I'm not missing any point, you are taking the great majority of pastors/priests and making them sound as though they are all uneducated as to the true interpretation of the scripture,
many of them are
and that they are doing it in order to 'control the masses',
some of them are
yet you will not give any solid examples. It's just 'all of them out there.. somewhere...' You won't even give me an example of one denomination that does it.
Sure I have. I have given you several
Do you know any specific churches educational requirements or lack thereof for their pastors?
Yep...already named them
Will they hire anyone off of the street?
Sometimes it's just that simple yes.
There are a great many christian colleges and universities in our country, which are teaching correct interpretation and which are not? How can you with any authority make the statements that you have made, yet you can't answer any of my questions?
I have answered them. You have simply ignored my answers.
What is a church by your definition? A specific congregation? A denomination?
Usually when I say Church with a capital C I am referring to a major organized religion such as Catholicism. With a lower case c I am referring to a stand alone, individual building
The 'church' is made up of people, people are not perfect, people sin. An expectation of perfection from a body of church members is a bit of a steep expectation on your part. I've never seen the characteristics that you keep pushing out there in any congregation I've been a part of.
Perhaps not....or you weren't paying very much attention.
And where you draw the line is a completely personal opinion. Apparently your view of discipleship is very limitied, I wouldn't say that agrees with Christ's teachings.
And that too is a completely personal opinion
Whenever you put the whole Bible 'up for interpretation', I guess you can say it means pretty much whatever you want it to mean. Pretty convenient.
Yeah the Church does it all the time. Go find out what Midrash is and you will see it in action.
Pick one verse that was offered in the op, provide where you are getting your source for that verse, and what you used to translate it. I'd be very interested to see what exactly it is that you are using as a source for your scripture as opposed to what is commonly known. I mean, based on what you're saying in this thread, nothing in the Bible can be trusted, might as well just throw it in the trash, right?
I already did several times and no that's not what I am saying at all. I am saying to read the Bible, but look deeper. Don't take anything on face value. Go find out if what is written in your English translation is actually the same as what is written in the original languages. A lot of times they are different and significantly different. I mean Independent Logic who has a degree in theology is here telling you pretty much the same thing. There are differences between what he is saying and what I am saying but the general theme is pretty much the same. You disregard him too apparently so what does it matter? You're not going to listen.
I didn't say either of those were 'homosexual institutions', but homosexual sex certainly falls into both of those categories. What the Romans did or did not do has no bearing on what the Bible said or didn't say, the two are completely unrelated as far as this topic goes.
No they are not...they are
TOTALLY related. 100% completely intertwined. Good Lord. Do you know nothing of the history of Christianity?
So, according to you, scripture regarding 'adulterous relationships' was translated correctly? Or can that be thrown into the 'unknown' category as well?
Well that's a different thread unto itself. In ancient Jewish tradition there were several stages of marriage and while a woman was considered "unmarried" until the last stage the betrothed husband had sexual rights to the betrothed wife at a far earlier stage so it kind of depends on how you look at it.
This comment is strange to me coming from someone who has studied the Bible and the culture. The legalities of the day meant nothing to Jesus, He made a clear delineation between the Christian life and 'the world'.
Oh yes they did. Jesus acknowledged the law, even Roman law....did you forget the part about rendering unto Caesar what is Caesar's? Do you think that stopped at taxes? He simply said that the law of God is greater than the law of man. But to think that the legalities of the day meant nothing to Jesus is flat out laughable.
Many and Most are a high percentage of the absolute.
But they are not the absolute are they?
