Joe B updated Democratic Field Rating (Progressives only, please)

[Ame®icano]

Was for Joe Biden, but now leaning MB. You are correct that Joe is in free fall and I don’t see any reversal of that trend. I thought I would never vote for a businessman for president given the atrocious track record of W. and Trump, but Bloomberg at least sounds reasonable and has the best chance of taking out the the Orange scourge.

I agree, but who is W.?

George W. Bush. W. was our first M.B.A. president. Like Trump, his primary qualification for the presidency was running businesses to the ground.

Yet, left proposes that everyone should have an M.B.A. provided and financed by government.

 

[Ame®icano]

before you'd vote for a guy running on a total 100% pro-American make America Great platform whose been a huge success for the USA in his first term.

Uh, sorry, Trump has turned us into a fascist dystopia.... I've never been ashamed of being an American until now.

Excuse me, that part was done by your Kenyan idol. Taking over auto industry, banking regulations, forcing coal energy out of business in favor of solar (Solyndra)... directives from top down. That's what original fascist did, and socialists too.

 

[Intolerant]

Typical JoeB131 ...
JB - "This is what is true, no disagreements can be made"
Other - "you are wrong because X"
JB - "You are a Trump lover, and stupid"
Other - "ok so... Fact1 ....Fact2..."
JB - You have nothing to add, Trumpbot"
Other - "and you won't discuss facts..."
JB - "THis is what is true and no disagreements can be made"

Sounds like Jake starky.

 

[Ame®icano]

The truth is, the Democrats are going to be stuck with whatever POS candidate the DNC foists on them.

Hold yer nose and cast yer vote.

Votes wont matter. Sanders knows that very well. Only thing he can ask before they **** him over again is "Can you use lube this time?".

 

[Ame®icano]

Of your list..I like Pete..his gayness means nothing to me..and I like that he is a Vet. I doubt that he can get the Black and Hispanic votes though.

The Right will never get past the fact that he is gay..and his last name begins with Butt..never.

The irony about Conservative hatred of Buttigieg is that they support Trump. A man that wears more make up than RuPaul and has a drag queen look about him. Not to mention that Trump is by far the biggest drama queen to ever hold the office of the presidency.

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Sorry, Coleslaw, but that fake photo was already circulated and proven fake on another thread. You'll need to get a new one to pump your fake stories with and get a refund from the person who sold you this one..

With left, it doesn't matter it's fake. It doesn't matter if something is a lie. Left will go with it, and expect you to drop everything you're doing to prove it's fake, and it's a lie. By the time you done, they've already moved to another lie.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Republican campaign

Sanders is.......Commie, Commie, Commie
Buttengeig is......***, ***, ***
Biden is.......Crooked, Crooked, Crooked
Warren is.......Pocahontas
Bloomberg is.......Short, Short, Short

The OP was asking for intelligence, but you posted the truth. In (R) talk. LOL

Those are all true. Rightwinger is a rare democrat in that at least he can recognize the weaknesses.

I'm not even sure he is a real person. In fact, I am more or less convinced he is a revolutionary type of spambot: RW is a stupidbot. It is the leading edge of artificial idiocy.

 

[Ame®icano]

Was for Joe Biden, but now leaning MB. You are correct that Joe is in free fall and I don’t see any reversal of that trend. I thought I would never vote for a businessman for president given the atrocious track record of W. and Trump, but Bloomberg at least sounds reasonable and has the best chance of taking out the the Orange scourge.

So your primary requirement for a potential President, is whether or not he can beat an incumbent?

‘LOL...first, I said Bloomberg sounds reasonable and second yeah, I am not going to vote someone that will lose to Trump.Though that sounds like Trumpist logic. Trumpist votes for the biggest loser to ever to hold the Presidency.

Every one of those clownshoes Democratic candidates is like the proverbial dog chasing the car: If they ever do really catch it, they're not going to have a clue as to what to do with it. Do you really think any of those losers can fill a real President's shoes?

Trump’s shoe size like his hand size are very, very small.

His legacy is large. Very large. President Trump has fundamentally and irreversibly transformed this nation, down to the cellular level. Many of his accomplishments won't even be realized for generations.

I don't think he did. It will take long time to find and get rid of all the Barry's holdovers who are like sleeper cells. Along with Democrats in Congress, and media they're actively working on sabotaging Trump's presidency. It would be the same if any other Rep is a president.

What Trump is doing is reversing damage left from his predecessor(s), and of course, there is resistance. A lot of work is to be done in his next four years, and hopefully he'll have both, House and Senate on his side.

 

[Jarlaxle]

And this thread represents quite well how regressive people think.
They are only interested in saying what they want to say, with no one disagreeing, and if they do... they should be banned from the thread.

Not at all. It's just that anything from a Trump Supporter wouldn't add anything to the conversation.

Right now, I haven't picked a candidate to support. I was leaning towards Warren, but she has flamed out, probably won't be around after SC>

Now, here's the thing. If you were to aggregate all their view on the issues, they are probably in agreement on 90% of them. (Except Moscow Tulsi.. she's just a nut who went to Congress because no one pays that much attention) So any one of them will still get me 90% of what I want in terms of issues. Probably less when they get into office and encounter the system's basic resistance to change.

The real question is, which one would be the strongest against Trump. I think the only ones who would be strong at this point would be Bernie, because he has a corps of dedicated followers, and Bloomberg, because he has the resources and media Savvy to promote himself.

Don';t worry, the race will likely be over by the time you can vote in a primary.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Was for Joe Biden, but now leaning MB. You are correct that Joe is in free fall and I don’t see any reversal of that trend. I thought I would never vote for a businessman for president given the atrocious track record of W. and Trump, but Bloomberg at least sounds reasonable and has the best chance of taking out the the Orange scourge.

So your primary requirement for a potential President, is whether or not he can beat an incumbent?

In fairness...that is frequently a criteria for a challenger.

 

[Jarlaxle]

before you'd vote for a guy running on a total 100% pro-American make America Great platform whose been a huge success for the USA in his first term.

Uh, sorry, Trump has turned us into a fascist dystopia.... I've never been ashamed of being an American until now.

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[Ame®icano]

Of your list..I like Pete..his gayness means nothing to me..and I like that he is a Vet. I doubt that he can get the Black and Hispanic votes though.

The Right will never get past the fact that he is gay..and his last name begins with Butt..never.

My problem with PB is that he is the mayor of the 4th largest city in IN. Not stunning qualifications

Well...community organizer and freshman Senator didn't exactly shine out either, now did it? Especially as it was clear to most that his Senate seat was clearly a stepping stone. Had Obama not been Black..he would have never gained the traction to win the election..and we both know it.

I like that Pete's not a boomer...and that this generation can relate to him. "No more Geezers" should be the Democratic Campaign slogan!

I don’t disagree. I voted for HRC instead of Obama based on her resume as well. And if I recall correctly—I was registered in Texas at the time as I recall—the week she narrowly won the Texas and Ohio contests, she lost three small states big time. Because of the proportional awarding; Obama won just as many delegates that evening as she did.

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It’s good that VT WY and MS played such a critical role...LOL.

"voted for HRC instead of Obama based on her resume as well"

LOL

This is golden.

I'm not Barry's fan, but even he deserves some defending, when defending is due.

Hillary never had anything that wasn't given to her, she never earned anything. What was her resume comparing to Barry's? That she was wife of the president, and before that... zip. She moved to New York to take Sen. Moynihan seat, pretty much inherited it because he retired. Secretary of State, also given, didn't earned it. First time that she run, and had more votes than Barry, it was taken away from her by DNC.

Resume my ass.

 

[Ame®icano]

So your primary requirement for a potential President, is whether or not he can beat an incumbent?

‘LOL...first, I said Bloomberg sounds reasonable and second yeah, I am not going to vote someone that will lose to Trump.Though that sounds like Trumpist logic. Trumpist votes for the biggest loser to ever to hold the Presidency.

Every one of those clownshoes Democratic candidates is like the proverbial dog chasing the car: If they ever do really catch it, they're not going to have a clue as to what to do with it. Do you really think any of those losers can fill a real President's shoes?

Trump’s shoe size like his hand size are very, very small.

His legacy is large. Very large. President Trump has fundamentally and irreversibly transformed this nation, down to the cellular level. Many of his accomplishments won't even be realized for generations.

You’re right in this regard. Trump’s attack on the institutions of this country will have ramifications long after he’s gone. It will take a generation to fix the damage Trump has done to the Country in less than 3 years, if his damage is ever repaired.

What institutions of this country Trump attacked, precisely?

 

[Jarlaxle]

Was for Joe Biden, but now leaning MB. You are correct that Joe is in free fall and I don’t see any reversal of that trend. I thought I would never vote for a businessman for president given the atrocious track record of W. and Trump, but Bloomberg at least sounds reasonable and has the best chance of taking out the the Orange scourge.

Bloomberg ran NYC for a dozen years. He has experience with politics and experience with Trump

If Little Mike we’re running as an R, you would condemn him as a racist for his stop and frisk policy. Since he’s a D, all good.

Do you have any crediblity?

No, and he never did.

 

[Ame®icano]

Okay, all you Trump supporters, please sit this one out. You have 500 other threads where you can scream "They are all communists!!!"

In no particular order.

Bernie Sanders - Sanders is in a strong position because he has dedicated followers. This helps a lot in a primary battle. He's leading a movement, everyone else is just running a campaign.

His weakness- he's a lot further to the left than any Democrat since McGovern. If Trump weren't the alternative, even I'd consider voting Republican. Also, his age, he's pushing 80!

Peter Buttigeig - He's young, he's dynamic. He's the only veteran in the group. (Seriously, both parties, we've just been through a 19 year war and you can't find any vets to run?) The downside. He's gay, and I'm not sure the country is ready for a gay president yet. Right now, he's benefiting from being an alternative to Bernie and Biden. But he's running fifth nationally, and you have to wonder if this is just another case of placing too much emphasis on NH and IA.

Joe Biden - He's pretty much in freefall right now. He could still pull a rally at South Carolina. Let's not forget, Bill Clinton lost both IA and NH, and still turned it around. His big strength remains that there's still a lot of good will for him in the African American community for being Obama's wingman for 8 years.

Liz Warren - Probably turned out to be too smart for the room. She had lots of good ideas, and got bogged down into arguments about her Native American heritage and whether or not Bernie said a woman couldn't
run. (Ignoring Bernie's decades of support for female candidates.)

Amy Klochabar - this is a case of someone running for Vice President. She knows she's not going to be the nominee, we know it.. She's trying to place strong enough where someone will pick her up because she's a woman from the midwest.

Mike Bloomberg - Bloomberg's big strength is that he has nearly an infinite amount of money to run. He has strong progressive creds, but also strong cred as someone who can work in a bi-partisan manner. If it comes down to him and Bernie, it would be ironic if the the top two contenders for the Democratic Nomination aren't actually Democrats.

His weaknesses - the current mood in the Democratic party is anti-plutocratic, and his stances on gun control wouldn't play well in the red states.

Tom Steyer - Um, yeah, I guess he's still in this.


Tulsi Gabbard - The Kremlin needs to ask for it's money back.

It’s interesting that leftwingers look at their candidates superficial attributes in determining who to give their support to.

None of you are choosing a candidate based on the policies and ideas they champion. Of course the candidates aren’t actually running on any ideas of how to make the country better. Their only message is “Orange Man Bad”.

Maybe if you focused on which President Trump policies you want reversed, then you could find your candidate:

Which candidate will promise to cave to China and promise to ship them our manufacturing jobs?

Which candidate promises to bring back ISIS and get us involved in more unnecessary wars like the Hussein did?

Which candidate promises to end the record low unemployment rates for blacks and get more of them back on welfare?

Which candidate promises to defund and weaken our military like BJ Clinton and the Hussein did?

Which candidate promises to allow other nations to impose tariffs and unfair trade deals on the US without repercussions?

Which candidate promises to not put an end to corruption?

Which candidate promises to put America last?


Answer those and you might have your candidate.

Correct. Lefties don't know which candidate to support because they all pretty much support the same leftist agendas. They can't make that decision, they have to be told whom they should support.

Every candidate so far is trying to outpromise others with how much free shit they'll give away. Free college. Free healthcare. Free housing. Free sex reassignment surgery. Hey, I'll give everyone $1000, after I tax you a $1000.

 

[Ame®icano]

Here's the thing. EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM is leading Trump in the polls. Why do you think that is if things are so wonderful?

For starters, I don't believe the polls, however, it is possible they are correct. If so, it is likely due to the gullibility of American people. They mindlessly believe what they read on the front page of some liberal rag as they walk by or the blip they hear on the nightly MSM news. People who truly delve into the state of the economy, the job market, wages, etc. know the truth. The problem is, this is a very small percentage of the population. Most are too concerned with whatever is trending on Twitter. A dumbed down electorate is a huge advantage for the left and the MSM continues to work towards that goal.

The same polls that were giving Hillary 90% chance of winning against Trump, are today giving her 60% chance of winning against Trump. If she couldn't win with 90% chance, who possibly she could with 60%. But they're encouraging her to give it a shot.

 

[Ame®icano]

Was for Joe Biden, but now leaning MB. You are correct that Joe is in free fall and I don’t see any reversal of that trend. I thought I would never vote for a businessman for president given the atrocious track record of W. and Trump, but Bloomberg at least sounds reasonable and has the best chance of taking out the the Orange scourge.

Bloomberg ran NYC for a dozen years. He has experience with politics and experience with Trump

Great. You lefties were screaming how Trump's renting practices were racist, without any proof, because it was settled in court. It didn't bother you to call him a racist. That's OK, because everyone who's not with you on anything is a racist, we got it. Now you have Bloomberg, on the record, giving racist speeches (unintentionally), sexist jokes about women in workforce (but they're jokes, right), and not a single leftist raise the question about it, and even defending it.

It's not about "stop & frisk" policy itself, but about how he was explaining it and defending it.

 

[Ame®icano]

Okay, all you Trump supporters, please sit this one out. You have 500 other threads where you can scream "They are all communists!!!"

In no particular order.

Bernie Sanders - Sanders is in a strong position because he has dedicated followers. This helps a lot in a primary battle. He's leading a movement, everyone else is just running a campaign.

His weakness- he's a lot further to the left than any Democrat since McGovern. If Trump weren't the alternative, even I'd consider voting Republican. Also, his age, he's pushing 80!

Peter Buttigeig - He's young, he's dynamic. He's the only veteran in the group. (Seriously, both parties, we've just been through a 19 year war and you can't find any vets to run?) The downside. He's gay, and I'm not sure the country is ready for a gay president yet. Right now, he's benefiting from being an alternative to Bernie and Biden. But he's running fifth nationally, and you have to wonder if this is just another case of placing too much emphasis on NH and IA.

Joe Biden - He's pretty much in freefall right now. He could still pull a rally at South Carolina. Let's not forget, Bill Clinton lost both IA and NH, and still turned it around. His big strength remains that there's still a lot of good will for him in the African American community for being Obama's wingman for 8 years.

Liz Warren - Probably turned out to be too smart for the room. She had lots of good ideas, and got bogged down into arguments about her Native American heritage and whether or not Bernie said a woman couldn't
run. (Ignoring Bernie's decades of support for female candidates.)

Amy Klochabar - this is a case of someone running for Vice President. She knows she's not going to be the nominee, we know it.. She's trying to place strong enough where someone will pick her up because she's a woman from the midwest.

Mike Bloomberg - Bloomberg's big strength is that he has nearly an infinite amount of money to run. He has strong progressive creds, but also strong cred as someone who can work in a bi-partisan manner. If it comes down to him and Bernie, it would be ironic if the the top two contenders for the Democratic Nomination aren't actually Democrats.

His weaknesses - the current mood in the Democratic party is anti-plutocratic, and his stances on gun control wouldn't play well in the red states.

Tom Steyer - Um, yeah, I guess he's still in this.


Tulsi Gabbard - The Kremlin needs to ask for it's money back.

Progressive Era ended in 1920. Get an education. Stop calling yourselves "progressives." Call yourselves "Eugene V. Debs Socialist" because that's what you are.
The Progressive Era (1890 - 1920)

Correct. Russian revolution of 1917 was a bloodbath, which is only way how communists can acquire power. Americans rejected communism, and progressives were looking more and more as socialists. Their goals were the same, only ways to get to it were different. Progressives were more like mesheviks in Russia, who didn't wanted the bloody revolution, but were for slower approach.

 

[Ame®icano]

Okay, all you Trump supporters, please sit this one out. You have 500 other threads where you can scream "They are all communists!!!"

In no particular order.

Bernie Sanders - Sanders is in a strong position because he has dedicated followers. This helps a lot in a primary battle. He's leading a movement, everyone else is just running a campaign.

His weakness- he's a lot further to the left than any Democrat since McGovern. If Trump weren't the alternative, even I'd consider voting Republican. Also, his age, he's pushing 80!

Peter Buttigeig - He's young, he's dynamic. He's the only veteran in the group. (Seriously, both parties, we've just been through a 19 year war and you can't find any vets to run?) The downside. He's gay, and I'm not sure the country is ready for a gay president yet. Right now, he's benefiting from being an alternative to Bernie and Biden. But he's running fifth nationally, and you have to wonder if this is just another case of placing too much emphasis on NH and IA.

Joe Biden - He's pretty much in freefall right now. He could still pull a rally at South Carolina. Let's not forget, Bill Clinton lost both IA and NH, and still turned it around. His big strength remains that there's still a lot of good will for him in the African American community for being Obama's wingman for 8 years.

Liz Warren - Probably turned out to be too smart for the room. She had lots of good ideas, and got bogged down into arguments about her Native American heritage and whether or not Bernie said a woman couldn't
run. (Ignoring Bernie's decades of support for female candidates.)

Amy Klochabar - this is a case of someone running for Vice President. She knows she's not going to be the nominee, we know it.. She's trying to place strong enough where someone will pick her up because she's a woman from the midwest.

Mike Bloomberg - Bloomberg's big strength is that he has nearly an infinite amount of money to run. He has strong progressive creds, but also strong cred as someone who can work in a bi-partisan manner. If it comes down to him and Bernie, it would be ironic if the the top two contenders for the Democratic Nomination aren't actually Democrats.

His weaknesses - the current mood in the Democratic party is anti-plutocratic, and his stances on gun control wouldn't play well in the red states.

Tom Steyer - Um, yeah, I guess he's still in this.


Tulsi Gabbard - The Kremlin needs to ask for it's money back.

Good analysis.

I don't want someone too far to the left, I want someone closer to the center who can work in a bipartisan fashion. I also want someone with strong environmental creds, someone willing to tackle comprehensive immigration reform with both parties....and yes, Bernie's age is not a good factor too.

"good analysis"

LOL

 

[Ame®icano]

Steve Bannon on FOX News just now stated what we all know already: That Bloomberg is staging a hostile takeover of the Democrat Party, and will enlist Hillary as a running mate.

Bernie will most likely be given the shaft again, so hold your noses and vote, you Democrats.

Hillary isn't going to run. Why would you believe Bannon?

I agree, she's not going to run. Most likely she will be called to save the party as "unity candidate". It's not that Democrats haven't done it before, and it's not that they didn't steal the primaries before, so everything goes after first ballot is cast.

 

[Ame®icano]

They are all communists.

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He doesn't actually know what that word means. He just heard the big kids say it and wants to sound grown up.

If you knew what that word really means, you would never support any of them.