Looks like we've IM2 competition , 'cept this time it's 'Christian privilege', instead of 'White privilege'
credit where due, you folks are so much better at the whole guilt trip ....
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Looks like we've IM2 competition , 'cept this time it's 'Christian privilege', instead of 'White privilege'
credit where due, you folks are so much better at the whole guilt trip ....
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Then try Proverbs 10:12
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“ Jewish Guilt” because we had the right to survive? You’re right !!
Looks like we've IM2 competition , 'cept this time it's 'Christian privilege', instead of 'White privilege'
credit where due, you folks are so much better at the whole guilt trip ....
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Yawn.., No response
Then try Proverbs 15:1
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Yawn..,, No response
Exactly.
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why not tell them to just read the whole book ...
it's not like either side is any different than the other ... why not trying something new - tell them to burn their book and you burn your book and both of you start a new book ....
Because I’m not a religious fanatic nutjob like you..
why not tell them to just read the whole book ...
it's not like either side is any different than the other ... why not trying something new - tell them to burn their book and you burn your book and both of you start a new book ....
may God have mercy on your soul.
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.Because I’m not a religious fanatic nutjob like you..
why not tell them to just read the whole book ...
it's not like either side is any different than the other ... why not trying something new - tell them to burn their book and you burn your book and both of you start a new book ....
may God have mercy on your soul.
sorry bing, anything is better than being a - creep. not to mention the christian thing ...
Thanks for proving my point, nutjob..Because I’m not a religious fanatic nutjob like you..
why not tell them to just read the whole book ...
it's not like either side is any different than the other ... why not trying something new - tell them to burn their book and you burn your book and both of you start a new book ....
may God have mercy on your soul.
sorry bing, anything is better than being a - creep. not to mention the christian thing ...
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Whoah! Is that Goyim hate I sense? Wow, that's a new one to me.
Cage match! OP and this guy!
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Being a Christian I have to acknowledge the damage done to Jews via the Catholic church. Essentially, through the Catholic church Jews were oppressed for centuries in Europe. They had their belongings rounded up and stolen, kicked out of entire countries time and again, put in ghettos, forced to wear the star of David, or just rounded up in large numbers and murdered. The climax was the Holocaust, but, the sad part is that everything that had been done to them in the Holocaust had been done to them centuries, prior, only on a much larger scale.
So do I blame the faith of Christianity? No. Perhaps I blame those who were sincere in their faith yet turned a blind eye or who knew better and went along with it anyway, but most of the damage was done by those in government, like Hitler, who claimed to be a Christian but obviously was not. Martin Luther is a good example of those who were sincere in the faith but went down the wrong road in life. Here we have a man who saw the abuses of the Catholic church as the church was out selling people their salvation and he cried foul. Well done Martin Luther, it was obvious heresy. However, he then later shifted in his life towards anti-Semitism and ended up joining the oppression. But if we are going to be intellectually honest enough to mention the short comings of Martin Luther, we should also be willing to also acknowledge men like Bonhoeffer who were Christian leaders who rose up to oppose Hitler to the point of giving his very own life to do so, in order to save the Jews.
I would also assert that the effects of Martin Luther had more to do with the Guttenberg press than his actual stance and message. For you see, this was at a time when most "Christians" did not have the written Bible in their midst, nor even the ability to read it. All of what they knew about the Bible they relied on the church to tell them, which if we are honest about it, was essentially having the state run the pulpit as Popes acted more like an emperor than holy men of God. So with the power of the press combined with the power of Martin Luther's message that the church was acting heretical, the power and influence of the Catholic church began to wane significantly to the point of the Pope losing all power over the politics of Europe.
In short, I blame the politicization of Christianity that started with Constantine discovering the fledgling new Christian faith and deciding to use it as his own for political gain. For you see, Constantine was not even a Christian as he continued to worship the pagan gods even though embracing the Christian faith as his own publicly. Granted, it is rumored that Constantine converted on hid death bed. Christ warned that he was not of this world nor could be and that if he were his followers would have risen up to set him free from going to the cross but did not because his kingdom was not of this world, rather, he was beginning to bring his kingdom to earth that would come later. This is why Christ was not political and why a man made state claiming to speak for God could not exist.
So are there Jews that hate Christians? I'm sure there are, just like there are feminists who hate men that is rooted in men treating women badly, however, not all men are bad. Similarly, Jews like Dennis Prager are good people who don't hate Christians. In fact, Dennis credits Christianity as being the greatest influence to bringing the Torah to the world than any other single factor. He then credits this spreading of the Torah to influencing the Founding Fathers to create the most prosperous and free country in the history of the world, the one respite Jews have had in the world today. Dennis also freely acknowledges that most Jews today are agnostic/atheists, and are also Left wing. So is it a coincidence that Jews who reject God also embrace the Left hating Zionists, much like the early heretical Catholic church run by the state who hated Jews? I say that there is a reason why those who reject God lean Left, or drift towards statism and ironically hate Jews and Christians as well.
1 Samuel 8 shows us a young Hebrew nation that had lost it's way. They had been brought from the chains of Egypt to the Promised Land by God and the people clamored for a king that was similar to the kind of human king that had enslaved them in Egypt. God then told the prophet Samuel that the people were rejecting him by asking for a human king, and then warned them of the abuses that would be inflicted on them if he gave them their desire. But the people would not listen and continued to demand a human king, so God gave it to them and warned them that when he did, he would not listen to their cries while being oppressed by them. So God gave them Saul, the first human king of Israel as the nation broke apart by the fourth king of Israel, and then further devolved as the nation was broken apart completely until they found themselves in the ovens of Germany. And is it any coincidence that those ovens were owned by national Socialists, people who had deified Hitler as a god?
The Bible refers to human beings as sheep. It then all comes down to who you select as a shepherd. You then have the option of two main shepherds, the state or God. Those what choose the state you will find don't believe in God, or if they do, are not serious about their faith. They will also trend towards anti-Zioinism. Those that are serious about their faith will be the polar opposite. These are not coincidences. Today the most anti-Semitism comes from the Left and Islam. For you see, Islam and the state are one. After all, Sharia law is Islam, to the entire focus of Islam is the state being taken over so they can live under Sharia. As such, Leftists and Islam are of one mind in this regard. Both view their salvation, or lack thereof, as coming from the state and men or religious leaders to rule over them. That is why both seek a third Holocaust, to cast the entire state of Israel into the sea.
So do I blame the faith of Christianity? No. Perhaps I blame those who were sincere in their faith yet turned a blind eye or who knew better and went along with it anyway, but most of the damage was done by those in government, like Hitler, who claimed to be a Christian but obviously was not. Martin Luther is a good example of those who were sincere in the faith but went down the wrong road in life. Here we have a man who saw the abuses of the Catholic church as the church was out selling people their salvation and he cried foul. Well done Martin Luther, it was obvious heresy. However, he then later shifted in his life towards anti-Semitism and ended up joining the oppression. But if we are going to be intellectually honest enough to mention the short comings of Martin Luther, we should also be willing to also acknowledge men like Bonhoeffer who were Christian leaders who rose up to oppose Hitler to the point of giving his very own life to do so, in order to save the Jews.
I would also assert that the effects of Martin Luther had more to do with the Guttenberg press than his actual stance and message. For you see, this was at a time when most "Christians" did not have the written Bible in their midst, nor even the ability to read it. All of what they knew about the Bible they relied on the church to tell them, which if we are honest about it, was essentially having the state run the pulpit as Popes acted more like an emperor than holy men of God. So with the power of the press combined with the power of Martin Luther's message that the church was acting heretical, the power and influence of the Catholic church began to wane significantly to the point of the Pope losing all power over the politics of Europe.
In short, I blame the politicization of Christianity that started with Constantine discovering the fledgling new Christian faith and deciding to use it as his own for political gain. For you see, Constantine was not even a Christian as he continued to worship the pagan gods even though embracing the Christian faith as his own publicly. Granted, it is rumored that Constantine converted on hid death bed. Christ warned that he was not of this world nor could be and that if he were his followers would have risen up to set him free from going to the cross but did not because his kingdom was not of this world, rather, he was beginning to bring his kingdom to earth that would come later. This is why Christ was not political and why a man made state claiming to speak for God could not exist.
So are there Jews that hate Christians? I'm sure there are, just like there are feminists who hate men that is rooted in men treating women badly, however, not all men are bad. Similarly, Jews like Dennis Prager are good people who don't hate Christians. In fact, Dennis credits Christianity as being the greatest influence to bringing the Torah to the world than any other single factor. He then credits this spreading of the Torah to influencing the Founding Fathers to create the most prosperous and free country in the history of the world, the one respite Jews have had in the world today. Dennis also freely acknowledges that most Jews today are agnostic/atheists, and are also Left wing. So is it a coincidence that Jews who reject God also embrace the Left hating Zionists, much like the early heretical Catholic church run by the state who hated Jews? I say that there is a reason why those who reject God lean Left, or drift towards statism and ironically hate Jews and Christians as well.
1 Samuel 8 shows us a young Hebrew nation that had lost it's way. They had been brought from the chains of Egypt to the Promised Land by God and the people clamored for a king that was similar to the kind of human king that had enslaved them in Egypt. God then told the prophet Samuel that the people were rejecting him by asking for a human king, and then warned them of the abuses that would be inflicted on them if he gave them their desire. But the people would not listen and continued to demand a human king, so God gave it to them and warned them that when he did, he would not listen to their cries while being oppressed by them. So God gave them Saul, the first human king of Israel as the nation broke apart by the fourth king of Israel, and then further devolved as the nation was broken apart completely until they found themselves in the ovens of Germany. And is it any coincidence that those ovens were owned by national Socialists, people who had deified Hitler as a god?
The Bible refers to human beings as sheep. It then all comes down to who you select as a shepherd. You then have the option of two main shepherds, the state or God. Those what choose the state you will find don't believe in God, or if they do, are not serious about their faith. They will also trend towards anti-Zioinism. Those that are serious about their faith will be the polar opposite. These are not coincidences. Today the most anti-Semitism comes from the Left and Islam. For you see, Islam and the state are one. After all, Sharia law is Islam, to the entire focus of Islam is the state being taken over so they can live under Sharia. As such, Leftists and Islam are of one mind in this regard. Both view their salvation, or lack thereof, as coming from the state and men or religious leaders to rule over them. That is why both seek a third Holocaust, to cast the entire state of Israel into the sea.
Good link.
Wow it seems to be a given that I should just accept the conclusion that the Catholic Church is responsible for antisemitism and the Holocaust without any supporting facts.
Catholic Church and Judaism - Wikipedia
Catholic Church and Judaism - Wikipedia
Good link.
Notice how the writer claims Jews are no different than anyone else, yet goes on to explain how they are in fact...different?
Implying God loves,respects or expects anything more from any of his children, moves them into the realm of religious racism
For you atheists , implying the world loves,respects or expects anything more is just plain everyday racism as well
Which i agree with more, simply because it strips the facade of fundie faith away from hiding behind
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I actually agree with the author despite the cliquish tribal behavior seen on these boards.Good link.
Notice how the writer claims Jews are no different than anyone else, yet goes on to explain how they are in fact...different?
Implying God loves,respects or expects anything more from any of his children, moves them into the realm of religious racism
For you atheists , implying the world loves,respects or expects anything more is just plain everyday racism as well
Which i agree with more, simply because it strips the facade of fundie faith away from hiding behind
~S~
There is nothing inherently special about the Jews, other than their propensity to pass down their history and knowledge orally from generation to generation. Some have argued that this honed their intelligence which may well be true but I don’t see it from the Jews who post here. I bet less than 10% of them even believe in God. Which is not unusual given that the OT records they cycled between remembering God and forgetting God. Of course Jews haven’t cornered the market on this behavior as it seems this applies to all human societies and correlates to good and bad times. When things are going well, **** God. When things aren’t going well, save us God. No doubt the Jews on this board will totally misapply my point here.
but getting back to your point, if they truly believe there is nothing inherently special about themselves and give all credit for their success to God then chosenness is the least arrogant position they could take. Unfortunately the ones posting here seem to be extremely arrogant.
just my two cents.
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.Thanks for proving my point, nutjob..Because I’m not a religious fanatic nutjob like you..
why not tell them to just read the whole book ...
it's not like either side is any different than the other ... why not trying something new - tell them to burn their book and you burn your book and both of you start a new book ....
may God have mercy on your soul.
sorry bing, anything is better than being a - creep. not to mention the christian thing ...
what's your point bing, having them read your book proves you have read it yourself.
why do you fail to answer the simple question posed to you before to prove your religion;
what are the sins you are unable to stop committing.
* what's going to stop you from committing them if you were to find yourself in the Everlasting, what's your point being here at all. christian.
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Anti-Semitism of the "Church Fathers"
The church & anti-Semitism | Commonweal Magazine
Christian Persecution of Jews over the Centuries — United States Holocaust Memorial Museum
ETC, ETC, ETC.
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