Zone1 Jew Hatred - I don't get it.

[BreezeWood]

the heavens created earth and life, the completion is referred by them as a sabbath - to be kept holy.

jesus knew, the jews through moses hated him for their daily devotion their allegiance for sleeping in was more important to them.

 

[Meriweather]

OK, so what he’s saying is what all traditional Christians believe: that if they believe that Jesus “died for our sins,” which of course Jews do not believe, that they will be “saved” and go to Heaven, no matter their behavior or actions.

Now, in my mind, that is not as good as the Jewish teachings, which focuses on actions and the law (mitzvot) over what one thinks or believes.

In Judaism, what is it that prompts one to focus behavior on right actions and the law?

 

[Lisa558]

In Judaism, what is it that prompts one to focus behavior on right actions and the law?

That’s what the religion teaches, just as Christianity teaches that belief in Jesus is the focus.

 

[Meriweather]

That’s what the religion teaches, just as Christianity teaches that belief in Jesus is the focus.

The Catholic faith teaches it is by the grace of God that everyone is open to following the law of God written on our hearts. It is the grace of God that prepares us to follow His law and to help those in need. We have free will to respond (or not) to God's grace. It is through grace we are invited into a redemptive, redeeming faith--and salvation is faith in the ways of God working through love. The Catholic faith teaches that it all starts with God; that God prepares all to receive His grace, and with/by His grace we are called to discern His will and to follow it. God gives us all the grace needed.

 

[Lisa558]

The Catholic faith teaches it is by the grace of God that everyone is open to following the law of God written on our hearts. It is the grace of God that prepares us to follow His law and to help those in need. We have free will to respond (or not) to God's grace. It is through grace we are invited into a redemptive, redeeming faith--and salvation is faith in the ways of God working through love. The Catholic faith teaches that it all starts with God; that God prepares all to receive His grace, and with/by His grace we are called to discern His will and to follow it. God gives us all the grace needed.

I’m honestly not sure what you’re getting at. Judaism teaches that Gd has set for us 613 mitzvot, and we try our best to follow them. So from that approach, of course the law (mitzvot, commencements) starts with Gd.

 

[irosie91]

I’m honestly not sure what you’re getting at. Judaism teaches that Gd has set for us 613 mitzvot, and we try our best to follow them. So from that approach, of course the law (mitzvot, commencements) starts with Gd.

I think (ie IMO) that the difference is in Judaism acts are more important than belief and the issue of FREE CHOICE is very prominent and in Catholicism- belief is paramount. Jews do not have to believe. Non-belief
is not damning

 

[Lisa558]

I think (ie IMO) that the difference is in Judaism acts are more important than belief and the issue of FREE CHOICE is very prominent and in Catholicism- belief is paramount. Jews do not have to believe. Non-belief
is not damning

Yes, clearly: faith v actions.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

the jews have lost their minds ...



daveman, netanyahu ... worship together, hand in hand.

Do you like pie?

 

[daveman]

I am not cursing anyone. I have just alerted you to the fact that you have cursed yourself, by worshipping a Jewish man, celebrating his death "believing" you can sin with impunity for life.

You love Jesus so much that you are OK that an innocent Jewish man died for you so you don't have to be held accountable or pay the price for your own sins, death. Woo hoo! Yay! Scumbag.

I'm sure that Jesus is very impressed by your deep and abiding love for and devotion to him.

I am.

Your approval of my faith is neither sought nor required.

You should probably stop speaking authoritatively about Christianity. You don't seem to know anything about it.

Run along now.

 

[irosie91]

Your approval of my faith is neither sought nor required.

You should probably stop speaking authoritatively about Christianity. You don't seem to know anything about it.

Run along now.

what did he miss?

 

[daveman]

what did he miss?

"I have just alerted you to the fact that you have cursed yourself, by worshipping a Jewish man, celebrating his death "believing" you can sin with impunity for life.

"You love Jesus so much that you are OK that an innocent Jewish man died for you so you don't have to be held accountable or pay the price for your own sins, death."

Christians do not believe we can sin with impunity for life. We strive to sin no more, though, being human, we do sin, and we ask for forgiveness, and work to avoid temptation and not repeat the same sins.

Christ's sacrifice was necessary to God's plan. The price for our sins is always death; in Christian theology, death means separation from God. God allowed His Son's sacrifice to pay the price of death for us, that we may spend Eternity in Heaven with Him.

Further, Jesus was both human and God. Hobelim dismisses Him as merely a man.

He knows very little about Christianity, and isn't interested in learning more about it. He's much too happy hating it.

 

[irosie91]

"I have just alerted you to the fact that you have cursed yourself, by worshipping a Jewish man, celebrating his death "believing" you can sin with impunity for life.

"You love Jesus so much that you are OK that an innocent Jewish man died for you so you don't have to be held accountable or pay the price for your own sins, death."

Christians do not believe we can sin with impunity for life. We strive to sin no more, though, being human, we do sin, and we ask for forgiveness, and work to avoid temptation and not repeat the same sins.

Christ's sacrifice was necessary to God's plan. The price for our sins is always death; in Christian theology, death means separation from God. God allowed His Son's sacrifice to pay the price of death for us, that we may spend Eternity in Heaven with Him.

Further, Jesus was both human and God. Hobelim dismisses Him as merely a man.

He knows very little about Christianity, and isn't interested in learning more about it. He's much too happy hating it.

IMO---

"I have just alerted you to the fact that you have cursed yourself, by worshipping a Jewish man, celebrating his death "believing" you can sin with impunity for life.

"You love Jesus so much that you are OK that an innocent Jewish man died for you so you don't have to be held accountable or pay the price for your own sins, death."

Christians do not believe we can sin with impunity for life. We strive to sin no more, though, being human, we do sin, and we ask for forgiveness, and work to avoid temptation and not repeat the same sins.

Christ's sacrifice was necessary to God's plan. The price for our sins is always death; in Christian theology, death means separation from God. God allowed His Son's sacrifice to pay the price of death for us, that we may spend Eternity in Heaven with Him.

Further, Jesus was both human and God. Hobelim dismisses Him as merely a man.

He knows very little about Christianity, and isn't interested in learning more about it. He's much too happy hating it.

Hobelim "hates" Christianity? Maybe he just questions it

 

[daveman]

IMO---

Hobelim "hates" Christianity? Maybe he just questions it

Perhaps. Either way, he's ignorant of the basic tenets.

 

[irosie91]

Perhaps. Either way, he's ignorant of the basic tenets.

how do you know? You wrote out the basic tenets----
do you imagine that everyone finds them credible?

 

[daveman]

how do you know? You wrote out the basic tenets----
do you imagine that everyone finds them credible?

I'm not saying he should find them credible. I'm saying if he's going to discuss Christianity, he should at least do basic research.

 

[irosie91]

I'm not saying he should find them credible. I'm saying if he's going to discuss Christianity, he should at least do basic research.

what did he write that indicates to you that he did not do research or was
not exposed to the basics?

 

[daveman]

what did he write that indicates to you that he did not do research or was
not exposed to the basics?

I explained his mistakes in Post #471.

 

[TruthNotBS]

I think (ie IMO) that the difference is in Judaism acts are more important than belief and the issue of FREE CHOICE is very prominent and in Catholicism- belief is paramount. Jews do not have to believe. Non-belief
is not damning

In Judaism, belief is indeed an important component, and Maimonides (the Rambam) formalized this in his 13 Principles of Faith, which many regard as foundational tenets that Jews are expected to accept as part of their faith.

While some people argue that Judaism is more about practice (mitzvot) than belief, this viewpoint tends to downplay the significance of theology and personal conviction. Rambam's 13 Principles provide a clear counterpoint to this notion, emphasizing the importance of core beliefs alongside the observance of commandments.

Here’s a summary of Rambam’s 13 Principles of Faith that highlight the role of belief:

1. Belief in the existence of God: The belief that God exists, is the Creator, and is actively involved in the universe.
2. God's unity: Belief in God's absolute unity, meaning God is one and indivisible.
3. God's incorporeality: God has no physical form or body, and any anthropomorphic descriptions in scripture are metaphorical.
4. God's eternity: God is eternal, existing beyond time and change.
5. Exclusive worship: Only God should be worshiped, with no intermediaries or other beings worthy of divine worship.
6. Prophecy: Belief that genuine prophecy is possible and that prophets are a link between God and humankind.
7. Moses as the greatest prophet: The belief that Moses was the greatest of all prophets, whose prophecies were of a uniquely clear and reliable nature.
8. The Torah's divine origin: The entire Torah (both Written and Oral) was divinely revealed to Moses and is immutable.
9. The immutability of the Torah: The Torah cannot be changed or replaced with another, and its commandments are eternally binding.
10. Divine omniscience: Belief that God knows all actions and thoughts of human beings.
11. Divine reward and punishment: The belief that God rewards those who follow the commandments and punishes those who transgress them.
12. The coming of the Messiah: Belief in the eventual coming of the Messiah.
13. Resurrection of the dead: Belief in the future resurrection of the dead, a key aspect of the afterlife in Jewish thought.

These principles illustrate that Judaism places significant importance on belief in specific theological concepts. Maimonides articulated these principles to ensure that a Jew not only observes commandments but also understands and internalizes essential beliefs about God, the Torah, and the world. This emphasizes that Judaism isn’t just a religion of action; it also requires a deeply held belief system.

 

[irosie91]

In Judaism, belief is indeed an important component, and Maimonides (the Rambam) formalized this in his 13 Principles of Faith, which many regard as foundational tenets that Jews are expected to accept as part of their faith.

While some people argue that Judaism is more about practice (mitzvot) than belief, this viewpoint tends to downplay the significance of theology and personal conviction. Rambam's 13 Principles provide a clear counterpoint to this notion, emphasizing the importance of core beliefs alongside the observance of commandments.

Here’s a summary of Rambam’s 13 Principles of Faith that highlight the role of belief:

1. Belief in the existence of God: The belief that God exists, is the Creator, and is actively involved in the universe.
2. God's unity: Belief in God's absolute unity, meaning God is one and indivisible.
3. God's incorporeality: God has no physical form or body, and any anthropomorphic descriptions in scripture are metaphorical.
4. God's eternity: God is eternal, existing beyond time and change.
5. Exclusive worship: Only God should be worshiped, with no intermediaries or other beings worthy of divine worship.
6. Prophecy: Belief that genuine prophecy is possible and that prophets are a link between God and humankind.
7. Moses as the greatest prophet: The belief that Moses was the greatest of all prophets, whose prophecies were of a uniquely clear and reliable nature.
8. The Torah's divine origin: The entire Torah (both Written and Oral) was divinely revealed to Moses and is immutable.
9. The immutability of the Torah: The Torah cannot be changed or replaced with another, and its commandments are eternally binding.
10. Divine omniscience: Belief that God knows all actions and thoughts of human beings.
11. Divine reward and punishment: The belief that God rewards those who follow the commandments and punishes those who transgress them.
12. The coming of the Messiah: Belief in the eventual coming of the Messiah.
13. Resurrection of the dead: Belief in the future resurrection of the dead, a key aspect of the afterlife in Jewish thought.

These principles illustrate that Judaism places significant importance on belief in specific theological concepts. Maimonides articulated these principles to ensure that a Jew not only observes commandments but also understands and internalizes essential beliefs about God, the Torah, and the world. This emphasizes that Judaism isn’t just a religion of action; it also requires a deeply held belief system.

wrong again----the FACT is that non-belief is not damning in
Judaism as it is in Christianity. Maimonides never suggested
that non-belief is a deadly sin. His proclamation of faith is just
that ---HIS PROCLAMATION aka the "Shemoneh Esrei" is
recited in synagogues----but failing to do so does not lead
to eternal hell-fire---- doing so just for the sake of propriety
is ok too. Good non jews don't do it at all

 

[Lisa558]

wrong again----the FACT is that non-belief is not damning in
Judaism as it is in Christianity. Maimonides never suggested
that non-belief is a deadly sin. His proclamation of faith is just
that ---HIS PROCLAMATION aka the "Shemoneh Esrei" is
recited in synagogues----but failing to do so does not lead
to eternal hell-fire---- doing so just for the sake of propriety
is ok too. Good non jews don't do it at all

Amazing how that antisemite - he’s on another thread calling Jews “anti-human scum” and more - is now telling a Jew about her own religion.

I’m wondering if the concept that believing in Jesus will save you is how he can so comfortably spew his antisemitic venom. He figures as long as he believes that Jesus was the son of Gd, he can be a hateful bigot who loves smacking Jews across the face with horrible insults.