethnicity which Rubio has all of. He beats either candidate pretty easily, IMO.

I think you are correct Pred. He would probably win the easiest, which would make the establishment happy as hell since he is absolutely controllable. How much actual change we would get is the big question. If winning the easiest is the number 1 desire of GOP voters, then Rubio is their guy!

I used to care more about conservative credentials, but the death of Scalia has made having a republican make the choice is now the most important factor in this race.

2 more Supremes will more than likely be at stake as well............Scalia just put it front and center instead of a back burner issue...................

 

[PredFan]

If it is Trump vs Hillary, he might lose, and I do mean might. A LOT of disappointed democrats will stay home giving him the edge, but a lot of republicans will also stay home. It will come down to how hated Hillary is. The independents might not vote for either.

If it's Trump vs Sanders then Trump wins no problem. Few Americans except the radical left will vote a socialist into office.

Rubio would beat both DNC candidates. Therefor I would have to disagree that Trump is the best bet.

Think about this as part of a dynamic process if you really want to anticipate what will eventually happen.

Right now Trump is going up in polls, and there is no reason to believe he has some fictional cap. People were saying that about Romney in 2012 as well and were proven wrong. Trump isnt polling high as a second choice, but he has been a lot of peoples third or forth choice behind idealistic candidates like Carson and Kasich.

Hillary is dropping in the polls as she shows the world she is a cheating cantankerous old hag, cheating Sanders, lying to authorities about her email and secured document handling and may be indicted just prior to the election. Her poll numbers will continue to drop.

Rubio is a provenliar, and though he has rising numbers, as people become more informed with his track record he will start hemorraging supporters.

Rubio is a loser no matter who yo put up against him. He even makes Hillary look honest.

You are letting your dislike of Rubio cloud your thinking. He isn't my first choice but I can easily see him beating both Democrat candidates handily. It's a fact that lying is almost a positive thing with most democrats and many independants. Obama's reelection proves that. Plus there are a great many voters who vote for stupid reasons like looks, youth, and ethnicity which Rubio has all of. He beats either candidate pretty easily, IMO.

I think you are correct Pred. He would probably win the easiest, which would make the establishment happy as hell since he is absolutely controllable. How much actual change we would get is the big question. If winning the easiest is the number 1 desire of GOP voters, then Rubio is their guy!

I used to care more about conservative credentials, but the death of Scalia has made having a republican make the choice is now the most important factor in this race.

2 more Supremes will more than likely be at stake as well............Scalia just put it front and center instead of a back burner issue...................

That is one of the things that worries me about Trump. What kind of pick will he make?

 

[eagle1462010]

Think about this as part of a dynamic process if you really want to anticipate what will eventually happen.

Right now Trump is going up in polls, and there is no reason to believe he has some fictional cap. People were saying that about Romney in 2012 as well and were proven wrong. Trump isnt polling high as a second choice, but he has been a lot of peoples third or forth choice behind idealistic candidates like Carson and Kasich.

Hillary is dropping in the polls as she shows the world she is a cheating cantankerous old hag, cheating Sanders, lying to authorities about her email and secured document handling and may be indicted just prior to the election. Her poll numbers will continue to drop.

Rubio is a provenliar, and though he has rising numbers, as people become more informed with his track record he will start hemorraging supporters.

Rubio is a loser no matter who yo put up against him. He even makes Hillary look honest.

You are letting your dislike of Rubio cloud your thinking. He isn't my first choice but I can easily see him beating both Democrat candidates handily. It's a fact that lying is almost a positive thing with most democrats and many independants. Obama's reelection proves that. Plus there are a great many voters who vote for stupid reasons like looks, youth, and ethnicity which Rubio has all of. He beats either candidate pretty easily, IMO.

I think you are correct Pred. He would probably win the easiest, which would make the establishment happy as hell since he is absolutely controllable. How much actual change we would get is the big question. If winning the easiest is the number 1 desire of GOP voters, then Rubio is their guy!

I used to care more about conservative credentials, but the death of Scalia has made having a republican make the choice is now the most important factor in this race.

2 more Supremes will more than likely be at stake as well............Scalia just put it front and center instead of a back burner issue...................

That is one of the things that worries me about Trump. What kind of pick will he make?

I honestly don't know.

 

[Stephanie]

Republicans have broken voter turnout records in every state so far. I'm pretty sure that is the result of the Trump phenomenon. I'm also pretty sure a lot of his supporters will disappear with him if he loses the nomination. I know how much a lot of you dislike Trump, but at this point he is probably the best bet for a Republican win.

The Republican party is shattered into pieces. There are millions of Republicans that won't vote for Trump no matter what. Many believe that Hillary Clinton is more conservative than he is. Whether he'll be able to convince them that he's really not a liberal, is the question. He has a real history of supporting liberal democrat policies, like Obama's 878 billion dollar stimulus bill.

That Time Donald Trump Praised The Stimulus Package On Fox News

lol, I'd take Trumps liberal over those of the two Socialist/commies running for the Democrat party, the old fogy Bernie and the Corrupted old witch Shrillary

 

[Correll]

Republicans have broken voter turnout records in every state so far. I'm pretty sure that is the result of the Trump phenomenon. I'm also pretty sure a lot of his supporters will disappear with him if he loses the nomination. I know how much a lot of you dislike Trump, but at this point he is probably the best bet for a Republican win.

If it is Trump vs Hillary, he might lose, and I do mean might. A LOT of disappointed democrats will stay home giving him the edge, but a lot of republicans will also stay home. It will come down to how hated Hillary is. The independents might not vote for either.

If it's Trump vs Sanders then Trump wins no problem. Few Americans except the radical left will vote a socialist into office.

Rubio would beat both DNC candidates. Therefor I would have to disagree that Trump is the best bet.

Trump will be attractive to the Working Class dems in the Rust Belt.

And the America were a admitted socialist would have no chance was the America we grew up in.

That's gone, or at least only part of the picture now.

Its not gone yet. Its still entrenched enough that Bernie cannot win.

I hope you are right and I am wrong.

 

[Correll]

Think about this as part of a dynamic process if you really want to anticipate what will eventually happen.

Right now Trump is going up in polls, and there is no reason to believe he has some fictional cap. People were saying that about Romney in 2012 as well and were proven wrong. Trump isnt polling high as a second choice, but he has been a lot of peoples third or forth choice behind idealistic candidates like Carson and Kasich.

Hillary is dropping in the polls as she shows the world she is a cheating cantankerous old hag, cheating Sanders, lying to authorities about her email and secured document handling and may be indicted just prior to the election. Her poll numbers will continue to drop.

Rubio is a provenliar, and though he has rising numbers, as people become more informed with his track record he will start hemorraging supporters.

Rubio is a loser no matter who yo put up against him. He even makes Hillary look honest.

You are letting your dislike of Rubio cloud your thinking. He isn't my first choice but I can easily see him beating both Democrat candidates handily. It's a fact that lying is almost a positive thing with most democrats and many independants. Obama's reelection proves that. Plus there are a great many voters who vote for stupid reasons like looks, youth, and ethnicity which Rubio has all of. He beats either candidate pretty easily, IMO.

I think you are correct Pred. He would probably win the easiest, which would make the establishment happy as hell since he is absolutely controllable. How much actual change we would get is the big question. If winning the easiest is the number 1 desire of GOP voters, then Rubio is their guy!

I used to care more about conservative credentials, but the death of Scalia has made having a republican make the choice is now the most important factor in this race.

2 more Supremes will more than likely be at stake as well............Scalia just put it front and center instead of a back burner issue...................

That is one of the things that worries me about Trump. What kind of pick will he make?

It literally CANNOT be worse than what one of the three dems in question would pick.

 

[Toro]

The only thing making Rubio viable is Trump and Cruz together. Remove either one of them, and Rubio won't even be close, it will be over.

Trump trails Rubio badly if Cruz isn't in the race.

 

[longknife]

Republicans have broken voter turnout records in every state so far. I'm pretty sure that is the result of the Trump phenomenon. I'm also pretty sure a lot of his supporters will disappear with him if he loses the nomination. I know how much a lot of you dislike Trump, but at this point he is probably the best bet for a Republican win.

No matter what you believe or think, there should be only one goal for the 2016 election - KEEP OBAMA FROM A THIRD TERM!

 

[JimBowie1958]

I think you are correct Pred. He would probably win the easiest, which would make the establishment happy as hell since he is absolutely controllable. How much actual change we would get is the big question. If winning the easiest is the number 1 desire of GOP voters, then Rubio is their guy!

The Establishment in ght GOP makes no secret of their wish to win, but they work off a flawed electoral concept. T

The electorate is about 20% self-described liberal, 35% self described moderate and 45% self described conservative.

And yet the exit poles in recent Presidential elections with McCain and Romney have shown an even turn out between liberals and conservatives, so the use of centrist moderate candidates like Rubio DOES NOT WORK because for every 1% they gain in the center, they lose 5% in the conservative base that either stays home or might vote but wont volunteer with the campaign effort.

So we have this hilarious phenomena where 'sure loser' candidates like Reagan and W Bush win and sure sin candidates like Dole, McCain, Ford, Romney, etc, LOSE BIG.

lol, but yet, despite the record, people continue to think that Republicans cant win unless they nominate some lying PoS like Rubio.

Rubio is a loser cut from the same mold as Dole,Ford, Romney and McCain.

Why throw away another election?