Joe Biden pardons felons on his last day.

[JoeB131]

Nixon was guilty of his actions and Congress passed articles of impeachment July 27th,1974.

Nixon was impeached.

Nope, Nixon was never impeached. The House Judiciary Committee DID approve articles of impeachment, but they were never voted on by the full house. Two of the five proposed articles never made it out of the committee.

Much like in the Clinton impeachment, they started out with seven articles, but only four were approved by the Judiciary. Only two of those passed the House, and they were both voted down in the Senate.

Impeachment process against Richard Nixon - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Nixon resigned August 8th,1974.

House found Nixon guilty.

Nixon resigned to avoid a Senate trial.

Ford pardoned a guilty man.

A couple of points here. First, the full house never voted on the articles of impeachment, nor did the Senate ever hold a trial.

But here's the thing. Impeachment by itself is not proof of guilt. It only removes an office holder (in theory in the case of the President, because we've never removed a president by impeachment.)

Judge Alcee Hastings WAS impeached by the House AND convicted by the senate, but when he was brought to trial, even though he had been acquitted in a criminal trial. Impeachment and Criminal conviction are two separate issues. Even if Nixon HAD been removed from impeachment, that wouldn't have had any bearing on a criminal trial that never happened.

Final point. The understanding that Nixon had with the Democrats and the Special Prosecutors office was that if he resigned, that would be the end of the matter. Instead, Democrats started making rumblings about going after Nixon criminally, anyway, which is what prompted Ford to issue a PRE-EMPTIVE pardon.

 

[struth]

Nope, Nixon was never impeached. The House Judiciary Committee DID approve articles of impeachment, but they were never voted on by the full house. Two of the five proposed articles never made it out of the committee.

Much like in the Clinton impeachment, they started out with seven articles, but only four were approved by the Judiciary. Only two of those passed the House, and they were both voted down in the Senate.

Impeachment process against Richard Nixon - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

A couple of points here. First, the full house never voted on the articles of impeachment, nor did the Senate ever hold a trial.

But here's the thing. Impeachment by itself is not proof of guilt. It only removes an office holder (in theory in the case of the President, because we've never removed a president by impeachment.)

Judge Alcee Hastings WAS impeached by the House AND convicted by the senate, but when he was brought to trial, even though he had been acquitted in a criminal trial. Impeachment and Criminal conviction are two separate issues. Even if Nixon HAD been removed from impeachment, that wouldn't have had any bearing on a criminal trial that never happened.

Final point. The understanding that Nixon had with the Democrats and the Special Prosecutors office was that if he resigned, that would be the end of the matter. Instead, Democrats started making rumblings about going after Nixon criminally, anyway, which is what prompted Ford to issue a PRE-EMPTIVE pardon.

Nixon and his admin look good compared to the slim pool of pardons needed for xiden admin, his family and his demafasict brownshirts in congress

 

[Delldude]

Final point. The understanding that Nixon had with the Democrats and the Special Prosecutors office was that if he resigned, that would be the end of the matter. Instead, Democrats started making rumblings about going after Nixon criminally, anyway, which is what prompted Ford to issue a PRE-EMPTIVE pardon

Thank you for acknowledging my previous point.

 

[JoeB131]

Thank you for acknowledging my previous point.

You didn't have a point, guy.

Point was... and I KNOW YOU ARE FUCKING SLOW... is that pre-emptive pardons to forstall political persecutions is not a new thing.

Ford did it for Nixon.
Bush did it for Cap Weinberger.

 

[Delldude]

Point was... and I KNOW YOU ARE FUCKING SLOW... is that pre-emptive pardons to forstall political persecutions is not a new thing.

Never said it was. Just said those who seek and those who receive are admitting guilt upfront. Once again, thank you for supporting my contention......you are so good at this.

Ford did it for Nixon.
Bush did it for Cap Weinberger.

Cap was indicted, headed to trial, Dickie was found to have committed impeachable offenses......he resigned to forgo that, the main issue there was, as a private citizen, the democrats were going to Trump him in private life.

 

[JoeB131]

Never said it was. Just said those who seek and those who receive are admitting guilt upfront.

They're doing nothing of the sort.

Cap Weinberger never admitted guilt. His position was that his meeting notes did not constitute a diary and even the Senators he testified to admitted he was truthful.

Nixon never admitted guilt. His position, if you ever watched the David Frost interview, was that his actions were legal because he was president. (A claim Trump has made and the Supreme Court kind of agreed with.)

So you are wrong again.

Cap was indicted, headed to trial,

You left out an important part there. Cap was indicted, but a judge threw the case out as being total bullshit. Then Lawrence Walsh, once again proving my point about why Independent Counsels are ALWAYS a bad idea, deciding he was going to indict him again the week before the election as a big fuck you to George Bush. (A complete violation of Justice Department guidelines, BTW)

Dickie was found to have committed impeachable offenses....

And again, impeachment and criminal issues are completely separate. Go back to my point about Alcee Hastings. A court had ALREADY acquitted him on bribery charges, but Congress impeached him regardless.

 

[Delldude]

So you are wrong again.

Flailing still.

Innocent people do not need to seek a pardon when they have a clear conscience and haven't done anything they could be criminally liable for.

Originally we were discussing Biden tossing pardons to those who would possibly face indictment and/or criminal charges and imprisonment, which is, on the surface, their exteme concern that their actions were, in fact illegal.

The fact that you've changed the topic several times already shows you couldn't defend your positions and resorted to deflection to attempt to save face.

You got class...........

 

[JoeB131]

Innocent people do not need to seek a pardon when they have a clear conscience and haven't done anything they could be criminally liable for.

That's like saying innocent people dont need a lawyer, or shouldn't refuse a search of their homes, or shouldn't invoke the fifth.

We have a lawless, convicted Felon in the White House that had screamed his desire for revenge. That's why pardons were necessary.

Originally we were discussing Biden tossing pardons to those who would possibly face indictment and/or criminal charges and imprisonment, which is, on the surface, their exteme concern that their actions were, in fact illegal.

No, it was a concern that Trump would abuse his power for personal revenge. I suspect that most of these people would have prevailed in court, but only after spending hundreds of thousands on lawyers, and frankly, no one should have to go through that just for being related to Biden or telling Trump he was wrong.

 

[Delldude]

No, it was a concern that Trump would abuse his power for personal revenge.

Thanks for proving my point again

Your butthurt is quite noticable.

 

[struth]

That's like saying innocent people dont need a lawyer, or shouldn't refuse a search of their homes, or shouldn't invoke the fifth.

We have a lawless, convicted Felon in the White House that had screamed his desire for revenge. That's why pardons were necessary.



No, it was a concern that Trump would abuse his power for personal revenge. I suspect that most of these people would have prevailed in court, but only after spending hundreds of thousands on lawyers, and frankly, no one should have to go through that just for being related to Biden or telling Trump he was wrong.

The burden of proof for impeachment v criminal conviction is lowered

But you only get impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

No nothing to say on my point.

Do you have a fat fetish or something? Because it's kind of weird.

I have a truth fetish. You have yet to make a point.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

You didn't have a point, guy.

Point was... and I KNOW YOU ARE FUCKING SLOW... is that pre-emptive pardons to forstall political persecutions is not a new thing.

Ford did it for Nixon.
Bush did it for Cap Weinberger.

Both were guilty and you know it. Hence all the people Biden preemptively pardoned are also guilty. It’s not brain surgery. If Trump did it, you and your fellow leftist clowns would have gone ape shit.

STFU and pick up a gym membership, fatso.

 

[JoeB131]

Thanks for proving my point again

Your butthurt is quite noticable.

Really? Trump go denied his petty revenge.

I mean, the rest of the country is fucked, but you guys willingly ratfucked yourselves.

 

[Delldude]

Really? Trump go denied his petty revenge.

Butt hurt has you making incoherent ramblings now.......

I mean, the rest of the country is fucked, but you guys willingly ratfucked yourselves.

Poor JoeButthurt......

 

[JoeB131]

I see you have nothing to add to the conversation.

Your concession is noted.

Since you are small person who needs the last word, I happily give it to you.

 

[berg80]

Tony Fauci - the murderer of millions of innocent people

That's as far as I got before the idiot meter hit 10.

 

[Delldude]

I see you have nothing to add to the conversation.

It's you who came on here every morning making your claims and with about two minutes of fact checking show you were either lying or terribly ill informed. Every morning.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Really? Trump go denied his petty revenge.

I mean, the rest of the country is fucked, but you guys willingly ratfucked yourselves.

Incoherent post. Country is doing great now. Finally.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

That's as far as I got before the idiot meter hit 10.

It’s always at 10 for you

 

[Blisterfinger]

Good for him.

Hopefully he'll issue more pardons before he leaves.

Anything to fuck over the United States right Joe?