Judge Cannon weighs dismissal of Trump classified documents case

[SeaMajor7]

Which election did they interfere in?

To the best of my knowledge the Special Prosecutor filed charges in August of 2023. There was no election or announced candidate at that time. And the alleged crimes were committed two years before that.

Again, to the best of my knowledge Don Trump has not run in an election since November of 2020 and he lost badly in that one.....with an Electoral College landslide, and something like 11 million in the popular vote, if I recall properly.

You just can't help yourself.......

 

[WorldWatcher]

I am pretty sure that Bush, Obama and Clinton have classified documents in their presidential records.
That means that Merrick Garland and Jack Smith will also have to prosecute them.
Their whole case against Trump is 100% partisan and election interference.

You would be correct. Bush, Obama, and Clinton have classified documents in their presidential records.

Since they were turned over the the National Archives and are maintained by the United States Government there is not case for prosecution.

WW

 

[WorldWatcher]

SENATOR BIDEN HAD NO LEGAL STANDING FOR POSSESSION OF CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS!!!!!!!!!
You fucking retarded HYPOCRITES are pathetic.

None of the documents in the Biden case were classified.

See, he secretly and mentally declassified all documents in his possession and on top of that he gave himself a secret and mental pardon. So he's off the hook.

(Like FPOTUS#45 claims he did when he told the public he declassified them after leaving office but didn't tell anyone at the time.)

WW

 

[SeaMajor7]

None of the documents in the Biden case were classified.

See, he secretly and mentally declassified all documents in his possession and on top of that he gave himself a secret and mental pardon. So he's off the hook.

(Like FPOTUS#45 claims he did when he told the public he declassified them after leaving office but didn't tell anyone at the time.)

WW

Okay Baghdad Bob.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Okay Baghdad Bob.

Learn to recognize a joke Karen.

WW

 

[skews13]

Facts First: Trump’s claims are false. The Presidential Records Act says that, the moment a president leaves office, NARA gets custody and control of all presidential records from his administration. Nothing in the act says there should be prolonged “talk” or a negotiated “agreement” between a former president and NARA over a former president’s return of presidential documents – much less that there should have been a months-long battle after NARA first contacted Trump’s team in 2021 to try to get some of the records that had not been handed over at the end of his presidency.

Jason R. Baron, former director of litigation at NARA, told CNN in an email on Tuesday: “The former President is simply wrong as a matter of law. As of noon on January 20, 2021, when President Biden took office, all presidential records of the Trump Administration came into the legal custody of the Archivist of the United States. Full stop. That means no presidential records ever should have been transferred to Mar-a-Lago, and there was no further talking or negotiating to be had.”

Timothy Naftali, a CNN presidential historian, New York University professor and former director of the Richard Nixon presidential library, described Trump’s claim as “nonsense” and said the former president’s description of the Presidential Records Act is “a matter of fantasy,” concocted to allow Trump to “pretend that he’s a victim.”

The act, Naftali said in a Tuesday interview, makes clear that documents Trump had at Mar-a-Lago are presidential records that legally belong to the public and are legally required to be in NARA’s custody. The act provides “no room for debates and discussions between presidential advisors and the National Archives at the end a presidency” about such records, Naftali said.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/29/politics/fact-check-trump-presidential-records-act-talk/index.html?cid=external-feeds_iluminar_yahoo

There is no legal standing for Trump's claim. But Aileen is Trump's sock puppet who has made previous rulings in his favor that have been overturned. If she does it again the DoJ should seek to have her removed from the case for incompetence and overt bias.

She would be removed for the reasons of appearance if nothing else, and MAGA worlds two braincells would immediately evaporate.

 

[SeaMajor7]

Learn to recognize a joke Karen.

WW

I remember that the National Archives people more or less told Trump to go fuck himself with regards to helping him with archiving his presidential records.......no joke.

 

[skews13]

None of the documents in the Biden case were classified.

See, he secretly and mentally declassified all documents in his possession and on top of that he gave himself a secret and mental pardon. So he's off the hook.

(Like FPOTUS#45 claims he did when he told the public he declassified them after leaving office but didn't tell anyone at the time.)

WW

Biden returned all documents without hesitation.

Trump didn't, and tried to obstruct their return.

We don't prosecute Biden now, because of Trumps obstruction.

Trump isn't being prosecuted for having documents. He's being prosecuted because he is a career criminal with a history of obstruction, lying, and cheating, and obstructed, lied, and cheated when asked to return documents of the highest national security.

 

[WorldWatcher]

I remember that the National Archives people more or less told Trump to go fuck himself with regards to helping him with archiving his presidential records.......no joke.

They were right.

The NARA isn't in a position to "help him with archiving his presidential records". It's their job to archive THEIR presidential records, they aren't his.

It's also not the job of the NARA to setup a Presidential Library, that is the job of the Ex-President through establishing a charitable foundation. Once the foundation exists and the site is built, then the NARA works with the library for displays.

FPOTUS#45 has shown no signs of establishing such a foundation and selecting a site.

WW

 

[SeaMajor7]

Biden returned all documents without hesitation.

Trump didn't, and tried to obstruct their return.

We don't prosecute Biden now, because of Trumps obstruction.

Trump isn't being prosecuted for having documents. He's being prosecuted because he is a career criminal with a history of obstruction, lying, and cheating, and obstructed, lied, and cheated when asked to return documents of the highest national security.

"Without hesitation" after DECADES OF POSSESSION AND SHARING THEM.

 

[SeaMajor7]

They were right.

The NARA isn't in a position to "help him with archiving his presidential records". It's their job to archive THEIR presidential records, they aren't his.

It's also not the job of the NARA to setup a Presidential Library, that is the job of the Ex-President through establishing a charitable foundation. Once the foundation exists and the site is built, then the NARA works with the library for displays.

FPOTUS#45 has shown no signs of establishing such a foundation and selecting a site.

WW

Yeah, but they treated Trump DIFFERENTLY than every other President.
That's wrong no matter what you say, Bob.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Yeah, but they treated Trump DIFFERENTLY than every other President.
That's wrong no matter what you say, Bob.

What President in the last 50 years didn’t set up library foundation, Karen?

WW

 

[SeaMajor7]

What President in the last 50 years didn’t set up library foundation, Karen?

WW

I think the National Archives people's refusal to aid Trump was a premeditated SET UP for the raid of Mar a Lago.
No joke, Bob.

 

[berg80]

Joe is massively weak in foreign affairs costing us prestige and massive resources.

The opposite is true. Our allies were relieved to have a reliable partner again in Biden after Trump's irrational, reckless comments about NATO and his affinity for the world's despotic leaders. Their fears rekindled after what Vlad's biggest supporter in the US (maybe after Tucker) said about standing idly by while Russia was given permission to attack them.

 

[elektra]

Not true.

Very true, archivists never take physical possession of presidential papers.

Obama's papers, what happened to Obama's papers?

Are they at the National Archives in Washington D.C.. Were Obama's papers ever at the National archives?

The answer is no, they got trucked to Chicago.

 

[Seymour Flops]

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title44/chapter22&edition=prelim

From the PRA.

§2202. Ownership of Presidential records
The United States shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records; and such records shall be administered in accordance with the provisions of this chapter.

Upon the conclusion of a President's term of office, or if a President serves consecutive terms upon the conclusion of the last term, the Archivist of the United States shall assume responsibility for the custody, control, and preservation of, and access to, the Presidential records of that President.


(B) does not include any documentary materials that are (i) official records of an agency (as defined in section 552(e) 1 of title 5, United States Code);




Declassification doesn't change authorship now does it? So please tell me what plain English in the PRA. Changes Classified documents into personal one's?

I explained this to you before, forkup, but it bursts your narrative bubble so you ignore it. This is directly from that link that you posted:

§2201. Definitions​

As used in this chapter—

(1) The term "documentary material" means all books, correspondence, memoranda, documents, papers, pamphlets, works of art, models, pictures, photographs, plats, maps, films, and motion pictures, including, but not limited to, audio and visual records, or other electronic or mechanical recordations, whether in analog, digital, or any other form.

(2) The term "Presidential records" means documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, the President's immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise or assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President. Such term—

(A) includes any documentary materials relating to the political activities of the President or members of the President's staff, but only if such activities relate to or have a direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President; but

(B) does not include any documentary materials that are (i) official records of an agency (as defined in section 552(e) 1 of title 5, United States Code); (ii) personal records; (iii) stocks of publications and stationery; or (iv) extra copies of documents produced only for convenience of reference, when such copies are clearly so identified.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Presidential Records (44 U.S.C. Chapter 22) | National Archives

www.archives.gov

View attachment 916870

The PRA of 1978 no where in plain English say that the President can take classified documents as personal records.

As a matter of fact the PRA clearly defines personal records in it's language and government classified documents are not in the description.

As a matter of fact the PRA clearly defines who owns Presidential Records.

View attachment 916871



FPOTUS#45 has not been charged with any action taken while Presidentent so what he did or didn't do as President is irrelevant.

FPOTUS#45 is ONLY charged with actions taken as a private citizen.

See Post # 36 above

You may have missed it, but FPOTUS#45 has claimed Absolute Immunity, that by definition is an attempt to place him above the law.

WW

Not if the law allows for that immunity.

If a lawyer refuses a subpoena to tell the court information about his or her client that is privileged, is the lawyer attempting to place himself above the law?

"You thank yore above the law!" is a middle school argument at best, intended to enflame grownups with juvenile thought processes, and a child's understanding of fairness.

Filling a pleading in court is a clear example of respecting the law and of following lawful procedures.

 

[elektra]

This is false,

Presidential Libraries are private charitable foundations that manage the infrastructure of the library. (Buildings, grounds, offices, etc.)

Records on display are owned and maintained by the NARA. So yes they literally retain, possess or in all cases maintain presidential records even when on display at a library.

WW

You are an idiot, I stated that presidential records end up in libraries. You said no, then explained that I was right!

Further, the opetation of the presidential libraries are funded by taxes.

Archivists do not, literally possess the presidential records.

But go ahead and argue, semantics.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Very true, archivists never take physical possession of presidential papers.

Obama's papers, what happened to Obama's papers?

Are they at the National Archives in Washington D.C.. Were Obama's papers ever at the National archives?

The answer is no, they got trucked to Chicago.

Where Obama is in complete control of them, just as Biden is in complete control of the records he sent to the University of Delaware to be hidden away from his victim of alleged sexual assault.

 

[elektra]

Where Obama is in complete control of them, just as Biden is in complete control of the records he sent to the University of Delaware to be hidden away from his victim of alleged sexual assault.

Complete control? Compared to;

Trump, who had the secret service guarding the premises where Trump's documents were located.

Obama's documents were in an unguarded warehouse