Lesh
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Explained in the OP
Joe Biden is the best president of your lifetime (trigger warning)
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Tumblin Tumbleweed
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I haven't said any of those things. Talking to you is like talking to a toaster.
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- Stock market highs rolling toward 40,000
- Unemployment lows consistently in the 3%s
Biden Cherry-Picks Unemployment Record - FactCheck.org
In recent speeches touting so-called Bidenomics, President Joe Biden has repeatedly cited the statistic that "unemployment has been below 4% for the longest stretch in over 50 years." That's true, but there's some cherry-picking going on.
www.factcheck.org
- Record wages outpacing inflation from pre-covid levels
- Deficit levels reduced in half of Trump's covid levels and back to 2012 levels as a percent of GDP
- Record wages outpacing inflation from pre-covid levels
Biden's Numbers, January 2024 Update - FactCheck.org
Our latest quarterly look at various statistical measures during Biden's presidency.
www.factcheck.org
- Historic $1.2T Infrastructure bill
- Prescription drug cost reductions with Inflation Bill including $35 insulin caps
- Inflation adjusted gas prices lower than any year since 1974 - compared to 2020 adjusted gas is now $2.24
Having said that, NOT adjusting for inflation, gas prices under trump were lowest since around 2006
- Historic lows in violent crimes in US
Well, not exactly. Some of the drop in violent crime are due to the rate of reported crimes going down. Particularly in how the FBI changed their data collection system that ignored 40% of police agencies.
The fbi reporting agency had one number, the national crime victimization study had a substantially different number.
2022 Data Shows U.S. Violent Crime Is Up — And Also Down. Here's How.
Property crime and violence against young people are both up, recent federal data shows, but other crime trends are murkier.
Also:
U.S.: reported violent crime 2023 | Statista
In 2023, an estimated 1,21,467 violent crimes occurred in the United States.
www.statista.com
This chart shows crime stats were falling, and 2019 was the lowest point between Biden and trump, and they started to rise again after 2020.
And, the spike in 2020 was likely due to the Floyd riots.
- Historic levels of people with health insurance
U.S. population share with any health insurance1990-2023 | Statista
There was a sharp increase in the percentage of Americans with health insurance after the Affordable Care Act (ACA) came into effect in 2010.
www.statista.com
- Fewer combat deaths than any president since Jimmy Carter
- Strengthened allied relationships
Other nations: “Hooray!”
- Zero scandals leading with ethics
I mean, yeah, he has no scandals because everything he does that is a scandal, lefty media and lefty courts give him a pass.
- Civility, grace, every day
But hey look, it wasn’t ALL bad, I gave him props on a couple of things!
If it never would have passed the Senate, Schumer would have brought it up.
There are democrat Senators in those border states that would have voted for it.
Hence, Schumer didn't have the 'nads to bring to the floor.
Having said that, the liberals should just stop with blaming the republicans for the border.
The republicans brought HR2 nearly a year ago and Schumer just sat on it. Democrats
just wanted a half assed Bill that still left the border for all intents and purposes to be
wide open.
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As hard as Tater tried he's no Hitter... more like some Central American wannabe Socialist... like the idiot from Venezuela
Lesh
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HR2 was bullshit. Never intended to pass
Then it should have been brought up for a vote.
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Agree. Markets reflect confidence in the economy
Trumps was not lower. If you throw out all the high months of Trump's administration (like you want to do) and only count the low months of Trump and then count all the months from Biden, then they are virtually the same. Regardless, Joe Biden's is at historic lows which is the point.Well, trumps unemployment was actually a bit lower, even fact check acknowledges this.
- Unemployment lows consistently in the 3%s
Biden Cherry-Picks Unemployment Record - FactCheck.org
In recent speeches touting so-called Bidenomics, President Joe Biden has repeatedly cited the statistic that "unemployment has been below 4% for the longest stretch in over 50 years." That's true, but there's some cherry-picking going on.
That is true. Low wage earners are getting more money and running well ahead of inflation. Overall wages are running ahead of inflation since 2019 pre covid levels. People are better off and especially McDonald's workers and other bottom wage earners are much better off. We are a better balanced nation paying more so low wage earners can earn more.
Obviously you know the deficit isnt up 20.9%. Not sure why you'd even type that. It is going to be down this year.
That is NOT TRUE. NOT TRUE NOT TRUE.
The only way wages dont look better than inflation is if you measure them against mid pandemic in late 2020. That is 100% misinformation because that data is junk - stimulus, crashing demand drove prices low. If you look at how people are doing now vs the day before the pandemic they are better off. Please dont use junk information. I am too savvy for that.
Surprise: Wage growth has actually outpaced the crushing inflation over the past 2.5 years, according to the JEC Democrats
"The economy appears to be doing better than a lot of people might realize or be willing to admit," one expert says.
Agree. Credit on updating our infrastructure is deserved for Biden.
The goal was to lower prescriptions, it did, and it was the first legislation that ever allowed medicare to negotiate. Way passed due. This was great.
They are adjusting for how much you now make. 4 years later people are paid 20-30% more. Gas is actually cheap compared to what people are making. A McDonald worker in 2019 was paid $9 per hour and now they are making $17 per hour. Gas went up way less than that. That is the point. Gas is cheap.
Crime is near all time lows. It is as safe as every. I am not going to quibble about a slight difference in 2019 and 2023, it is negligible and one single year. It is at or near all time lows. Crime is clearly not up 44% and I am not even sure why you'd put that out there. No one agrees with that. Not the local police, no one.
- Historic lows in violent crimes in US
Well, not exactly. Some of the drop in violent crime are due to the rate of reported crimes going down. Particularly in how the FBI changed their data collection system that ignored 40% of police agencies.
The fbi reporting agency had one number, the national crime victimization study had a substantially different number.
2022 Data Shows U.S. Violent Crime Is Up — And Also Down. Here's How.
Property crime and violence against young people are both up, recent federal data shows, but other crime trends are murkier.www.themarshallproject.org
Also:
U.S.: reported violent crime 2023 | Statista
In 2023, an estimated 1,21,467 violent crimes occurred in the United States.
This chart shows crime stats were falling, and 2019 was the lowest point between Biden and trump, and they started to rise again after 2020.
And, the spike in 2020 was likely due to the Floyd riots.
Roughly the same is actually at the highest point with 92% of Americans covered. Not bad. Let's agree that is a good number.Seems roughly the same..
- Historic levels of people with health insurance
U.S. population share with any health insurance1990-2023 | Statista
There was a sharp increase in the percentage of Americans with health insurance after the Affordable Care Act (ACA) came into effect in 2010.
Biden is navigating a tough international environment well. The US has been at peace during most of Clinton, most of Biden, and most of Carter. The rest are awash in blood - whether justified or not. Trump winded down his deaths as well but they were much higher than those others.
The US doesnt pay for anyone's share. What you are probably thinking about is whether they are spending their own money on their own weapons. That doesnt cost us a single dime more. The question is are they ready enough to fight if needed. That can be a discussion, but we are not "paying" for anyone's defense.
zzzzzz. Joe Biden hasnt been implicated in anything. Tara Reade went to Russia to live out her life. She was a Russian agent. Hilarious troll attempt. He never hid nor lied about documents. Trump isnt in trouble for having documents. He is in trouble because he hid them willingly and lied about them. You seem smart enough to get that. Tell me I am right about that. Afghan was unfortunate. It was a terrorist attack. Which one of the 50 deaths under Trump would you consider a scandal?
Defense Casualty Analysis System
He has been magnanimous with the republicans who claim he orchestrated an election steal, lie about his acuity, and are overtly revolting trying to throw anything at his adult son to embarras him - dick pics are political discourse now? His bipartisan results speak for themselves. Even when he attacks republicans he attacks MAGA republicans and says they arent all republicans, not even the majority.
Your life seems pretty good. Enjoy it, and know Biden is working for a better America, for all.
mikegriffith1
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The problem is that you are too biased and too partisan to acknowledge the bad things that Biden has done. You will only acknowledge the good things he has done, and I agree that he has done many good things.Agree. Markets reflect confidence in the economy
Trumps was not lower. If you throw out all the high months of Trump's administration (like you want to do) and only count the low months of Trump and then count all the months from Biden, then they are virtually the same. Regardless, Joe Biden's is at historic lows which is the point.
That is true. Low wage earners are getting more money and running well ahead of inflation. Overall wages are running ahead of inflation since 2019 pre covid levels. People are better off and especially McDonald's workers and other bottom wage earners are much better off. We are a better balanced nation paying more so low wage earners can earn more.
Obviously you know the deficit isnt up 20.9%. Not sure why you'd even type that. It is going to be down this year.
That is NOT TRUE. NOT TRUE NOT TRUE.
The only way wages dont look better than inflation is if you measure them against mid pandemic in late 2020. That is 100% misinformation because that data is junk - stimulus, crashing demand drove prices low. If you look at how people are doing now vs the day before the pandemic they are better off. Please dont use junk information. I am too savvy for that.
Surprise: Wage growth has actually outpaced the crushing inflation over the past 2.5 years, according to the JEC Democrats
"The economy appears to be doing better than a lot of people might realize or be willing to admit," one expert says.fortune.com
Agree. Credit on updating our infrastructure is deserved for Biden.
The goal was to lower prescriptions, it did, and it was the first legislation that ever allowed medicare to negotiate. Way passed due. This was great.
They are adjusting for how much you now make. 4 years later people are paid 20-30% more. Gas is actually cheap compared to what people are making. A McDonald worker in 2019 was paid $9 per hour and now they are making $17 per hour. Gas went up way less than that. That is the point. Gas is cheap.
Crime is near all time lows. It is as safe as every. I am not going to quibble about a slight difference in 2019 and 2023, it is negligible and one single year. It is at or near all time lows. Crime is clearly not up 44% and I am not even sure why you'd put that out there. No one agrees with that. Not the local police, no one.
Roughly the same is actually at the highest point with 92% of Americans covered. Not bad. Let's agree that is a good number.
Biden is navigating a tough international environment well. The US has been at peace during most of Clinton, most of Biden, and most of Carter. The rest are awash in blood - whether justified or not. Trump winded down his deaths as well but they were much higher than those others.
The US doesnt pay for anyone's share. What you are probably thinking about is whether they are spending their own money on their own weapons. That doesnt cost us a single dime more. The question is are they ready enough to fight if needed. That can be a discussion, but we are not "paying" for anyone's defense.
zzzzzz. Joe Biden hasnt been implicated in anything. Tara Reade went to Russia to live out her life. She was a Russian agent. Hilarious troll attempt. He never hid nor lied about documents. Trump isnt in trouble for having documents. He is in trouble because he hid them willingly and lied about them. You seem smart enough to get that. Tell me I am right about that. Afghan was unfortunate. It was a terrorist attack. Which one of the 50 deaths under Trump would you consider a scandal?
Defense Casualty Analysis System
dcas.dmdc.osd.mil
He has been magnanimous with the republicans who claim he orchestrated an election steal, lie about his acuity, and are overtly revolting trying to throw anything at his adult son to embarras him - dick pics are political discourse now? His bipartisan results speak for themselves. Even when he attacks republicans he attacks MAGA republicans and says they arent all republicans, not even the majority.
Your life seems pretty good. Enjoy it, and know Biden is working for a better America, for all.
But, he has also done some very bad things, such as refusing to secure our southern border, inexcusably bungling the Afghanistan withdrawal, easing the sanctions on Iran, weaponizing the justice system against political opponents, recklessly increasing federal spending, allowing his administration to wage war on religious freedom, pushing the extremist transgender agenda, trying to undo state laws that protect children from being allowed to go along with gender transition and/or surgery, and cancelling Trump's supremely wise executive order that required that two existing federal regulations be repealed for every new federal regulation implemented.
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Biden has made mistakes for sure but not what you listed. I'll put his mistakes at the end.
1. On the border, if the Pubs wouldnt agree to the last deal they wont agree to anything. Not sure how you can throw that on them. Trump nearly had a deal in 2017 but then his right wingers said no way would they support so he walked away from that. There is not common ground on the border because the GOP doesnt want common ground. I mean look at their proposal HR2 that authorized pastors counseling border guards and forbade electric vehicles. It was not a serious bill.
2. Afghan is on the terrorists. When terrorists kill Americans under a GOP president, everyone rallies. When it happens under Obama or Biden it is suddenly the fault of Hilary or Joe. Fuck the fuck off. Such bullshit. 50 American soldiers died under Trump and no on on the right cares. It is 100% political. What about all those deaths under Trump? Which ones are you listing as inexcusably bumbling? Such a joke.
3. Trump didnt do anyone right with Iran either. They are a hostile state and he lost all our leverage. Is Joe doing wonders? Nope. And you know as well as anyone that is their money. We arent crooks. We are just using it as leverage.
4. Joe has zero "weaponizing" of the justice system. Trump has an issue with states - GA and NY specifically. The US justice department is looking only at his hiding and lying about documents (not having them, but lying and hiding them) and Jan 6th (no surprise). Trump will probably beat the Jan 6 case and lose the documents one (which likely wont include jail) but since he drew a hack of a judge in that Florida Document case it will drag on for a decade.
5. Get over being scared of the dozen transgender people in your state that you will never meet. Its no big deal. Why you guys want to die on the hill of bigotry over the way people look or act is unreal. Be a normal person and be normal around people whether they act like you or not. Grow up.
6. I go to church every Sunday and Biden has zero impact on that. We pray whenever we want (bedtime/meals) and no one bothers us. What are you talking about????
BIDEN mistakes:
- He should have transitioned the leadership to a younger successor this year and not run
- Merrick Garland was a mistake. Moving too slowly so everything seems out of date that he is working on
- He should have been out campaigning on all the points I listed all last year and is a shitty campaigner
- Should have traded Harris for Newsome in 2024
- Shamelessly pandering to college kids on loans. He knew he couldnt cancel them.
- Should have worked on his border bill with pubs in year 2 not year 3. He was a full year too slow even though the GOP shit the bed.
- He should have repealed tariffs by now to reduce inflation in imported goods but Dems like protectionism
- Rate cuts should be done by the Fed and he doesnt have enough pressure on him
- Trump should have been destroyed as an option by Biden right after Jan 6th with a vote to declare it an insurrection, not an impeachment for a guy not even in office.
I could go on. He aint perfect but he has delivered a solid administration.
Jarlaxle
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Yet. He's doing his damndest in Ukraine.
HikerGuy83
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Not by a long shot.
You forgot that markets were down 20% in 22.
Post Covid pressure is the only thing saving him.
And it cost him too.
I noticed nothing about interest rates.
I noticed nothing about inflation.
You are a certified hack.
HikerGuy83
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Schumer tanked the deal.
The majority of Americans, DO NOT think Joe Biden is a great president.
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Majority of Americans are overweight too so maybe they don’t always make good decisions? Although Biden‘s poor marketing is to blame for some of it.
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The contention is that Biden deserves our respect.
To which I would say....pure and utter B.S.
Biden went to the top of contempt list in 1987 when he smeared Robert Bork ahead of his hearing.
Bork never had a chance, and I've never forgiven the moronic stuttercluck ever since.
I've watched him make a fool of himself on several occasions.
He knows next to nothing about anything.
He is currently a hood ornament. That's it.
I was never on board with the whole eff Joe Biden thing only because society is to crass as it is.
However, given the chance, I'd say it to his face. That's how much respect that demented, corrupt, lying, career politician gets from me.
To which I would say....pure and utter B.S.
Biden went to the top of contempt list in 1987 when he smeared Robert Bork ahead of his hearing.
Bork never had a chance, and I've never forgiven the moronic stuttercluck ever since.
I've watched him make a fool of himself on several occasions.
He knows next to nothing about anything.
He is currently a hood ornament. That's it.
I was never on board with the whole eff Joe Biden thing only because society is to crass as it is.
However, given the chance, I'd say it to his face. That's how much respect that demented, corrupt, lying, career politician gets from me.
Yeah, that's it...poor marketing.
'Denio' is NOT a river in Egypt, but it is a junction in Nevada.
Yeah, that's it...poor marketing.
Lol!!
Isn't that rich?!!!
Has nothing to do with the state of the country, it's all "marketing"!
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Thanks for the laugh. You weren't really serious, were you?
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