Zone1 Jew Hatred - I don't get it.

[ding]

Not sure what’s going on here, but I too do not think Jesus told his followers they could eat treyf. He was an observant Jew. He would not have said that.

That's exactly what he said.

But what is going on here is my right to exist in Hobelim's eyes. He doesn't believe I have any. Needless to say, I'm defending it.

 

[Lisa558]

That's exactly what he said.

But what is going on here is my right to exist in Hobelim's eyes. He doesn't believe I have any. Needless to say, I'm defending it.

Nah….no real proof that he said that, although I know we disagree on that.

But of course you have a right to exist. Judaism even teaches that you have a share in The World To Come if you follow the Noahide laws, of which there are only seven.

 

[ding]

Nah….no real proof that he said that, although I know we disagree on that.

But of course you have a right to exist. Judaism even teaches that you have a share in The World To Come if you follow the Noahide laws, of which there are only seven.

There's tons of evidence; 24,000 written manuscripts, behaviors of early Christians and apostles, etc.

Part of my right to exist is my right to worship God as I see fit.

 

[hobelim]

But what is going on here is my right to exist in Hobelim's eyes. He doesn't believe I have any. Needless to say, I'm defending it.

Wow. You are quite the drama queen!

First of all I asked Ace nova a few questions, not you. Secondly this is a message board set aside for discussing religion and ethics. Me questioning if you realize that you practice idolatry, which even your own church says is a sin, and alerting you to the fact that worshipping a Jewish man is idolatry, whatever you profess to believe and celebrating the death of an innocent Jewish man is reprehensible, does in no way impede your right to exist and defy the Law of God day and night.

Jerkoff.

I couldn't care less about your what you pretend you are doing at mass, and I would never try to stop you from running with a herd of swine stampeding over a cliff if thats your deliberate choice. If you want to waste the life God gave you defying his Law and desecrating the teachings of the Jesus that you love so much you celebrate his death and eat him, by all means, munch away.

You're just another creep damned by your church to hell for the wild beasts of the field to devour

FYI, this is what is actually happening;......

I am pointing out that your church teaches that practicing idolatry is the way to eternal life and I am telling you the exact opposite is true, the consequence for the sin of idolatry is death, so then, if scripture is true, you are dead. Its a fact according to the Bible whether Smart Stupid Christian Jewish Muslim Agnostic or Atheist

Imagining that you're defending your right to exist is a joke. No one is denying your right to exist

You are defending lies you querulous numbskull.

 

[Lisa558]

There's tons of evidence; 24,000 written manuscripts, behaviors of early Christians and apostles, etc.

Part of my right to exist is my right to worship God as I see fit.

Mine too.

 

[ding]

Wow. You are quite the drama queen!

First of all I asked Ace nova a few questions, not you. Secondly this is a message board set aside for discussing religion and ethics. Me questioning if you realize that you practice idolatry, which even your own church says is a sin, and alerting you to the fact that worshipping a Jewish man is idolatry, whatever you profess to believe and celebrating the death of an innocent Jewish man is reprehensible, does in no way impede your right to exist and defy the Law of God day and night.

Jerkoff.

I couldn't care less about your what you pretend you are doing at mass, and I would never try to stop you from running with a herd of swine stampeding over a cliff if thats your deliberate choice

You're just another creep damned by your church to hell for the wild beasts of the field to devour

This is what is actually happening;

I am pointing out that your church teaches that practicing idolatry is the way to eternal life and I am telling you the exact opposite is true, the consequence for the sin of idolatry is death, so then, if scripture is true, you are dead. Its a fact according to the Bible whether Smart Stupid Christian Jewish Muslim Agnostic or Atheist

Thats the way the cookie crumbles

Imagining that you're defending your right to exist is a joke. No one is denying your right to exist

You are defending lies you querulous numbskull.

Calling it like I see it isn't drama. It's reality. You are about as foul as they come.

 

[Sixties Fan]

[ An explanation of the Muslim Jew hatred, copied from the Christian Jew hatred 600 years later ]

Part 1

Part 1

There was a kerfuffle in Gaza in response to a statement by a major religious figure criticizing Hamas for its attack on October 7 2023:

Professor Dr. Salman al-Dayah, a former dean of the Faculty of Sharia and Law at the Islamic University of Gaza, issued a fatwa against Hamas for their October 7 attacks, the BBC reported on Friday.

Fatwa is an Islamic religious decree made by a recognized Islamic jurist, Faqih, as a response to a question asked by a judge or government.

The document accused Hamas of “violating Islamic principles governing jihad.”

Dayah added, “If the pillars, causes, or conditions of jihad are not met, it must be avoided in order to avoid destroying peoples' lives. This is something that is easy to guess for our country’s politicians, so the attack must have been avoided.”

In response, a group of international Islamic scholars issued a letter to counter al-Dayah's fatwa and support Hamas' decision to murder 1,200 Jews.

It is quite lengthy, and respectful of Dayah's position and reputation. Here are some highlights of their arguments for murdering Jewish civilians and putting Gaza civilians at risk.

First of all, it is divisive to oppose Hamas terrorism:

The most dangerous thing about the matter is that the article may be understood as an absolute rejection of jihad in the Gazan reality, and a mistake in its path originally, and an underestimation of its great achievements throughout its long blessed journey, despite the sacrifices that are necessary on this path, and the matter is not related to the last flood war only, and from here it is necessary to respond and warn against this grave mistake that represents a great danger to the blessed journey of jihad, and comes at its origins and foundations, and weakens the resolve of the mujahideen, and divides their ranks...

Second, it argues that jihad is a holy obligation but most Muslims never get a chance to do it personally.

The great freedom of Islamic work in calling to Islam, preparing for jihad, and other things, which was never available, and is rarely available anywhere in the world.

Moreover, the jihad is necessary to destroy Israel and build a new Caliphate.

This is more important, that this jihad removed the state of weakness, feebleness and submission before the enemy, and kept the flame of this great duty in the heart of the nation, especially in Jerusalem and its environs, alive and burning; as a prelude to its renaissance, its people and its promised second caliphate - God willing - and this is the basic mission of the people of Palestine until they rescue with their nation the captive Al-Aqsa Mosque, which is the responsibility of the entire nation,...These great achievements and others are more evident than the sun at noon.

International Muslim clerics issue a letter saying that murdering Jews on October 7 was worth tens of thousands of Gaza deaths

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[Sixties Fan]

[ Part 2]

The war may be necessary to perform the ultimate genocide of Jews, as Allah promised.

He did not notice the intermingling of the Sunnahs in it, and that perhaps what is happening is the ultimate corruption and great arrogance that will lead the Children of Israel to their faces being ruined, and the rescue of Al-Aqsa from them, and their disappearance as Allah the Most High promised, so it will be a link in the chain of jihad and ribat on the path to victory.

Tens of thousands of dead Muslims is a small price to pay for the chance to eradicate Jews:

What is required in the affliction of calamity is patience, regardless of the form of the affliction or its cause; In any case, if people are patient, this trial will be good and a mercy for them, regardless of its cause.

The attack on October 7 is a legitimate act and a fulfillment of the duty of jihad, and there is no doubt about that, and its people will be rewarded with the reward of the great jihad, God willing

The letter does admit that, perhaps, the timing of the attack was wrong, and that perhaps Hamas could be criticized for locating its military targets among the people. But those are individual errors and do not detract from the greater issue of the importance of Jihad.

Then comes more antisemitism, not sullied by the pretense of being merely "anti-Zionist."

Whoever knows the truth of the Jews, their beliefs, their arrogance, their crimes and their great corruption on earth, and their religious war with us under the shadow of their extreme right-wing government, knows the truth of what we have mentioned, and the truth of the Almighty’s saying: "And never will the Jews or the Christians be pleased with you until you follow them... And they will not cease fighting you until they turn you back from your religion if they are able" [Al-Baqarah: 217].

The attacks on October 7 were defensive, not offensive, and therefore obligatory:

The October attack in itself is a defensive jihad, not a jihad of demand, because the reality is that the Jews are besieging Gaza, and occupying its air, sea, and envelope before it, so it is occupied in reality, so expelling them from it is obligatory and is a defensive jihad. And even though we allow disagreement in the ruling on the timing of the attack in terms of right and wrong, because it is a matter of consideration, due to the many evils that result from it and the many interests that are also brought about, then disagreement in the legitimacy of the original act is not permissible, because it is a defensive jihad that is obligatory in principle.

And of course there is honor to consider:

The true believer sees the humiliation of surrendering to the infidels, and the breaking of the banner of faith as a breaking that is difficult to recover from, and it is a painful and long affliction that he cannot truly bear, and everything less than that is easier for him as long as he has breath...

They deny Hamas uses human shields, saying that the fatwa is based on Israeli propaganda:

- There is also something unjust in his words when he provides evidence for the Mujahideen in exaggerating the mistakes, not making excuses in light of the difficult reality in which they work, and not seeing the great good deeds and huge sacrifices. Rather, it repeats and reinforces the words of the enemies without examining them, unfortunately; such as his saying: “The Mujahideen take the people of the sector as a shield to protect themselves from the attacks of their enemy without caring about the size of the disaster resulting from that.”

This is a great injustice to the Mujahideen who are doing everything they can to spare civilians any loss. They are their brothers, fathers, sons and clan, and they feel pain for their pain, so how can this be thought of them?

The signatories:

Sadiq Al-Ghariani - Grand Mufti of Libya
Muhammad al-Hasan bin al-Dido al-Shinqiti - Head of the Center for the Training of Scholars (Mauritania)
Dr. Hammam Saeed - President of the Global Coalition to Support Jerusalem and Palestine (Jordanian Muslim Brotherhood)
Hamed Al-Ali (Kuwait)
Dr. Abdul-Hay Youssef - President of the Academy of the Supporters of the Prophet, may God bless him and grant him peace (Sudan)
Dr. Muhammad Yusri Ibrahim - Vice President of the Muslim Scholars Association (Egypt)
Dr. Nawaf Takrouri - Chairman of the Palestinian Scholars Association (Jordan)
Dr. Wasfi Ashour Abu Zaid - Professor of Maqasid and Usul al-Fiqh (Turkey, I think)
Dr. Al Hassan Al Kattani - President of the League of Scholars of the Maghreb (Morocco)
Dr. Ahmed Hawwa - Secretary General of the Syrian Scholars Association
Dr. Sheikh Attia Al-Adlan - Professor of Islamic Jurisprudence and Politics (Egypt)
Dr. Ahmed Al-Jawhari - Director of the Institute at Al-Azhar Al-Sharif
Dr. Muhammad Hammam Melhem - Head of the Miraj Center for Research and Studies (Turkey)

International Muslim clerics issue a letter saying that murdering Jews on October 7 was worth tens of thousands of Gaza deaths

Blogging about Israel and the Arab world since, oh, forever.

elderofziyon.blogspot.com

 

[ding]

[ An explanation of the Muslim Jew hatred, copied from the Christian Jew hatred 600 years later ]

Part 1

Part 1

There was a kerfuffle in Gaza in response to a statement by a major religious figure criticizing Hamas for its attack on October 7 2023:



In response, a group of international Islamic scholars issued a letter to counter al-Dayah's fatwa and support Hamas' decision to murder 1,200 Jews.

It is quite lengthy, and respectful of Dayah's position and reputation. Here are some highlights of their arguments for murdering Jewish civilians and putting Gaza civilians at risk.

First of all, it is divisive to oppose Hamas terrorism:

Second, it argues that jihad is a holy obligation but most Muslims never get a chance to do it personally.

Moreover, the jihad is necessary to destroy Israel and build a new Caliphate.

International Muslim clerics issue a letter saying that murdering Jews on October 7 was worth tens of thousands of Gaza deaths

Blogging about Israel and the Arab world since, oh, forever.

elderofziyon.blogspot.com

Life is unfair. Expect to make sacrifices.

 

[hobelim]

Calling it like I see it isn't drama. It's reality.

Calling it like it is isn't drama.

But you claiming that I'm denying you the right to exist or practice your religion is pathetic drama, seriously pathetic. Aren't you embarrassed? You should be, especially since you already know that what I said about your church ritual is true, the penalty for idolatry is death. Not life. WTF!

Its not a secret dummy. Anyone can peek inside a church and see for themselves what you do.

Damn.

It is truly inspiring to see the many wonderful things believing in lies and celebrating the death of Jesus and solemnly eating him in the form of a lifeless matzo for spiritual life has done for you...

 

[MisterBeale]

White supremacist whining points. None of that hate exists.

Sure. And bigotry against blacks doesn't exist.

I love how you get so angry when others speak for the black experience, yet you have so little self-awareness, as you bleat on about the white experience.

Comedian Tyler Fischer claims he was rejected by agent for being white​

Comedian Tyler Fischer claims he was rejected by agent for being white

A white comedian claims he was rejected by a Big Apple management company because of his skin color.

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Not Hired for Being White - Tyler Fischer's Discrimination Lawsuit​

 

[hobelim]

You are about as foul as they come.

I know I know, I am a contemptible creature who has the audacity to notice that you're full of shit

Woe is me!

 

[MisterBeale]

Nah….no real proof that he said that, although I know we disagree on that.

But of course you have a right to exist. Judaism even teaches that you have a share in The World To Come if you follow the Noahide laws, of which there are only seven.

If some Christian came to you, and told you that what is in your holy texts, there is no proof that the folks actually wrote that or believed in that, what would your reaction be?

You are being really hateful and ignorant IMO.

Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 10:27-28 - English Standard Version

If one of the unbelievers invites you to dinner and you are disposed to go, eat whatever is set before you without raising any question on the ground of conscience. But if someone says to you, “This has been offered in sacrifice,” then do not eat it, for the sake of the one who informed you, and...

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27 If one of the unbelievers invites you to dinner and you are disposed to go, eat whatever is set before you without raising any question on the ground of conscience. 28 But if someone says to you, “This has been offered in sacrifice,” then do not eat it, for the sake of the one who informed you, and for the sake of conscience—

Bible Gateway passage: Mark 7:14-37 - New International Version

Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. Nothing outside a person can defile them by going into them. Rather, it is what comes out of a person that defiles them.” After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about...

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14 Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. 15 Nothing outside a person can defile them by going into them. Rather, it is what comes out of a person that defiles them.” [16] [a]

17 After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable. 18 “Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? 19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)

20 He went on: “What comes out of a person is what defiles them. 21 For it is from within, out of a person’s heart, that evil thoughts come—sexual immorality, theft, murder, 22 adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23 All these evils come from inside and defile a person.”


Christians have faith in their texts, just as you do yours.

 

[daveman]

that's called a vacuum you use instead of the truth they never existed having been madeup by the liar moses.

My post was a reference to the movie "Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark".

Does your religion offer a means of praying away the giant stick up your ass?

 

[daveman]

That's false. The original Israelites thousands of years ago were chosen to create an environment for Christ to incarnate, that's the only reason to be chosen. The Jews who rejected Christ were cut off from the vine and are no longer God's chosen people or the Israel of God. According to the NT, the New Covenant scriptures, one must be born again and spirit-filled, to be "The Israel Of God". The earthly body of Jesus Christ, his Church, is Israel, not anti-Christ Jews. You're a defender of the synagogue of Satan.

Yeah, not really. And you'll find out one day.

 

[daveman]

I know I know, I am a contemptible creature who has the audacity to notice that you're full of shit

Woe is me!

We're all contemptible creatures. None of us is worthy of the glory of Heaven.

But God made us a way to spend eternity with Him. He loves us so much He died a horrific death on the cross, so that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life.

 

[ding]

Calling it like it is isn't drama.

But you claiming that I'm denying you the right to exist or practice your religion is pathetic drama, seriously pathetic. Aren't you embarrassed? You should be, especially since you already know that what I said about your church ritual is true, the penalty for idolatry is death. Not life. WTF!

Its not a secret dummy. Anyone can peek inside a church and see for themselves what you do.

Damn.

It is truly inspiring to see the many wonderful things believing in lies and celebrating the death of Jesus and solemnly eating him in the form of a lifeless matzo for spiritual life has done for you...


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You are a subversive on a subversive mission.

 

[ding]

I know I know, I am a contemptible creature...

Woe is me!

Most subversives are.

 

[BreezeWood]

My post was a reference to the movie "Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark".

They're in a warehouse somewhere.

that's called a vacuum you use instead of the truth they never existed having been madeup by the liar moses.

- have you any other fairy tails for your phony religion - which one are you, are there any three in one - you seem to be one, at least the first two.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

There's tons of evidence; 24,000 written manuscripts, behaviors of early Christians and apostles, etc.

Part of my right to exist is my right to worship God as I see fit.

You have the RESPONSIBILITY to understand God. There is no "right" to worship God any way you choose. If course you CAN in this life, but you were given this life to get it right


"In VAIN do they worship Me, teaching as doctrine, the commandment of MEN"