Jimmy Carter: A Rebuttal

[Foxfyre]

The thread is specific as to Carter and the Democrat Party giving terrorist Iran to the world.

Carter gave us Iran.


Khomeini and his allies in Iran actually reached out to the Americans, to whom he promised a) to hold the country together, calming the unrest, b) to keep the communists out, and c) to keep the oil flowing. That’s all Carter had to hear! Carter then intercedes with the Iranian military on behalf of Khomeini and in opposition to Bakhtiar, and that the US would not support any coup in favor of the Shah. In 1991, Bakhtiar was assassinated.

a. Carter believed that Khomeini would support democracy, contrary to all that he had written while in exile. In over 110 interviews he gave in Paris in the three months prior to re-entering Iran, he never mentioned the rule of the ‘juriscouncil,’ the clerical guardianship, i.e., the regime in control currently. He promised that he would retire to a life of study, and “…leave all powers to the people.”

b. The first constitution that was written was democratic! Khomeini flew to Iran in February, ’79. Within weeks he began to marginalize democracy forces. Soon a new constitution was written with the rule of the guardians at its center. November 4, of ’79 was the attack on the US embassy and taking of the hostages for 444 days.

Dr. Abbas Milani is he Director of the Iranian Studies Program at Stanford University. His recent book is “The Shah,” is based on ten years studying the archives of the United States and of Britain. The following is from his recent lecture on that subject.

<em>The Shah</em>

Carter was a man who meant well and I honestly believe he wanted to be good. But he epitomized the Peter Principle.

He probably was a decent governor of Georgia--I've never looked up the stats on that--but the Presidency was definitely over his head. He had no idea whatsoever how to competently handle the challenges he faced: rising unemployment, double digit interest rates, double digit inflation, shortages/long gas lines etc. And his mismanagement of the Iranian hostage crisis was epic. Numerous bad policy decision.

So a not-all-that-popular Reagan was able to win with a landslide in 1980 and deny Carter a second term.

Carter was a failed president with a really good post-presidency.

 

[Robert W]

PoliticalChic, I agree with many of your points, but some of your points are either overblown or inaccurate, and you are ignoring (1) all the conflicts Carter had with the liberal wing of his party and (2) all the good things Carter did in terms of massive deregulation, expanding oil and natural gas production, limiting the growth of federal spending, blocking pork-barrel spending proposed by his fellow Democrats, etc., etc. Recall, too, that Carter tried to push through a middle-income tax cut.

The Jimmy Carter of 1980 would be a pariah in today's Democratic Party.

None of them are liberals. So why did you say they are?
When I was struggling to stay alive under Carter due to the massive hikes to interest, the tumbling economy and the vanishing of the Savings and Loan industry, where they once had some decent home loans that Carter killed off, who were liberal?

Democrats hate that Carter deregulated. Reagan kept up the good work.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You were told to shut up by Democrat IM2 and if he follows form, so will JoeB131.

What you bring to this forum is massive expertise, the proof is you submit links to real proof and will engage with honest posters by being honest with us all.

This rarely occurs, but I am speechless.
All I can come up with, is thank you!

 

[mikegriffith1]

Like unilaterally abrogating our defense treaty with Taiwan (ROC)? How about his "racetrack" idea for mobile ICBMs running around in the desert? On the other hand, he did straighten out the White House tennis schedule.

If you folks could take off your partisan blinders and look at Carter's record objectively you would see that he did many good things and that he repeatedly battled the liberal wing of his party. Ted Kennedy challenged Carter in the 1980 Dem primaries because liberals were so upset with Carter on a number of issues, e.g., his opposition to the liberals' health care proposal, his boosting of defense spending, his massive deregulation (for which he needed considerable GOP votes to pass), his opposition to pork-barrel projects, his support of the pro-life Hyde Amendment, etc., etc.

 

[Robert W]

If you folks could take off your partisan blinders and look at Carter's record objectively you would see that he did many good things and that he repeatedly battled the liberal wing of his party. Ted Kennedy challenged Carter in the 1980 Dem primaries because liberals were so upset with Carter on a number of issues, e.g., his opposition to the liberals' health care proposal, his boosting of defense spending, his massive deregulation (for which he needed considerable GOP votes to pass), his opposition to pork-barrel projects, his support of the pro-life Hyde Amendment, etc., etc.

Per Carter we were in a serious Malaise.

 

[PoliticalChic]

If you folks could take off your partisan blinders and look at Carter's record objectively you would see that he did many good things and that he repeatedly battled the liberal wing of his party. Ted Kennedy challenged Carter in the 1980 Dem primaries because liberals were so upset with Carter on a number of issues, e.g., his opposition to the liberals' health care proposal, his boosting of defense spending, his massive deregulation (for which he needed considerable GOP votes to pass), his opposition to pork-barrel projects, his support of the pro-life Hyde Amendment, etc., etc.

Which of Carter's endeavors is more important than his creating the Ayatollah's barbaric Iran?

How many lives does that equate to?

 

[mikegriffith1]

jwoodie said:
Like unilaterally abrogating our defense treaty with Taiwan (ROC)?

BTW, yes, Carter did do that, but you're forgetting that he followed up by signing the Taiwan Relations Act of 1979, which guaranteed U.S. defense aid to Taiwan and which stipulated that Taiwan would only become part of China through peaceful, voluntary means. The act further specified that "the United States shall provide Taiwan with arms of a defensive character and shall maintain the capacity of the United States to resist any resort to force or other forms of coercion that would jeopardize the security, or social or economic system, of the people of Taiwan."

Taiwan Relations Act of 1979

 

[irosie91]

It is almost three weeks that I have been holding my tongue, submitting to the hagiography of the peanut man..
Here is the true legacy of Jimmy Carter. To see where Jimmy fits in, pay special attention to #5.


First post is to set the history in perspctive of where Carter belongs:

Let's review:

1. The Democrats are, and have always been, the party of slavery, segregation, and second-class citizenship, the party that stood in schoolhouse doors to block black school children….until Republicans sent in the 101st airborne

2. It is the party of Jefferson Davis, the KKK, Planned Parenthood, concentration camps for American citizens, and restrictions on free speech.

3. It is the party of Mao ornaments on the White House Christmas tree, and of James Hodgkinson, and of Communist Bernie Sanders, of pretend genders.

4. The Democrat Party is the oldest racist organization in America, the trail of tears, the author of Jim Crow and the bigotry of low expectations, filibustered against women getting the vote and killed every anti-lynching bill to get to Congress

5. The Democrat Party is the number one funder of the Islamic Revolution in Tehran….to the tune of $100 billion to the Ayatollahs….and gave Hezbollah the go-ahead to sell cocaine in America.

6. It is the party of anti-Semitism and Louis Farrakhan, and of the first Cabinet member ever to be held in contempt of Congress.

7. It is the party that admits its future depends on flooding the country with illegal aliens, and telling them to vote.

8. It is the party that couldn't suck up to the Castro Brothers enough, and treats the Bill of Rights like a Chinese menu..

9. The Democrats got us into the Civil War…Jefferson Davis .... Woodrow Wilson, WWI….FDR, WWII……Truman, Korean War….VietNam, JFK and LBJ…..yet they want to weaken our military.

10. The Democrats are the party that looks at the mayhem their gun laws have produced in Chicago, ……and this is their model for the nation.

not entirely----it is also the party of labor unions in Red Hook,
Brooklyn and following the Triangle fires

 

[Persuader]

I haven't heard much praise about his presidency. Was he a cunning con man or just a useful idiot?

Jilmuh Carter had the highest i.q. of any President yet he was a failure as President......engineers do not make good leaders....they get hung up on details....aka jmmuh could not delegate authority to the extent he should have aka personally assigning parking spaces at the capitol......good leaders do not waste time on mundane details that could easily be done by someone in the lower ranks

His failed to recognize the importance of the Panama Canal to our National Security and thus he gave it away. One of the biggest blunders by a President in our entire history


How does China control the Panama Canal?

The Government of Panama granted a concession to operate the ports of Balboa and Cristobal, on the Pacific and Atlantic sides of the Canal, ryespectively, to the Hong Kong company Hutcheson-Whampoa in 1996.
Hutcheson is controlled by the Chinese Army,


Hutchison-Whampoa owner's links to the Chinese military and intelligence services and the Chinese government's ownership stake in Panama Ports ...

 

[mikegriffith1]

His failed to recognize the importance of the Panama Canal to our National Security and thus he gave it away. One of the biggest blunders by a President in our entire history

And how's the Panama Canal doing now? Do we have any problems using it? No.

BTW, John Wayne supported Carter's Panama Canal treaty.

The partisan blindness displayed in this thread is just sad. Some conservatives are just as closed-minded and rabidly biased as the worst woke liberals.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Jilmuh Carter had the highest i.q. of any President yet he was a failure as President......engineers do not make good leaders....they get hung up on details....aka jmmuh could not delegate authority to the extent he should have aka personally assigning parking spaces at the capitol......good leaders do not waste time on mundane details that could easily be done by someone in the lower ranks

His failed to recognize the importance of the Panama Canal to our National Security and thus he gave it away. One of the biggest blunders by a President in our entire history


How does China control the Panama Canal?

The Government of Panama granted a concession to operate the ports of Balboa and Cristobal, on the Pacific and Atlantic sides of the Canal, ryespectively, to the Hong Kong company Hutcheson-Whampoa in 1996.
Hutcheson is controlled by the Chinese Army,


Hutchison-Whampoa owner's links to the Chinese military and intelligence services and the Chinese government's ownership stake in Panama Ports ...

A minor disagreement.

"Jilmuh Carter had the highest i.q. of any President ...."



Of course that is nonsense, the same boilerplate we hear about every Democrat.


Let me provide one simple bromide for you to memorize that will aid to your understanding:

.....a simple rule that will clarify the current milieu:

Any article, event, opinion, data or study that redounds in favor of the Left/Demorat Party, is to be considered a lie or hoax.

Begin with that rule and you will never go wrong.

 

[PoliticalChic]

not entirely----it is also the party of labor unions in Red Hook,
Brooklyn and following the Triangle fires

"entirely " refers to what, exactly?


Put a little effort in here.

 

[mikegriffith1]

He had no idea whatsoever how to competently handle the challenges he faced: rising unemployment, double digit interest rates, double digit inflation, shortages/long gas lines etc.

Every one of these statements is simply wrong. By the end of Carter's last year in office, the unemployment rate had dropped, going from 7.8% in December 1976 to 7.2% in December 1980. Under Carter, the economy added 9.8 million jobs, compared to 9.4 million during Nixon's last five years and compared to 8.9 million during Obama's eight years in office.

As for double-digit interest rates and double-digit inflation, for Carter's first two years, inflation was lower than it was under his predecessor, Gerald Ford. When inflation began to rise sharply, substantially due to high gas prices, Carter wisely appointed Paul Volcker to reduce inflation by raising interest rates until inflation came down, which is exactly what happened. Republicans conveniently forget that it was the Carter-Volcker tough-love interest rates that cut inflation by over half by 1982, and that interest rates remained in double digits until Reagan's second term.

As for gas shortages and long gas lines, Carter approved a record amount of oil and natural gas drilling and deregulated the natural gas industry. Some of the Carter’s impressive accomplishments relating to energy during his term:

• 15 lease sales including 3 offshore Alaska, 3 in the Atlantic, and 1 offshore California
• Drilling activity in all 4 regions: GoM, Pacific, Alaska, and Atlantic
• Natural gas discovery in the Mid Atlantic (Hudson Canyon Unit)
• North, Mid, and South Atlantic District offices for permitting and inspections
• 5300 well starts including 97 in water depths > 1000′
• 314 new platforms including Cognac, the world’s first platform in > 1000′ of water
• Comprehensive amendments to the OCS Lands Act (1978)
• Annual natural gas production reached nearly 5 tcf (approximately 6 times current OCS gas production) (Jimmy Carter supported a strong national OCS oil and gas program)

 

[PoliticalChic]

Every one of these statements is simply wrong. By the end of Carter's last year in office, the unemployment rate had dropped, going from 7.8% in December 1976 to 7.2% in December 1980. Under Carter, the economy added 9.8 million jobs, compared to 9.4 million during Nixon's last five years and compared to 8.9 million during Obama's eight years in office.

As for double-digit interest rates and double-digit inflation, for Carter's first two years, inflation was lower than it was under his predecessor, Gerald Ford. When inflation began to rise sharply, substantially due to high gas prices, Carter wisely appointed Paul Volcker to reduce inflation by raising interest rates until inflation came down, which is exactly what happened. Republicans conveniently forget that it was the Carter-Volcker tough-love interest rates that cut inflation by over half by 1982, and that interest rates remained in double digits until Reagan's second term.

As for gas shortages and long gas lines, Carter approved a record amount of oil and natural gas drilling and deregulated the natural gas industry. Some of the Carter’s impressive accomplishments relating to energy during his term:

• 15 lease sales including 3 offshore Alaska, 3 in the Atlantic, and 1 offshore CaliforniaW
• Drilling activity in all 4 regions: GoM, Pacific, Alaska, and Atlantic
• Natural gas discovery in the Mid Atlantic (Hudson Canyon Unit)
• North, Mid, and South Atlantic District offices for permitting and inspections
• 5300 well starts including 97 in water depths > 1000′
• 314 new platforms including Cognac, the world’s first platform in > 1000′ of water
• Comprehensive amendments to the OCS Lands Act (1978)
• Annual natural gas production reached nearly 5 tcf (approximately 6 times current OCS gas production) (Jimmy Carter supported a strong national OCS oil and gas program)

Why would you spend any time defending a lying anti-Semitic loser like Carter?

 

[mikegriffith1]

Why would you spend any time defending a lying anti-Semitic loser like Carter?

This is as irrational and wrong as the stuff that comes from woke liberals about conservatives.

Carter was "anti-Semitic"??? In case you don't know, I'm fiercely pro-Israeli and pro-Jewish. I can assure you that Carter was neither anti-Israeli nor anti-Semitic. Perhaps you missed the history that Carter persuaded Egypt to recognize Israel and to have normalized relations with Israel, a move that infuriated radical Muslims? You might read this article from a prominent Jewish rabbi who used to be very critical of Carter:

https://jweekly.com/2025/01/03/when-i-met-with-president-carter-about-israels-apartheid/

And Carter was one of the most honest, decent, honorable men ever to occupy the White House.

 

[Robert W]

Every one of these statements is simply wrong. By the end of Carter's last year in office, the unemployment rate had dropped, going from 7.8% in December 1976 to 7.2% in December 1980. Under Carter, the economy added 9.8 million jobs, compared to 9.4 million during Nixon's last five years and compared to 8.9 million during Obama's eight years in office.

My job under Carter was putting homes up for sale for owners and being paid for selling them. It went from my doing very well when he took office to disaster in his final years. If a person had a job and did not get laid off, they might think they were immune from disaster. But Until I invented a way to sell homes, It was worse than an uphill battle. Carter talked about the public feeling distressed. It was easy for Reagan to win two terms since he was far and away a superior president.

 

[PoliticalChic]

This is as irrational and wrong as the stuff that comes from woke liberals about conservatives.

Carter was "anti-Semitic"??? In case you don't know, I'm fiercely pro-Israeli and pro-Jewish. I can assure you that Carter was neither anti-Israeli nor anti-Semitic. Perhaps you missed the history that Carter persuaded Egypt to recognize Israel and to have normalized relations with Israel, a move that infuriated radical Muslims? You might read this article from a prominent Jewish rabbi who used to be very critical of Carter:

https://jweekly.com/2025/01/03/when-i-met-with-president-carter-about-israels-apartheid/

And Carter was one of the most honest, decent, honorable men ever to occupy the White House.

This Democrat Jimmy Carter:

Carter secretly coached Arafat​

At a time when Yasser Arafat was regarded as a diplomatic pariah by the U.S. government, former President Jimmy Carter secretly coached the Palestinian leader to improve his image, drafted passages for Arafat's public speeches and counseled other leaders of the Palestinian uprising in Israeli-occupied territories, according to a forthcoming book.
"There was no world leader Jimmy Carter was more eager to know than Yasser Arafat," the historian Douglas Brinkley wrote in "The Unfinished Presidency: Jimmy Carter's Journey Beyond the White House" to be published in May by Viking. "Carter felt certain affinities with the Palestinian: a tendency toward hyperactivity and a workaholic disposition. Both men were like modern Bedouins with airplanes instead of camels," always moving. The book portrays the former Georgia governor as a messianic character, infused with righteousness, working Arab back channels to change Middle East equations.
Carter secretly coached Arafat



"Then you have President Jimmy Carter, whose book, “Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid,” painted him as a passionate (to this day) Jew hater. He spawned the Iran of the Mullahs who continue their threats to destroy Israel on a daily basis. Throw in for good measure, Barack Obama, for whom 75%+ of Jews supported on his two presidency wins. And there has not been one Jew, to this day, who has granted me an answer to my question: “When you voted for Obama, weren’t you aware of his 20+ years as a loyal, devoted member of Rev. Wright’s fervently, Jew hating church? He referred to Wright as his uncle. Wright officiated at the Obama wedding wedding and baptized his daughters. Wright was on his Election Committee. So how could you have voted for him knowing this?” Zilch answers. Normal.

Op-Ed: It’s Time For Democrat Jews to Awaken From Their Political Slumber​

I was once there. Until I matured to read news sources other than the NYT and used the internet to truly open my eyes, I was on your side of the fence. Do some research of your own. Do some critical thinking about the path your party is taking releva

www.publishedreporter.com

 

[irosie91]

This Democrat Jimmy Carter:

Carter secretly coached Arafat​

At a time when Yasser Arafat was regarded as a diplomatic pariah by the U.S. government, former President Jimmy Carter secretly coached the Palestinian leader to improve his image, drafted passages for Arafat's public speeches and counseled other leaders of the Palestinian uprising in Israeli-occupied territories, according to a forthcoming book.
"There was no world leader Jimmy Carter was more eager to know than Yasser Arafat," the historian Douglas Brinkley wrote in "The Unfinished Presidency: Jimmy Carter's Journey Beyond the White House" to be published in May by Viking. "Carter felt certain affinities with the Palestinian: a tendency toward hyperactivity and a workaholic disposition. Both men were like modern Bedouins with airplanes instead of camels," always moving. The book portrays the former Georgia governor as a messianic character, infused with righteousness, working Arab back channels to change Middle East equations.
Carter secretly coached Arafat



"Then you have President Jimmy Carter, whose book,“Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid,” painted him as a passionate (to this day) Jew hater. He spawned the Iran of the Mullahs who continue their threats to destroy Israel on a daily basis. Throw in for good measure, Barack Obama, for whom 75%+ of Jews supported on his two presidency wins. And there has not been one Jew, to this day, who has granted me an answer to my question: “When you voted for Obama, weren’t you aware of his 20+ years as a loyal, devoted member of Rev. Wright’s fervently, Jew hating church? He referred to Wright as his uncle. Wright officiated at the Obama wedding wedding and baptized his daughters. Wright was on his Election Committee. So how could you have voted for him knowing this?” Zilch answers. Normal.

Op-Ed: It’s Time For Democrat Jews to Awaken From Their Political Slumber​

I was once there. Until I matured to read news sources other than the NYT and used the internet to truly open my eyes, I was on your side of the fence. Do some research of your own. Do some critical thinking about the path your party is taking releva

www.publishedreporter.com

In the words of a very intelligent black neuroscience technician I knew----way back in the 1970s-----"why doesn't Roselynn take him back to the peanut farm where he belongs"?
He was a very nice peanut farmer

 

[PoliticalChic]

This Democrat Jimmy Carter:

Carter secretly coached Arafat​

At a time when Yasser Arafat was regarded as a diplomatic pariah by the U.S. government, former President Jimmy Carter secretly coached the Palestinian leader to improve his image, drafted passages for Arafat's public speeches and counseled other leaders of the Palestinian uprising in Israeli-occupied territories, according to a forthcoming book.
"There was no world leader Jimmy Carter was more eager to know than Yasser Arafat," the historian Douglas Brinkley wrote in "The Unfinished Presidency: Jimmy Carter's Journey Beyond the White House" to be published in May by Viking. "Carter felt certain affinities with the Palestinian: a tendency toward hyperactivity and a workaholic disposition. Both men were like modern Bedouins with airplanes instead of camels," always moving. The book portrays the former Georgia governor as a messianic character, infused with righteousness, working Arab back channels to change Middle East equations.
Carter secretly coached Arafat



"Then you have President Jimmy Carter, whose book,“Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid,” painted him as a passionate (to this day) Jew hater. He spawned the Iran of the Mullahs who continue their threats to destroy Israel on a daily basis. Throw in for good measure, Barack Obama, for whom 75%+ of Jews supported on his two presidency wins. And there has not been one Jew, to this day, who has granted me an answer to my question: “When you voted for Obama, weren’t you aware of his 20+ years as a loyal, devoted member of Rev. Wright’s fervently, Jew hating church? He referred to Wright as his uncle. Wright officiated at the Obama wedding wedding and baptized his daughters. Wright was on his Election Committee. So how could you have voted for him knowing this?” Zilch answers. Normal.

Op-Ed: It’s Time For Democrat Jews to Awaken From Their Political Slumber​

I was once there. Until I matured to read news sources other than the NYT and used the internet to truly open my eyes, I was on your side of the fence. Do some research of your own. Do some critical thinking about the path your party is taking releva

www.publishedreporter.com

Looks like I hurt your feelings by asking you to put some effort in.

Whining and lying is not putting in effort, it is intellectually lazy and lackng integrity.

 

[mikegriffith1]

This Democrat Jimmy Carter:

Carter secretly coached Arafat​

At a time when Yasser Arafat was regarded as a diplomatic pariah by the U.S. government, former President Jimmy Carter secretly coached the Palestinian leader to improve his image, drafted passages for Arafat's public speeches and counseled other leaders of the Palestinian uprising in Israeli-occupied territories, according to a forthcoming book.
"There was no world leader Jimmy Carter was more eager to know than Yasser Arafat," the historian Douglas Brinkley wrote in "The Unfinished Presidency: Jimmy Carter's Journey Beyond the White House" to be published in May by Viking. "Carter felt certain affinities with the Palestinian: a tendency toward hyperactivity and a workaholic disposition. Both men were like modern Bedouins with airplanes instead of camels," always moving. The book portrays the former Georgia governor as a messianic character, infused with righteousness, working Arab back channels to change Middle East equations.
Carter secretly coached Arafat

"Then you have President Jimmy Carter, whose book,“Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid,” painted him as a passionate (to this day) Jew hater. He spawned the Iran of the Mullahs who continue their threats to destroy Israel on a daily basis.

You haven't read Carter's book, Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid, have you? He loudly condemned Palestinian terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians as "morally reprehensible" and "dastardly" (p. 18). He attacked "the refusal of some Arabs to accept Israel as a neighbor," "the rise in Islamic fundamentalism," and "the absence of a clear and authoritative Palestinian voice acceptable to Israel" (p. 13). He argued that "the Arabs must acknowledge openly and specifically that Israel is a reality and has a right to exist in peace" (p. 207). And on and on I could go.

As a proud Zionist and staunch supporter of Israel, I take issue with some of Carter's statements in the book, but no sane person who reads the book could conclude that Carter was a "passionate Jew hater." That is just absurd. Carter expressed great love for Jews and for the state of Israel, flatly condemned Arab terrorism, and insisted that Arabs had to recognize Israel's right to exist and cease attacking her.

And anyone who knows anything about modern Middle East history knows that radical Muslims were outraged by Egypt's peace treaty with Israel, which is why they assassinated Egypt's leader, Anwar Sadat, who signed the peace deal.