Julie Swetnick, the new accuser

[HereWeGoAgain]

So, what she is stating is that she went to multiple parties where girls kept getting gang raped, and she kept going until it was finally her turn.

Hmm... Sounds believable.

I guess she figured if she went to enough of the parties she would eventually get lucky.

 

[Asclepias]

They probably are living their lives and not willing to be called liars and sluts so they wont come out. There is a reason why rape is the most unreported crime.

how convenient.

I'd say. Its got to be terribly inconvenient having people call you with death threats, calling you a liar, a slut, and having your life turned upside down.

Mrs Kavanugh can attest to that. Probably her children as well.

But lets not let that get in the way of the left.

Too bad Mr Kavanaugh doesnt care enough about his wife and kids to call in the FBI to clear his name if he is innocent right?

shit stain.... the FBI doesn't investigate these things....the only reason they were involved in the Anita Hill case was the fact that both Hill and Thomas were Federal Employees at the time and the alleged crimes took place on Federal property...you moron.

You idiot. All Drumpf has to say is run another BG.

 

[boedicca]

Fortunately there are still some Americans who admit they really don't know what to believe.

The charges are serious and disturbing, but the timing is highly questionable.

We really are one fucked up society.
.

We're destroying 2500 years of human progress and reverting back to tribal sacrifices.

In the 2nd Century AD, Trajan rejected anonymous lists of Christians as evidence of guilt for not being fitting for their society. We've allowed anonymous accusations to smear an innocent man. Once the Smearers see the accusations are getting traction, they manufacture evidence. It's disgusting.

It's not a coincidence that this travesty of justice has a Conservative Catholic as its target, btw - a 21st Century version of throwing a Christian to the Lions, but with less evidence than Trajan would have accepted nearly two millennia ago.

Progressives do not promote Progress; they are complete Reactionaries who are gaslighting and destroying civilization.

 

[Asclepias]

Fortunately there are still some Americans who admit they really don't know what to believe.

The charges are serious and disturbing, but the timing is highly questionable.

We really are one fucked up society.
.

We're destroying 2500 years of human progress and reverting back to tribal sacrifices.

In the 2nd Century AD, Trajan rejected anonymous lists of Christians as evidence of guilt for not being fitting for their society. We've allowed anonymous accusations to smear an innocent man. Once the Smearers see the accusations are getting traction, they manufacture evidence. It's disgusting.

It's not a coincidence that this travesty of justice has a Conservative Catholic as its target, btw - a 21st Century version of throwing a Christian to the Lions, but with less evidence than Trajan would have accepted nearly two millennia ago.

Progressives do not promote Progress; they are complete Reactionaries who are gaslighting and destroying civilization.

Obviously you havent gotten the memo. Even Kav is now walking back his choir boy act and admitting he drank and did things he regrets.

 

[mudwhistle]

She better have more than just an allegation, she signed a sworn affidavit, she lied and it carries criminal liability

Very true

Gives credence to her story

Yeah, she would never lie.....which is why she keeps refusing to testify.

She just came forward today

Will Republicans allow her to testify?

Better question is what demands will she make before she agrees to testify?

There's the rub.
I see a real reluctance to tell her story.

 

[boedicca]

Fortunately there are still some Americans who admit they really don't know what to believe.

The charges are serious and disturbing, but the timing is highly questionable.

We really are one fucked up society.
.

We're destroying 2500 years of human progress and reverting back to tribal sacrifices.

In the 2nd Century AD, Trajan rejected anonymous lists of Christians as evidence of guilt for not being fitting for their society. We've allowed anonymous accusations to smear an innocent man. Once the Smearers see the accusations are getting traction, they manufacture evidence. It's disgusting.

It's not a coincidence that this travesty of justice has a Conservative Catholic as its target, btw - a 21st Century version of throwing a Christian to the Lions, but with less evidence than Trajan would have accepted nearly two millennia ago.

Progressives do not promote Progress; they are complete Reactionaries who are gaslighting and destroying civilization.

Obviously you havent gotten the memo. Even Kav is now walking back his choir boy act and admitting he drank and did things he regrets.

Sorry to disappoint. But a teenage boy have a few beers is not the same as rape.

And EVERY HUMAN BEING WHO HAS EVER EXISTED has done things he regrets. If you want to hold PERFECTION as the standard, only the Perfectly Evil will claw their way to the top.

 

[emilynghiem]

RE: Her claim is absurd and untrue...

If anyone has half a brain would think otherwise.

Why do you dismiss it so easily? What evidence do you have that her claim is untrue?

What evidence do you or anyone else have that it's true?

Seriously? It has been all over the media. Most of the afternoon. Of course, it all depends on where you are even getting your news.

Julie Swetnick, the new accuser

Dear USMB posters above:

What task0778 and others mean is empirical, proven evidence not hearsay.
We are saying just because the media reports things, that doesn't mean it is evidence because it isn't proven yet.
Is that more clear?

You cannot be officially tried in the media.
There are legal protections of due process
as in the Fourteenth and Fifth Amendments:

No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

No person shall be held to answer for a capital or otherwise infamous crime unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation.

Otherwise
to abuse govt to DEPRIVE a citizen such as Kavanaugh
of LIBERTY without "due process of law"
is to VIOLATE THEIR EQUAL CIVIL RIGHTS AND PROTECTIONS OF THE LAW.

Do you want to be named as a party to a class action lawsuit?
Should others join Kavanaugh in a lawsuit against Democrats
for conspiring "as a party" to violate equal civil rights?

That's what I would charge this as, in joining such a mass complaint.
Govt and legal process cannot be ABUSED to VIOLATE civil rights
by DEPRIVING others of liberty without being proven guilty and convicted of a crime
or abuse that merits depriving them in that way.

So *IF* Kavanaugh is proven to perjure himself, YES, that is a violation
and he should lose liberty or office for such a violation.

But this is not proven yet.

So follow the due process,
Don't violate that legal process and then complain that others break the laws!

 

[forkup]

Fortunately there are still some Americans who admit they really don't know what to believe.

The charges are serious and disturbing, but the timing is highly questionable.

We really are one fucked up society.
.

We're destroying 2500 years of human progress and reverting back to tribal sacrifices.

In the 2nd Century AD, Trajan rejected anonymous lists of Christians as evidence of guilt for not being fitting for their society. We've allowed anonymous accusations to smear an innocent man. Once the Smearers see the accusations are getting traction, they manufacture evidence. It's disgusting.

It's not a coincidence that this travesty of justice has a Conservative Catholic as its target, btw - a 21st Century version of throwing a Christian to the Lions, but with less evidence than Trajan would have accepted nearly two millennia ago.

Progressives do not promote Progress; they are complete Reactionaries who are gaslighting and destroying civilization.

anonymous accusations

Hmms, what accusations are anonymous here?

they manufacture evidence.

Sure, how did the left do that? We found 3 people willing to face the wrath of the right, not to mention contempt of congress charges if found to have lied, for the opportunity to delay a right wing judge appointment to the bench? An appointment that could be withdrawn and someone put up that doesn't have this hanging out there?

Progressives do not promote Progress; they are complete Reactionaries who are gaslighting and destroying civilization.

I love this part. For not a few people on your side the presidents best trait is his ability to piss of anybody. He's going after about every institution out there. The DOJ,FBI, science, the press. Yet here you are saying we are gaslighting people. I'd suggest you look at this board on ANY day and count how many OP's are started that have no discernible reason for existence besides gaslighting Democrats. Look at the titles of the active threads, I dare you.

 

[MarcATL]

Oh crap. Its radical dems trying to destroy Cavenaughs life and his family. Funny how all this shit came out at the very end, after this process was all over and the Democrats couldnt find a way to stop him based on his work and his life, and despite having their crying banshees interfere in the proceedings.
What we are witnessing now is an all out assault from the left. This is why they wanted a delay... time to conjure up stories by their operatives.

If this particular story was true.... this woman saying she attended 10 rape parties? there would have been droves of women who knew this about Cavenaugh... this would have came up a long time ago. What crap.
The desperation of the political left is beyond pathetic now. You should all be ashamed of yourselves for trying to destroy his girls lives with these f'd up accusations just cause you dont want this guy to sit on the bench

How do you figure Kavanaught's life will be destroyed?

Describe what you think will happen to him, even if he's not granted the office he's up for.

Remember, he doesn't have a right to be a Supreme Court Judge.

 

[Pop23]

It simply this that makes the claim impossible to believe.

There would have to be victims. Of course you add to that the fact that none of these victims have come forward, because they don't exist, and she is in no legal or civil jeopardy.

A non victim cannot sue for damages, nor file charges.

So just where are these women who can back up this story? They should be coming out of the wood work.

but (crickets)

They probably are living their lives and not willing to be called liars and sluts so they wont come out. There is a reason why rape is the most unreported crime.

how convenient.

I'd say. Its got to be terribly inconvenient having people call you with death threats, calling you a liar, a slut, and having your life turned upside down.

Mrs Kavanugh can attest to that. Probably her children as well.

But lets not let that get in the way of the left.

Too bad Mr Kavanaugh doesnt care enough about his wife and kids to call in the FBI to clear his name if he is innocent right?

If he is innocent, why call in the FBI?

I might add, that if an investigation is called for, it is of Feinstein leaking this "confidential" information to the press instead of presenting it to the Committee.

 

[Pop23]

Fortunately there are still some Americans who admit they really don't know what to believe.

The charges are serious and disturbing, but the timing is highly questionable.

We really are one fucked up society.
.

We're destroying 2500 years of human progress and reverting back to tribal sacrifices.

In the 2nd Century AD, Trajan rejected anonymous lists of Christians as evidence of guilt for not being fitting for their society. We've allowed anonymous accusations to smear an innocent man. Once the Smearers see the accusations are getting traction, they manufacture evidence. It's disgusting.

It's not a coincidence that this travesty of justice has a Conservative Catholic as its target, btw - a 21st Century version of throwing a Christian to the Lions, but with less evidence than Trajan would have accepted nearly two millennia ago.

Progressives do not promote Progress; they are complete Reactionaries who are gaslighting and destroying civilization.

anonymous accusations

Hmms, what accusations are anonymous here?

they manufacture evidence.

Sure, how did the left do that? We found 3 people willing to face the wrath of the right, not to mention contempt of congress charges if found to have lied, for the opportunity to delay a right wing judge appointment to the bench? An appointment that could be withdrawn and someone put up that doesn't have this hanging out there?

Progressives do not promote Progress; they are complete Reactionaries who are gaslighting and destroying civilization.

I love this part. For not a few people on your side the presidents best trait is his ability to piss of anybody. He's going after about every institution out there. The DOJ,FBI, science, the press. Yet here you are saying we are gaslighting people. I'd suggest you look at this board on ANY day and count how many OP's are started that have no discernible reason for existence besides gaslighting Democrats. Look at the titles of the active threads, I dare you.

I'm not seeing the rights version of "antifa" anywhere? You?

I'm not seeing the lefts politicians being chased out of public places? You?

The right is civilized. For now anyway.

 

[MarcATL]

So literal. LMAO. I am a child? Is that why you're hitting on me? Perv.

You would like that...wouldn't you? You saucy little minx!

 

[Cecilie1200]

How in the hell did this serial rapist make it through six FBI background checks?

He had a NICS background check (like with gun background checks) and fingerprints. They interviewed some unspecified people.

Use some common sense folks.

If this had really happened back then it would have been all over the news and the police would be involved.

People don't keep their mouths shut about stuff like this. It would have been all over town.

You can bet the "gang raped" girls would been talking about it. And you can bet their parents would have gone to the police.

The fact that only Swetnick has come forward 36 years late speaks volumes.

If this had really happened every gang raped woman would be right there with Swetnick.

Common Sense 101

No it wouldn’t.
Raunchy frat boy stuff

Animal House came out at the same time

Animal House was a movie.

You mean to tell me that none of these supposed "gang rapes" would have been outed??

Get real. No one keeps their mouths shut about stuff like that.

It would have been all over the campus, the restaurants, the bars and anywhere people met up.

Nothing like that could have been kept secret. People blab. They always have and always will.

Also where are the other women that Swetnick says were raped?? She's the only one who came forward 36 years later??

Get real.

Actually...women keep their mouths shut a lot about that kind of stuff.....at least they used to. Now, thanks to movements like #MeToo, fewer and fewer women are keeping silence. That is a good thing....tho I know it threatens men who like to be in control.

These were kids at a college party. They wouldn't keep their mouths shut. Kids never do. They aren't smart enough.

Not to mention the other people who were a the party. They would have told others and those others would have spread the gossip everywhere.

Everyone in every bar, restaurant and pizza parlor would have been talking about this if it actually happened.

That's the reason I think its all a crock of shit.

It was HIGH SCHOOL, not college. In high school, we did go to great lengths to make sure our parents didn't know what we were up to, but I'll tell you what I would have done if anything like that ever happened at a party I was at:
I would have gotten every non-involved girl and hopefully some boys with brains to rush the gang rape room and give them 5 seconds to clear out or someone downstairs posted by the phone was going to call the cops.
And I would have meant it.

Would your parents have let you go to a house party in another city, technically in another state, every weekend as this crazy woman claims? (I'm not even ready to address any other aspect of treating this lunatic fever dream scenario as serious.)

 

[Pop23]

Do you think Avenatti is on cocaine.....the lies she was telling could have been believable with the innappropriate contact, the drinking...but then, I think the cocaine took over and in a drug addled moment he said, let's say they had rape trains......

It reminds me of those scenes in the Wolf of Wall St......

So Avanatti has two high profile clients now:

One who says she is pissed because she claims to have felt obligated to sleep with a married man because she had diner with him,

and a second that claims she went to OVER TEN parties where young girls were gang raped and never went to the Police.

Yep, that's a client list to be proud of!

 

[forkup]

Fortunately there are still some Americans who admit they really don't know what to believe.

The charges are serious and disturbing, but the timing is highly questionable.

We really are one fucked up society.
.

We're destroying 2500 years of human progress and reverting back to tribal sacrifices.

In the 2nd Century AD, Trajan rejected anonymous lists of Christians as evidence of guilt for not being fitting for their society. We've allowed anonymous accusations to smear an innocent man. Once the Smearers see the accusations are getting traction, they manufacture evidence. It's disgusting.

It's not a coincidence that this travesty of justice has a Conservative Catholic as its target, btw - a 21st Century version of throwing a Christian to the Lions, but with less evidence than Trajan would have accepted nearly two millennia ago.

Progressives do not promote Progress; they are complete Reactionaries who are gaslighting and destroying civilization.

anonymous accusations

Hmms, what accusations are anonymous here?

they manufacture evidence.

Sure, how did the left do that? We found 3 people willing to face the wrath of the right, not to mention contempt of congress charges if found to have lied, for the opportunity to delay a right wing judge appointment to the bench? An appointment that could be withdrawn and someone put up that doesn't have this hanging out there?

Progressives do not promote Progress; they are complete Reactionaries who are gaslighting and destroying civilization.

I love this part. For not a few people on your side the presidents best trait is his ability to piss of anybody. He's going after about every institution out there. The DOJ,FBI, science, the press. Yet here you are saying we are gaslighting people. I'd suggest you look at this board on ANY day and count how many OP's are started that have no discernible reason for existence besides gaslighting Democrats. Look at the titles of the active threads, I dare you.

I'm not seeing the rights version of "antifa" anywhere? You?

I'm not seeing the lefts politicians being chased out of public places? You?

The right is civilized. For now anyway.

You sure about that?

Gunman in ‘Pizzagate’ Shooting Is Sentenced to 4 Years in Prison
UPDATE: Man sentenced for beating of state senator
From where I sit there's enough extremism to go around.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Kavanaugh's confirmation should not be delayed another instant.

 

[Dana7360]

Julie Swetnick: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com
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Wow this is serious business, if true.

I really find it hard to believe that a whole lot of girls could have this happen to them and not a single one reported it to anyone? The other allegations, yes, I can understand keeping your mouth shut, but not this.
Boys lined up in the hall waiting ? Are you KIDDING me?

These are children of people who had standing and some power. I know that kavanaugh's mother was a lawyer then a judge.

No young girl is going to accuse the son of a lawyer then judge of something like this. Girls know what happens when they speak up.

Keep in mind this was the early 80s. It was even harder back then.

Girls keep this quiet for many reasons.

I do believe that it's possible for this happened. I do believe that if it did, they didn't tell anyone.

I saw it happen to a friend once. We got her out of the room she was in as soon as we found out about what was happening. As far as I know, no one told anyone's parents or any adults. I know I never did.

However, the boys who did that didn't escape consequences from his peers and the rest of us. They were no longer welcome around us or to our parties. They were shunned and no one wanted anything to do with them.

I have no problem believing any of this is probably true. I grew up going to school with the mayor's kids, the governor's kids and kids of other politicians and business people. Most were raised well but not all of them and they had the same attitudes about girls and people that I'm seeing be exposed in kavanaugh.

No matter if this happened or not, this man has lied to congress many times. Has obtained and used stolen documents then lied about it. He participated in justifying torturing human beings and lied about it. All to congress. Which is a crime.

A man who spent his childhood doing the things he's been accused of is very easily the same man who will accept stolen documents then use them against his opponents, will justify torturing people then lie about the whole thing to congress and anyone who will confront him with any of it.

A man who can harass abuse and possibly rape a girl is very easily the same man who when grown writes justifications for torturing human beings as an adult.

This all fits a pattern I've seen way too many times in my life.

This man isn't fit to be on our supreme court.

 

[skookerasbil]

A 3rd accuser + headline of GANG RAPE is a Godsend for Kavanaugh. Punches his ticket as next SCOTUS judge.

LOL....look at the headline on DRUDGE right now............

NEW ACCUSER CLAIMS 'GANG RAPE'
SHE SAID, SHE SAID, SHE SAID




The DUMS just cant help themselves, can they?

 

[forkup]

Fortunately there are still some Americans who admit they really don't know what to believe.

The charges are serious and disturbing, but the timing is highly questionable.

We really are one fucked up society.
.

We're destroying 2500 years of human progress and reverting back to tribal sacrifices.

In the 2nd Century AD, Trajan rejected anonymous lists of Christians as evidence of guilt for not being fitting for their society. We've allowed anonymous accusations to smear an innocent man. Once the Smearers see the accusations are getting traction, they manufacture evidence. It's disgusting.

It's not a coincidence that this travesty of justice has a Conservative Catholic as its target, btw - a 21st Century version of throwing a Christian to the Lions, but with less evidence than Trajan would have accepted nearly two millennia ago.

Progressives do not promote Progress; they are complete Reactionaries who are gaslighting and destroying civilization.

anonymous accusations

Hmms, what accusations are anonymous here?

they manufacture evidence.

Sure, how did the left do that? We found 3 people willing to face the wrath of the right, not to mention contempt of congress charges if found to have lied, for the opportunity to delay a right wing judge appointment to the bench? An appointment that could be withdrawn and someone put up that doesn't have this hanging out there?

Progressives do not promote Progress; they are complete Reactionaries who are gaslighting and destroying civilization.

I love this part. For not a few people on your side the presidents best trait is his ability to piss of anybody. He's going after about every institution out there. The DOJ,FBI, science, the press. Yet here you are saying we are gaslighting people. I'd suggest you look at this board on ANY day and count how many OP's are started that have no discernible reason for existence besides gaslighting Democrats. Look at the titles of the active threads, I dare you.

I'm not seeing the rights version of "antifa" anywhere? You?

I'm not seeing the lefts politicians being chased out of public places? You?

The right is civilized. For now anyway.

You sure about that?
View attachment 218697
Gunman in ‘Pizzagate’ Shooting Is Sentenced to 4 Years in Prison
UPDATE: Man sentenced for beating of state senator
From where I sit there's enough extremism to go around.

On a different note. I do wish the writer of the 3rd article placed a comma in that sentence.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Fortunately there are still some Americans who admit they really don't know what to believe.

The charges are serious and disturbing, but the timing is highly questionable.

We really are one fucked up society.
.

We're destroying 2500 years of human progress and reverting back to tribal sacrifices.

In the 2nd Century AD, Trajan rejected anonymous lists of Christians as evidence of guilt for not being fitting for their society. We've allowed anonymous accusations to smear an innocent man. Once the Smearers see the accusations are getting traction, they manufacture evidence. It's disgusting.

It's not a coincidence that this travesty of justice has a Conservative Catholic as its target, btw - a 21st Century version of throwing a Christian to the Lions, but with less evidence than Trajan would have accepted nearly two millennia ago.

Progressives do not promote Progress; they are complete Reactionaries who are gaslighting and destroying civilization.

Obviously you havent gotten the memo. Even Kav is now walking back his choir boy act and admitting he drank and did things he regrets.

Sorry to disappoint. But a teenage boy have a few beers is not the same as rape.

And EVERY HUMAN BEING WHO HAS EVER EXISTED has done things he regrets. If you want to hold PERFECTION as the standard, only the Perfectly Evil will claw their way to the top.

Or she....