Judaism in its Own Words

[Indeependent]

The 25% are all Muslim.

Christians, Hindus, I forgot what Chinese are called and there’s another group.
A lot of people with no rules running around.

 

[Uranus]

Christians, Hindus, I forgot what Chinese are called and there’s another group.
A lot of people with no rules running around.

25% still Muslim...

 

[Indeependent]

25% still Muslim...

Buddism, Taoists.
The death penalty for leaving Islam.

 

[Indeependent]

25% still Muslim...

Millions converted under threat of death, just like Christianity.

 

[ESay]

As for Christianity, it rejected the trinity and the idea that Jesus was god or that he had been killed or that he had died for people's sins. The message is and always has been that God is one and even Christians say that God is one — yet they divide their god into three and neither do they have proof for it in their books (even in their corrupted forms) nor can they explain it at all.

Christians have by now abolished almost all rules in their religion. They have no law to follow that they're aware of so they follow whatever the disbelievers follow. They have made all food lawful for them, they have abolished any legal punishments by which the population can be kept safe from evil. The new testament forbids divorce unless adultery has been committed and it gives no rights to women. So in Christian societies until the last couple hundred years they had no right to own property, to divorce or to inherit.

"O People of the Book! Do not go to extremes regarding your faith; say nothing about Allah except the truth.1 The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was no more than a messenger of Allah and the fulfilment of His Word through Mary and a spirit ˹created by a command˺ from Him.2 So believe in Allah and His messengers and do not say, “Trinity.” Stop!—for your own good. Allah is only One God. Glory be to Him! He is far above having a son! To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And Allah is sufficient as a Trustee of Affairs." 1:171

The same issues were faced by Jewish women some of whom use to go to Islamic courts to get a divorce because they could not get it from their own court. In Judaism women also have no rights to speak of.

They're considered impure when they menstruate so much so that anything they touch or sit on cannot be touched by a man.

And if a woman have an issue, and her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be in her impurity seven days; and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even.
כ וְכֹל אֲשֶׁר תִּשְׁכַּב עָלָיו בְּנִדָּתָהּ, יִטְמָא; וְכֹל אֲשֶׁר-תֵּשֵׁב עָלָיו, יִטְמָא.	20 And every thing that she lieth upon in her impurity shall be unclean; every thing also that she sitteth upon shall be unclean.
כא וְכָל-הַנֹּגֵעַ, בְּמִשְׁכָּבָהּ--יְכַבֵּס בְּגָדָיו וְרָחַץ בַּמַּיִם, וְטָמֵא עַד-הָעָרֶב.	21 And whosoever toucheth her bed shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even.
כב וְכָל-הַנֹּגֵעַ--בְּכָל-כְּלִי, אֲשֶׁר-תֵּשֵׁב עָלָיו: יְכַבֵּס בְּגָדָיו וְרָחַץ בַּמַּיִם, וְטָמֵא עַד-הָעָרֶב.	22 And whosoever toucheth any thing that she sitteth upon shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even.

Leviticus 15 / Hebrew - English Bible / Mechon-Mamre

In Judaism if a man abandons his wife, but does not divorce her, she remains married to him unable to marry anyone else. In islam if a man abandons his wife for a certain amount of time she will be granted divorce by the court so she can move on with her life. Some Jewish men use this to black mail money from their wives.

If Islam did not exist, would anyone on earth be still applying religious laws in any seriousness — I'm referring to public matters.

Furthermore, the Jews and the Christians do not have their original scripture nor does anyone know exactly what they contained or who wrote what they have.

All these 'severe' laws are adopted to the present time. The Torah was written thousands years ago and some norms considered reasonable and understandable for the ancient people can't be now tolerated if applied literally.

For me, as an example, the idea of paradise as perceived by some Islam followers seems to be ridiculous. What is paradise in your personal view?

Btw, where are you from?

 

[Uranus]

All these 'severe' laws are adopted to the present time. The Torah was written thousands years ago and some norms considered reasonable and understandable for the ancient people can't be now tolerated if applied literally.

For me, as an example, the idea of paradise as perceived by some Islam followers seems to be ridiculous. What is paradise in your personal view?

Btw, where are you from?

'Severe'? Adopted? What are you talking about? You mean they changed them to fit modern times?

The Jews have a long history — thousands of years — of disobeying God's law. They still do so today. It isn't that different. It is simply a matter of faith. For example, Islam has the punishment of stoning to death for adultery. That's a horrific punishment, isn't it? Do you think it was easier to receive or less dreadful thousands of years ago? I don't.

Sure, people were probably more used to violence, but still — the punishment is horrible and that's the point. It works as a deterrent. It did then and it does today — but only for Muslims because they're the only ones still applying the law.

The reason they apply it is not that they find it less horrible — it's that they believe in their Lord enough to obey Him.

Al-Bara' b. 'Azib reported:
There happened to pass by Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) a Jew blackened and lashed. Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) called them (the Jews) and said: Is this the punishment that you find in your Book (Torah) as a prescribed punishment for adultery? They said: Yes. He (the Holy Prophet) called one of the scholars amongst them and said: I ask you in the name of Allah Who sent down the Torah on Moses if that is the prescribed punishment for adultery that you find in your Book. He said: No. Had you not asked me in the name of Allah, I would not have given you this information. We find stoning to death (as punishment prescribed in the Torah). But this (crime) became quite common amongst our aristocratic class. So when we caught hold of any rich person (indulging in this offence) we spared him, but when we caught hold of a helpless person we imposed the prescribed punishment upon him. We then said: Let us argree (on a punishment) which we can inflict both upon the rich and the poor. So We decided to blacken the face with coal and flog as a substitute punishment for stoning. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said: O Allah, I am the first to revive Thy command when they had made it dead. He then commanded and he (the offender) was stoned to death. Allah, the Majestic and Glorious, sent down (this verse):" O Messenger, (the behaviour of) those who vie with one another in denying the truth should not grieve you..." up to" is vouchsafed unto you, accept it" (v. 41) 2176 It was said (by the Jews): Go to Muhammad; it he commands you to blacken the face and award flogging (as punishment for adultery), then accept it, but it he gives verdict for stoning, then avoid it. It was (then) that Allah, the Majestic and Great, sent down (these verses):" And they who do not judge in accordance with what Allah has revealed are, indeed, deniers of the truth" (v. 44) ;" And they who do not judge in accordance with what Allah has revealed-they, they indeed are the wrongdoers" (v. 45) ;" And they who do not judge in accordance with what God has revealed-they are the iniquitous (v. 47). (All these verses) were revealed in connection with the non-believers. Sahih Muslim 1700a - The Book of Legal Punishments - كتاب الحدود - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

I don't have a personal view of paradise. We have been told in detail about it — but at the same time, it is something like which no eye has ever seen. If you have any specific question about it, you can ask it directly.

 

[Indeependent]

'Severe'? Adopted? What are you talking about? You mean they changed them to fit modern times?

The Jews have a long history — thousands of years — of disobeying God's law. They still do so today. It isn't that different. It is simply a matter of faith. For example, Islam has the punishment of stoning to death for adultery. That's a horrific punishment, isn't it? Do you think it was easier to receive or less dreadful thousands of years ago? I don't.

Sure, people were probably more used to violence, but still — the punishment is horrible and that's the point. It works as a deterrent. It did then and it does today — but only for Muslims because they're the only ones still applying the law.

The reason they apply it is not that they find it less horrible — it's that they believe in their book enough to obey Him who sent it.



I don't have a personal view of paradise. We have be told in detail about it — but at the same time, it is something like which no eye has ever seen. If you have any specific question about it, you can ask it directly.

The punishments in the Torah required the existence of The Temple and a Court of 72.

 

[ESay]

'Severe'? Adopted? What are you talking about? You mean they changed them to fit modern times?

The Jews have a long history — thousands of years — of disobeying God's law. They still do so today. It isn't that different. It is simply a matter of faith. For example, Islam has the punishment of stoning to death for adultery. That's a horrific punishment, isn't it? Do you think it was easier to receive or less dreadful thousands of years ago? I don't.

Sure, people were probably more used to violence, but still — the punishment is horrible and that's the point. It works as a deterrent. It did then and it does today — but only for Muslims because they're the only ones still applying the law.

The reason they apply it is not that they find it less horrible — it's that they believe in their Lord enough to obey Him.



I don't have a personal view of paradise. We have been told in detail about it — but at the same time, it is something like which no eye has ever seen. If you have any specific question about it, you can ask it directly.

I think that if you used stoning in the present days, you would be deemed as a savage rather than a God abiding person by the most people.

Except of the scriptures, God gave people reason and common sense. And people should apply them in their lives.

No, I don't have any specific questions about paradise. You didn't answer where you are from. Okay, what branch of Islam you belong to? Or that is also too personal question?

 

[hobelim]

God cursed Judaism, Christians become choose by God Jews and Jews themselves have Satan as Father.
Jews shall leave the wrong religion Judaism and convert to Christianity.
The verses above took from an Christian server show clearly Judaism is from devil.

"He (Satan) was a murderer from the beginning"

This verse is an allusion to the talking serpent in the garden of Eden where he beguiled Adam and Eve into defying the command of God causing their "death" and expulsion from Eden into the wilderness to live out the rest of their days among the wild beasts of the field, animals like you.

And here you are condemning the Jewish people for not worshipping an almighty yet edible triune mangod, a violation of Divine Law under penalty of death, when in fact the Jewish people have always been right to do so. And you even have the audacity to openly attempt to beguile Jewish people into practicing idolatry which amounts to attempted murder. It follows then that you are a direct descendant of that ever elusive talking serpent of old, a murderer in the eyes of Jesus.

Jesus said,

"He who sets aside even the least of these commands, and teaches others to do the same, will have the lowest place in the kingdom of God."


To understand what Jesus meant by saying "the lowest place" see Genesis 3:14. It applies to you.

 

[hobelim]

The sad truth is more as 99% humans will go to Hell

The sad truth is that if God is God you are already in hell.

 

[BreezeWood]

'Severe'? Adopted? What are you talking about? You mean they changed them to fit modern times?

The Jews have a long history — thousands of years — of disobeying God's law. They still do so today. It isn't that different. It is simply a matter of faith. For example, Islam has the punishment of stoning to death for adultery. That's a horrific punishment, isn't it? Do you think it was easier to receive or less dreadful thousands of years ago? I don't.

Sure, people were probably more used to violence, but still — the punishment is horrible and that's the point. It works as a deterrent. It did then and it does today — but only for Muslims because they're the only ones still applying the law.

The reason they apply it is not that they find it less horrible — it's that they believe in their Lord enough to obey Him.



I don't have a personal view of paradise. We have been told in detail about it — but at the same time, it is something like which no eye has ever seen. If you have any specific question about it, you can ask it directly.

islam is no less the corruption the 3 desert religions collectively are guilty as well their scriptures based on a fallacy of heavenly origin the crucifiers use to persecute and victimize the innocent.

and the reason the 1st century itinerant was murdered - to be ruled by criminals to the present time.

 

[Indeependent]

The sad truth is more as 99% humans will go to Hell

Define hell and please leave out the pitchfork nonsense.

 

[DudleySmith]

No, I wouldn't be okay with the commandments from there being followed literally. But isn't Moses a prophet according to the Quran too and all his teaching should be considered as the word of God?

Islam is basically a version of Judaism adapted to nomadic tribes. The 'stronger' part of it over Judaism is its universalism.

The Babylonian cult did away with universalism and fabricated a 'master race' narrative for themselves and abandoned the Judaism of Moses, yes.

This book gives a history of their corruption and their Temple scam:

Judaism— Revelation of Moses Or Religion of Men?

Does Judaism with its elaborate code of traditions really represent the way of life God gave through Moses?

www.cbcg.org

Foreword
The Jewish community openly promotes Rabbinical Judaism as “the
Old Testament religion of Moses.” Overwhelmingly, Christians believe this
premise to be accurate. Jews, it is assumed, are for the most part just like
Christians—except they don’t accept Jesus as the Messiah. As well, biblical
scholars and theologians have taken for granted that Christianity itself is a
direct, first-century outgrowth of Judaism. The popular view is that Jesus
was a revolutionary Jewish rabbi who practiced the laws and traditions of
Judaism, yet managed to sharply challenge the status quo.
In terms of religious practice, Judaism is centered on its collection of
“oral traditions” known as the Talmud. The typical Christian understanding
of the Talmud is that its precepts are detailed expositions on the Scriptures,
and that its numerous highly-specific traditions are designed to protect the
Jew from violating the written Torah or Law of God.
But are these and similar assumptions accurate? Is Judaism really the
embodiment of the religion God gave to ancient Israel through Moses and
the prophets? Is Christianity really an offshoot of Judaism? Did Jesus observe
the traditions and customs of first-century Jewish religion? Does the
Talmud really reflect the spirit and intent of the Scriptures?
Most Christians know little or nothing about Judaism, and appear
quite oblivious of the centuries-old antagonism that still festers between the
two religions. The constant conflict that took place between the first-century
progenitors of Judaism (the Pharisees) and Jesus and His followers is found
throughout the New Testament. But how could Jesus have found such fault
with the very religion that was supposedly representative of the Old Testament?
Noting this paradox, many Christians have wrongly concluded that
Jesus must have been against Moses and the Old Testament.
Indeed, Judaism’s bold claim to be the “natural descendant” of the
religion of Moses has had a profound impact on how Christianity has interpreted
the New Testament. But what if the Jews’ claim is false? Would not
such a faulty premise cause Christians to terribly misunderstand the New
Testament?

....

As Neal demonstrates, Judaism is based on secret laws, traditions
and scriptural interpretations that God allegedly “whispered into Moses’
ear” at Mt. Sinai. The rabbis maintain that Moses was forbidden to make a
written record of these esoteric instructions. Rather, the teachings were to be
passed on orally, generation by generation, to only the most scholarly and
pious Jewish leaders. However, centuries later, these “revelations” were
written down, and exist today in the form of the Talmud. Importantly, these
“oral traditions” form the very core, the foundation of Judaism—even to the
exclusion of the Scriptures! As Neal brings out, rabbis consider these secret,
oral laws and traditions to be superior to the written Law that God originally
gave to the nation of Israel by the hand of Moses. Most do not realize that
when rabbis speak of the “Torah of Moses,” they are including their “oral
traditions” along with the written Law (the Pentateuch) of Moses. But in
actual practice, observant Jews revere and exalt the Talmud, and all but ignore
the Scriptures.
How, then, can Judaism possibly be the true “religion of Moses”?

The book goes on to accurately describe how and when 'rabbinical Judaism' evolved from Ezra's 'Master race' nonsense to the 2nd Century A.D. and its founding. A lot of Christians delusionally believe 'all Jews look alike' and they're kissing God's ass when they babble about 'antisemitism n stuff' and mindlessly believe all the propaganda and fictional histpries about them being 'all oppressed n stuff by Da Evul Xians for thousands of years'. Never mind most of their history of being 'oppressed' is largely self-inflicted.

 

[DudleySmith]

Islam is basically a version of Judaism adapted to nomadic tribes. The 'stronger' part of it over Judaism is its universalism.

In that respect it is more Jewish than rabbinical Judaism is, and of course as Benjamin Disraeli said: "Christianity is Judaism completed."

 

[Indeependent]

The Babylonian cult did away with universalism and fabricated a 'master race' narrative for themselves and abandoned the Judaism of Moses, yes.

This book gives a history of their corruption and their Temple scam:

Judaism— Revelation of Moses Or Religion of Men?

Does Judaism with its elaborate code of traditions really represent the way of life God gave through Moses?

www.cbcg.org

Foreword
The Jewish community openly promotes Rabbinical Judaism as “the
Old Testament religion of Moses.” Overwhelmingly, Christians believe this
premise to be accurate. Jews, it is assumed, are for the most part just like
Christians—except they don’t accept Jesus as the Messiah. As well, biblical
scholars and theologians have taken for granted that Christianity itself is a
direct, first-century outgrowth of Judaism. The popular view is that Jesus
was a revolutionary Jewish rabbi who practiced the laws and traditions of
Judaism, yet managed to sharply challenge the status quo.
In terms of religious practice, Judaism is centered on its collection of
“oral traditions” known as the Talmud. The typical Christian understanding
of the Talmud is that its precepts are detailed expositions on the Scriptures,
and that its numerous highly-specific traditions are designed to protect the
Jew from violating the written Torah or Law of God.
But are these and similar assumptions accurate? Is Judaism really the
embodiment of the religion God gave to ancient Israel through Moses and
the prophets? Is Christianity really an offshoot of Judaism? Did Jesus observe
the traditions and customs of first-century Jewish religion? Does the
Talmud really reflect the spirit and intent of the Scriptures?
Most Christians know little or nothing about Judaism, and appear
quite oblivious of the centuries-old antagonism that still festers between the
two religions. The constant conflict that took place between the first-century
progenitors of Judaism (the Pharisees) and Jesus and His followers is found
throughout the New Testament. But how could Jesus have found such fault
with the very religion that was supposedly representative of the Old Testament?
Noting this paradox, many Christians have wrongly concluded that
Jesus must have been against Moses and the Old Testament.
Indeed, Judaism’s bold claim to be the “natural descendant” of the
religion of Moses has had a profound impact on how Christianity has interpreted
the New Testament. But what if the Jews’ claim is false? Would not
such a faulty premise cause Christians to terribly misunderstand the New
Testament?

....

As Neal demonstrates, Judaism is based on secret laws, traditions
and scriptural interpretations that God allegedly “whispered into Moses’
ear” at Mt. Sinai. The rabbis maintain that Moses was forbidden to make a
written record of these esoteric instructions. Rather, the teachings were to be
passed on orally, generation by generation, to only the most scholarly and
pious Jewish leaders. However, centuries later, these “revelations” were
written down, and exist today in the form of the Talmud. Importantly, these
“oral traditions” form the very core, the foundation of Judaism—even to the
exclusion of the Scriptures! As Neal brings out, rabbis consider these secret,
oral laws and traditions to be superior to the written Law that God originally
gave to the nation of Israel by the hand of Moses. Most do not realize that
when rabbis speak of the “Torah of Moses,” they are including their “oral
traditions” along with the written Law (the Pentateuch) of Moses. But in
actual practice, observant Jews revere and exalt the Talmud, and all but ignore
the Scriptures.
How, then, can Judaism possibly be the true “religion of Moses”?

The book goes on to accurately describe how and when 'rabbinical Judaism' evolved from Ezra's 'Master race' nonsense to the 2nd Century A.D. and its founding. A lot of Christians delusionally believe 'all Jews look alike' and they're kissing God's ass when they babble about 'antisemitism n stuff' and mindlessly believe all the propaganda and fictional histpries about them being 'all oppressed n stuff by Da Evul Xians for thousands of years'. Never mind most of their history of being 'oppressed' is largely self-inflicted.

That’s a lot of words but you omitted the Torah verse that commands the Jews to follow their Rabbis.

 

[DudleySmith]

That’s a lot of words but you omitted the Torah verse that commands the Jews to follow their Rabbis.

In matters of law. Others interpret it as limited to court cases re biblical laws.

496. Left or Right: The prohibition against deviating from the word of the Sanhedrin - Taryag - OU Torah

What the Sanhedrin says, goes. The people do not have the right to disregard their rulings or the laws they institute. Rather, we must follow them without devi

outorah.org

[/b]While Rambam (Maimonides) applies this mitzvah both to laws the Sanhedrin makes interpreting the Torah and those they instituted as protective measures, the Ramban (Nachmanides) disagrees. He says this mitzvah only applies when the Sanhedrin interprets and rules in matters of Biblical law but not in the case of rabbinic laws that they themselves enacted.[/b]

Of course. since the Judaism as invented by the Pharisees in the 2nd Century A.D. it has no application to the Torah of Moses, it's a late invention probably over 2+ millenia away from Moses. Most of the 613 laws are directed at post-Babylonian Temple rubbish and not to the teachers of the original Torah, i.e. later mysticism.

The cult that calls themselves 'rabbis' today aren't the rabbis of pre-Babylonian Hebrewism. They're poseurs.

 

[Indeependent]

In matters of law. Others interpret it as limited to court cases re biblical laws.

496. Left or Right: The prohibition against deviating from the word of the Sanhedrin - Taryag - OU Torah

What the Sanhedrin says, goes. The people do not have the right to disregard their rulings or the laws they institute. Rather, we must follow them without devi

outorah.org

[/b]While Rambam (Maimonides) applies this mitzvah both to laws the Sanhedrin makes interpreting the Torah and those they instituted as protective measures, the Ramban (Nachmanides) disagrees. He says this mitzvah only applies when the Sanhedrin interprets and rules in matters of Biblical law but not in the case of rabbinic laws that they themselves enacted.[/b]

Of course. since the Judaism as invented by the Pharisees in the 2nd Century A.D. it has no application to the Torah of Moses, it's a late invention probably over 2+ millenia away from Moses. Most of the 613 laws are directed at post-Babylonian Temple rubbish and not to the teachers of the original Torah, i.e. later mysticism.

Deuteronomy 17 / Hebrew - English Bible / Mechon-Mamre

mechon-mamre.org

Try reading the Torah and learning exactly how to practice a mitzvah without someone explaining it.

I presume you haven't carefully studied megillah Esther...What occurred is the reason the people accepted Mordechai as the head of the Sanhedrin.
Your way promotes the chaos found in Christianity.

 

[DudleySmith]

Deuteronomy 17 / Hebrew - English Bible / Mechon-Mamre

mechon-mamre.org

Try reading the Torah and learning exactly how to practice a mitzvah without someone explaining it.

I presume you haven't carefully studied megillah Esther...What occurred is the reason the people accepted Mordechai as the head of the Sanhedrin.
Your way promotes the chaos found in Christianity.

lol rubbish. Deuteronomy isn't talking about obeying the fake laws and 'teachings' invented by fake 'Rabbis' of Ezra and after.

 

[DudleySmith]

The punishments in the Torah required the existence of The Temple and a Court of 72.

Those didn't exist when the Pentaurch was written by Moses. It's made up nonsense by Babylonian scam artists. Moses was to appoint 70 'Elders', and it wasn't the 'Sanhedrin', which was just a sad copy cat attempt to associate the modern scammers with the earlier legitimate Elders.. No mention of them being Rabbis. either, nor a Temple.

Who were the seventy elders of Israel? | GotQuestions.org

Who were the seventy elders of Israel? What role did the seventy elders of Israel have?

www.gotquestions.org

The practice of maintaining seventy elders in Israel continued for a while, but we’re not sure how long. There is no mention of the seventy elders in the years of the judges or the kings. During the Captivity, the prophet Ezekiel has a vision in which a group of “seventy elders of Israel” are engaged in idolatry in the temple (Ezekiel 8:11). The fact that there are “seventy” of these idolatrous leaders is undoubtedly an allusion to the seventy elders of Moses’ day who, in contrast to Ezekiel’s seventy elders, helped lead the people in the proper path. Later in Jewish history, a tribunal of seventy elders formed the Sanhedrin, rulers of Israel who acted as a supreme court. Their seventy-member size was modeled after God’s ancient instructions to Moses. It was this body who unfortunately pursued the crucifixion of Jesus (Matthew 26:59).

The number 70 seems to be significant in Scripture. The Lord Jesus appointed seventy (some manuscripts say seventy-two) disciples to carry His message into nearby towns (Luke 10:1). Israel spent seventy years in captivity in Babylon (Jeremiah 29:10), Daniel’s prophetic vision included seventy “weeks” (Daniel 9:24), and of course God designated seventy elders to help lead the Israelites.;/b]

 

[Indeependent]

Those didn't exist when the Pentaurch was written by Moses. It's made up nonsense by Babylonian scam artists.

Now you're simply being an idiot; just when I begin to think you're being sincere, you're Jew hatred goes full steam.
Moshe was around and a verse wouldn't be needed because he was there to answer any questions.
The verse, in context, is explicitly meant to mean the rabbinical authorities in the future.
Moshe knew his prophecy was much greater than everyone else and he also lays out the exiles in Deuteronomy and so had to state that wherever and whenever you are, listen to the experts, and the experts don't worship a dead human.