Jehovah's Witnesses and Evangelism...is evangelizing (going door to door) a mandate for J.W.s...?

[HaShev]

1) Ezekiel 28 teaches Jesus is Lucifer the "son of perdition"
2) your last reply to me was a sin, do you know what you did wrong?
3) your last reply To me proved my point, JW's in most part want people to graciously accept their books yet they do not give the same respect, in fact worse you comitted a great sin instead, let's see if you will
1- admit your sin,2-apologize ,3-make a comittment not to repeat your sin, 4-if possible make ammends through compensation. 3-4 steps to Teshuva that you and most Christians have shown unwilling to do.
Ironically the RCC you love to hate is the best at attoning for their sins through confession. Not saying it works their process, but they at least try to address this insistance and inclination to continue messing up by ignoring it.

 

[Mudda]

How come you believe a 2000 year old crock of shit written by camel herders who believed in witches, thought the earth was flat, shit on the ground and wiped on their hands? I don't think your criterion is set very high.

That is strange, did you witness all of that? As well how come the whole world has been watching Revelation 13 pass right before their eyes for years now? Written over 1900 years ago. But its as Jesus said it would be--As in the days of Noah( 99% mislead) the world took no note.

If generation after generation is totally and thoroughly brain washed as children....any kind of ludicrous bullshit is possible. C'mon Now!!!!!

A ghost floating on a cloud meeting his audience to escort them through pearly gates to an exclusive community to live a life a life of bliss

The 2/3 who are sinners burning eternally in a lake of fire and brimstone.

A flood covers the earth to a depth of five miles and evaporates within a year.

Big fish puking up live men.

Seas separating for the good guys and drowning the bad guys chasing them.

Compound walls falling at the sound of a trumpet.

A human being turned into a pillar of salt in her tracks.

Men living through a 1200 degree furnace.

The earth standing still.

Ten commandments presented to one man by god in the form of a burning bush.

A man walking on water.

A man/god on earth feeding five thousand plus women and children who also ate with two fish and five loaves then gathering 12 baskets of leftovers.

Water turned into fine wine.

Lepers healed by touching them.

Selectively raising dead men.

Virgin birth.

Resurrection.


You talk about a massive load of unadulterated horse shit......that takes the cake(no pun intended)

actually not believing it will take your cake.
A God who can make mortal living beings out of--ashe, dust, water--the breath of life can do anything.

Too bad your god is made up and comes from a book of fiction.

It teaches in Ezekial about 30 times---They will have to know, I am Jehovah--- and all will soon.

You sure that's not a U2 lyric?

 

[Mudda]

1) Ezekiel 28 teaches Jesus is Lucifer the "son of perdition"
2) your last reply to me was a sin, do you know what you did wrong?
3) your last reply To me proved my point, JW's in most part want people to graciously accept their books yet they do not give the same respect, in fact worse you comitted a great sin instead, let's see if you will
1- admit your sin,2-apologize ,3-make a comittment not to repeat your sin, 4-if possible make ammends through compensation. 3-4 steps to Teshuva that you and most Christians have shown unwilling to do.
Ironically the RCC you love to hate is the best at attoning for their sins through confession. Not saying it works their process, but they at least try to address this insistance and inclination to continue messing up by ignoring it.

So what restitution did you make? None? Then say hi to Adolf when you get to hell.

 

[kjw47]

1) Ezekiel 28 teaches Jesus is Lucifer the "son of perdition"
2) your last reply to me was a sin, do you know what you did wrong?
3) your last reply To me proved my point, JW's in most part want people to graciously accept their books yet they do not give the same respect, in fact worse you comitted a great sin instead, let's see if you will
1- admit your sin,2-apologize ,3-make a comittment not to repeat your sin, 4-if possible make ammends through compensation. 3-4 steps to Teshuva that you and most Christians have shown unwilling to do.
Ironically the RCC you love to hate is the best at attoning for their sins through confession. Not saying it works their process, but they at least try to address this insistance and inclination to continue messing up by ignoring it.

I sinned huh??? You just called the son of God--satan-- how blind can a mortal be?
Confession of a sin is not repentence-- the stopping of the doing of a sin = repentence. 1Cor 6:9-11-- makes the statement---this is what some of you were=past tense--they stopped doing their sin.

 

[HaShev]

See you displaced blame again.
I gave you 3 chances to Teshuva, each time you displaced blame instead and comited various sins baring false testimony, displacing your Baal worship and lying about something you have no knowledge of.
Conclusion: your mixing Michael HaMoshiach with The fallen false messiah Jesus is not making you a true or better person. The fallen star caused you to be like wormwood, bitter and poisonous. Being half on track means nothing if you also are also half off track in an opposite direction. Humanity has enough fence sitters who walk sideways.

 

[kjw47]

See you displaced blame again.
I gave you 3 chances to Teshuva, each time you displaced blame instead and comited various sins baring false testimony, displacing your Baal worship and lying about something you have no knowledge of.
Conclusion: your mixing Michael HaMoshiach with The fallen false messiah Jesus is not making you a true or better person. The fallen star caused you to be like wormwood, bitter and poisonous. Being half on track means nothing if you also are also half off track in an opposite direction. Humanity has enough fence sitters who walk sideways.

Your teachers are sick in the heart, and all who follow them. Jesus is Gods son.

 

[HaShev]

See you displaced blame again.
I gave you 3 chances to Teshuva, each time you displaced blame instead and comited various sins baring false testimony, displacing your Baal worship and lying about something you have no knowledge of.
Conclusion: your mixing Michael HaMoshiach with The fallen false messiah Jesus is not making you a true or better person. The fallen star caused you to be like wormwood, bitter and poisonous. Being half on track means nothing if you also are also half off track in an opposite direction. Humanity has enough fence sitters who walk sideways.

Your teachers are sick in the heart, and all who follow them. Jesus is Gods son.

Once again you admited you worship another God.

and worse when you said:"Your teachers are sick in the heart, and all who follow them." this becpmes an admission since Jesus is supposed to be a Jew, a Rabbi, a Moshiach (required to lead us to Torah) then ypur claim those teachers and Torah as" sick in heart" and all who follow them including Jesus then you are calling Jesus sick at heart.
Check mate, you just blocked your king into a corner and set him up to be removed- (by Michael of course- the same your sect says is the ACTUAL biblical Messiah). ;-)

 

[shimon]

Hmmmmmm.... If Jesus was gods son as you say kjw then he was not a very respectfull son for turning people away from the gd of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.... the term son of gd in hebrew tradition would not be literal like it is taught in pagan tradition like the greeks for example.. So if someone behaved in a righteous fashion they would be considered as a son of gd such as David was and many others like him...Even in your own book it states blessed are the peacemakers for they would be considered sons and daughters of gd... So truthfully anyone could become a son or daughter of gd by doing righteous acts but they were not literally son of gd....The concept of Jesus as gds literally son is both bogus and repugnant to say the least and is an outright lie and fabrication and it is incestous as well and has no basis....Michael would be considered a son of gd just by returning people back on the path of the gd of Abraham Isaac and Jacob and he would be the good son while Jesus if he exsisted would be considered the bad one and in his own words the least in the kingdom for breaking and teaching the breaking of the commandments...

 

[HaShev]

True the only mythology where the son tries to surpass the father and become higher then God is the prophecy of Lucifer who imposters Moshiach and claims to also be a god over God(Ezekiel 28), and the Canaanite mythology of Athtar the Fierce. In the Canaanite mythology for those who don't know, it is known as the dying god mythology whereby the son (morning star) must die to surpass his father baal on the throne.
Jesus claimed tobe the fallen morning star (lucifer) in Rev 22:16 yet this is claiming being the adversary and thief of Michael the rising Evening Star. Proof Jesus is not Michael.
Let's teach them what "son of" meant.

In Hebrew and Aramaic 'son of' is commonly used to mean 'member of the class of'; hence, 'the sons of god' is a regular way of saying 'the gods,' just as 'the sons of men' (commonly translated 'the children of men') is a regular way of saying 'men'." - Morton Smith, Jesus the Magician: Charlatan or Son of God? (1978) p. 133
Traditionally the expression "sons of God" referred to the "Elohim"angelic host (messenger/prophets/reflections of G-d) thus malakhs were called sons of God, and people of Israel were called sons of God, and David a begotten son, and Solomon was called a son of God as well.


Son in Isaiah: Isaiah 7:3 the son Isaiah is refering to is named Shear ‘Yshv’ (proper transliteration (pronounced hashev=return because Y=H sound) Shear ‘Yshv’ means a remnant shall ‘return’ (HaShev). If they claim This son holds the name of Moshiach to bad that name is HaShev and not Jesus. Once again this is mentioned in Isaiah 10:21-22,
So if you swear Isaiah is about the Moshiach then you have the one in front of you that you keep disrespecting or Haifa's Chief Rabbi She'ar-Yashuv Cohen in those verses, but nowhere do you find Jesus.


Hebrews 1:8 says the Son, "Yourthrone, O God, will last for ever and ever, andrighteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.9 You have loved righteousness and hatedwickedness; therefore God, your God, has set youabove your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy."Now since the scrolls 4Q471 XVIIsay the Kingdom is Michael's Kingdom and the bible and people know Michaelas the angel of Righteousness thenHebrews 1:8 is obviously calling Michael the SON.Now to back this up also in chapter one:the son is placed higher then the angels (top Main)=arch.YET Jesus is made lower then angels and Michael in the rest of the book ofHebrews thus the son can't be Jesus and must be Michael.(Heb 2:7,9) You made him a little lower than angels; with glory and honoryou crowned him, and appointed him over the works of your hands. 9 but webehold Jesus, who has been made a little lower than angels,Hebrews 5:6, 5:10, & 6:20 say Jesus is after the Order of Melchizedek(another name for Archangel Michael)Undeniably means Michael is called his son.But wait there's more verses outside Hebrews that reveal this:The Bible calls the angels God's "sons." (Job 1:6)Who is God's main or arch son then?ACCORDING TO TRADITIONS BEFORE THE BABYLONIAN CAPTIVITY1QM v, 1-2) States: "God himself is a supreme agent of salvation and afterhim in importance is Michael."(IQ28b Blessings) V.....20)"The Blessings of the Prince of the Congregation"states he will *establish the Kingdom for his people forever...**(more proof for Hebrews chapter one being about Michael as the son).In JOHN 5:22 "For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto THE SON."Then this verse is calling Michael the son , because Michael is mentioned tobe the Judge in scripture and tradition.

1 John 3:08 clearly describes Michael as the Son who removes the devilotherwise they have to admit they place Jesus in Michael roles as a "thiefin the NIGHT" because Michael was the remover of the devil and his works inGenesis, Ezekiel and Rev.example:Account of the Genesis which Enotes composed, to set against the Genesis ofMoses, when it says [2] that the Devil (diabolos) was cast out ofheaven(future Perfected earth) because of the evil (kakia) which he hadbrought forth and that Michael was set (kathistanai) in his place, that hemight be associated with (synistanai) the just judge (krites), and might bethe ambassador (presbeuein) for all creation; for he is good (agathos).(meaning the Devil was the rule of this world and Michael was sent in hisPlace to cast out the evil he caused.)This means 1 John 3:8 is also calling Michael the Son.which means John 3:16 is about having faith in Michael to bring abouteternal life.

 

[shimon]

A point if I may Michael if the son spoken of in Isaiah is in verse 7 and the word for 7 in hebrew is "sheva" then that brings it even closer ...It is interesting that each one of Isaiah's sons was a "sign" and that each one was a different sign to watch for hence Isaiah 7 :3 as Isaiah had three sons...In order to understand these issues one must study and learn the hebrew otherwise mistaken and errounous beliefs are attached to these simple but straightforward messages of course only in our time could these concepts be shared with others because the knowledge was either repressed on purpose or really bad teachers were teaching nonsense to further their own or sects goals....

 

[Vandalshandle]

 

[HaShev]

Shimon, that also brings us to the fact that JW's themselves teach that Archangel Michael is the one who made a covenant with Hezekiah(Isaiah 9 son born as a sign for King Ahaz).

Hezekiah took his council from his intercessor Archangel Michael as found in the Dead Sea Scrolls through The
Hezekiah Apochryphon (4Q470).
Thus King Hezekiah had G-d's head of council with him-hence the term
'Immanuel'.

 

[kjw47]

See you displaced blame again.
I gave you 3 chances to Teshuva, each time you displaced blame instead and comited various sins baring false testimony, displacing your Baal worship and lying about something you have no knowledge of.
Conclusion: your mixing Michael HaMoshiach with The fallen false messiah Jesus is not making you a true or better person. The fallen star caused you to be like wormwood, bitter and poisonous. Being half on track means nothing if you also are also half off track in an opposite direction. Humanity has enough fence sitters who walk sideways.

Your teachers are sick in the heart, and all who follow them. Jesus is Gods son.

Once again you admited you worship another God.

and worse when you said:"Your teachers are sick in the heart, and all who follow them." this becpmes an admission since Jesus is supposed to be a Jew, a Rabbi, a Moshiach (required to lead us to Torah) then ypur claim those teachers and Torah as" sick in heart" and all who follow them including Jesus then you are calling Jesus sick at heart.
Check mate, you just blocked your king into a corner and set him up to be removed- (by Michael of course- the same your sect says is the ACTUAL biblical Messiah). ;-)

If you knew what the bible taught--Jesus gave the Israelites every opportunity to make the corrections they needed to make--they turned their hearts to hatred instead--they have been cut off of being Gods chosen ones( Matt 23:37-39) until they accept Jesus as the messiah--its been over 1900 years and they still refuse--Jesus started a new religion.
The Israelites from Moses on up until today taught and served a single being God=YHVH(Jehovah)--as does Jesus-John 20:17, Rev 3:12)

 

[kjw47]

True the only mythology where the son tries to surpass the father and become higher then God is the prophecy of Lucifer who imposters Moshiach and claims to also be a god over God(Ezekiel 28), and the Canaanite mythology of Athtar the Fierce. In the Canaanite mythology for those who don't know, it is known as the dying god mythology whereby the son (morning star) must die to surpass his father baal on the throne.
Jesus claimed tobe the fallen morning star (lucifer) in Rev 22:16 yet this is claiming being the adversary and thief of Michael the rising Evening Star. Proof Jesus is not Michael.
Let's teach them what "son of" meant.

In Hebrew and Aramaic 'son of' is commonly used to mean 'member of the class of'; hence, 'the sons of god' is a regular way of saying 'the gods,' just as 'the sons of men' (commonly translated 'the children of men') is a regular way of saying 'men'." - Morton Smith, Jesus the Magician: Charlatan or Son of God? (1978) p. 133
Traditionally the expression "sons of God" referred to the "Elohim"angelic host (messenger/prophets/reflections of G-d) thus malakhs were called sons of God, and people of Israel were called sons of God, and David a begotten son, and Solomon was called a son of God as well.


Son in Isaiah: Isaiah 7:3 the son Isaiah is refering to is named Shear ‘Yshv’ (proper transliteration (pronounced hashev=return because Y=H sound) Shear ‘Yshv’ means a remnant shall ‘return’ (HaShev). If they claim This son holds the name of Moshiach to bad that name is HaShev and not Jesus. Once again this is mentioned in Isaiah 10:21-22,
So if you swear Isaiah is about the Moshiach then you have the one in front of you that you keep disrespecting or Haifa's Chief Rabbi She'ar-Yashuv Cohen in those verses, but nowhere do you find Jesus.


Hebrews 1:8 says the Son, "Yourthrone, O God, will last for ever and ever, andrighteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.9 You have loved righteousness and hatedwickedness; therefore God, your God, has set youabove your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy."Now since the scrolls 4Q471 XVIIsay the Kingdom is Michael's Kingdom and the bible and people know Michaelas the angel of Righteousness thenHebrews 1:8 is obviously calling Michael the SON.Now to back this up also in chapter one:the son is placed higher then the angels (top Main)=arch.YET Jesus is made lower then angels and Michael in the rest of the book ofHebrews thus the son can't be Jesus and must be Michael.(Heb 2:7,9) You made him a little lower than angels; with glory and honoryou crowned him, and appointed him over the works of your hands. 9 but webehold Jesus, who has been made a little lower than angels,Hebrews 5:6, 5:10, & 6:20 say Jesus is after the Order of Melchizedek(another name for Archangel Michael)Undeniably means Michael is called his son.But wait there's more verses outside Hebrews that reveal this:The Bible calls the angels God's "sons." (Job 1:6)Who is God's main or arch son then?ACCORDING TO TRADITIONS BEFORE THE BABYLONIAN CAPTIVITY1QM v, 1-2) States: "God himself is a supreme agent of salvation and afterhim in importance is Michael."(IQ28b Blessings) V.....20)"The Blessings of the Prince of the Congregation"states he will *establish the Kingdom for his people forever...**(more proof for Hebrews chapter one being about Michael as the son).In JOHN 5:22 "For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto THE SON."Then this verse is calling Michael the son , because Michael is mentioned tobe the Judge in scripture and tradition.

1 John 3:08 clearly describes Michael as the Son who removes the devilotherwise they have to admit they place Jesus in Michael roles as a "thiefin the NIGHT" because Michael was the remover of the devil and his works inGenesis, Ezekiel and Rev.example:Account of the Genesis which Enotes composed, to set against the Genesis ofMoses, when it says [2] that the Devil (diabolos) was cast out ofheaven(future Perfected earth) because of the evil (kakia) which he hadbrought forth and that Michael was set (kathistanai) in his place, that hemight be associated with (synistanai) the just judge (krites), and might bethe ambassador (presbeuein) for all creation; for he is good (agathos).(meaning the Devil was the rule of this world and Michael was sent in hisPlace to cast out the evil he caused.)This means 1 John 3:8 is also calling Michael the Son.which means John 3:16 is about having faith in Michael to bring abouteternal life.

Michael is Jesus. Michael is the created spirit being, he came to earth born a mortal and named Jesus.

 

[HaShev]

Your post above this one proves otherwise and if it were true then you'd use the name Michael.
I dare you to use the name then. You won't cause you know you can't figure out why Rev 22:16 proves you wrong. When Dan says Michael rises, he doesn't mean Jim, Joe, or Jesus.
Why have names then if you guys call Saul- Paul, Shimon-Peter, Thadeus- James, Michael-Jesus,
Evening Star-Morning Star, Life-death, Good-Evil,
love-hate, prince of darkness-light,Apollyon the divider-prince of peace, Sept(7) you call the ninth month etc etc.
BIZARRO WORLD!

 

[HaShev]

More evidence:
Christian are anoyed by JW's for placing YHWH higher then Jesus inadvertantly admiting Jesus is not Yhwh,
same premise "SOME" JW's (proven here) have a problem WITH MICHAEL proving Jesus isn't Michael.
JW's get irate that other Christian sects combine YHWh with Jesus then turn around and combine Michael with Jesus and play dumb abput it in hypocracy.
Similar to my pointing out JW's insisting people graciously accept their panthlets that they themselves refuse to return the favor by graciously accepting your book gift. Therefore they are to proud to see their mistakes they like to point out of other sects nor accept truth they can not refute and be that which they wish others would be=humble in front of the voice of the Shiloh.

 

[Vandalshandle]

See you displaced blame again.
I gave you 3 chances to Teshuva, each time you displaced blame instead and comited various sins baring false testimony, displacing your Baal worship and lying about something you have no knowledge of.
Conclusion: your mixing Michael HaMoshiach with The fallen false messiah Jesus is not making you a true or better person. The fallen star caused you to be like wormwood, bitter and poisonous. Being half on track means nothing if you also are also half off track in an opposite direction. Humanity has enough fence sitters who walk sideways.

Your teachers are sick in the heart, and all who follow them. Jesus is Gods son.

Once again you admited you worship another God.

and worse when you said:"Your teachers are sick in the heart, and all who follow them." this becpmes an admission since Jesus is supposed to be a Jew, a Rabbi, a Moshiach (required to lead us to Torah) then ypur claim those teachers and Torah as" sick in heart" and all who follow them including Jesus then you are calling Jesus sick at heart.
Check mate, you just blocked your king into a corner and set him up to be removed- (by Michael of course- the same your sect says is the ACTUAL biblical Messiah). ;-)

If you knew what the bible taught--Jesus gave the Israelites every opportunity to make the corrections they needed to make--they turned their hearts to hatred instead--they have been cut off of being Gods chosen ones( Matt 23:37-39) until they accept Jesus as the messiah--its been over 1900 years and they still refuse--Jesus started a new religion.
The Israelites from Moses on up until today taught and served a single being God=YHVH(Jehovah)--as does Jesus-John 20:17, Rev 3:12)

Jesus didn't start a new religion. He was just trying to purify Judaism. Paul started a new religion.

 

[HaShev]

To be historically correct his image is of many,the one who lead the Hanotzrim was teaching another belief then Judaism, whether that cult is the same as the Nazarenes and first followers of John makes it possible that the other cults also strayed as well depending which accts belong to which christ figures.
Fact: they were teaching luciferous light between the sun and earth as their god which is why the NT has mentions of physical light in parables and why Mandeans a sect of Sabians the surviving followers of John teach the same luciferous commentary and belief.

 

[kjw47]

Your post above this one proves otherwise and if it were true then you'd use the name Michael.
I dare you to use the name then. You won't cause you know you can't figure out why Rev 22:16 proves you wrong. When Dan says Michael rises, he doesn't mean Jim, Joe, or Jesus.
Why have names then if you guys call Saul- Paul, Shimon-Peter, Thadeus- James, Michael-Jesus,
Evening Star-Morning Star, Life-death, Good-Evil,
love-hate, prince of darkness-light,Apollyon the divider-prince of peace, Sept(7) you call the ninth month etc etc.
BIZARRO WORLD!

Rev 6 and 1Thess 4:16--prove Michael is Jesus.

 

[kjw47]

See you displaced blame again.
I gave you 3 chances to Teshuva, each time you displaced blame instead and comited various sins baring false testimony, displacing your Baal worship and lying about something you have no knowledge of.
Conclusion: your mixing Michael HaMoshiach with The fallen false messiah Jesus is not making you a true or better person. The fallen star caused you to be like wormwood, bitter and poisonous. Being half on track means nothing if you also are also half off track in an opposite direction. Humanity has enough fence sitters who walk sideways.

Your teachers are sick in the heart, and all who follow them. Jesus is Gods son.

Once again you admited you worship another God.

and worse when you said:"Your teachers are sick in the heart, and all who follow them." this becpmes an admission since Jesus is supposed to be a Jew, a Rabbi, a Moshiach (required to lead us to Torah) then ypur claim those teachers and Torah as" sick in heart" and all who follow them including Jesus then you are calling Jesus sick at heart.
Check mate, you just blocked your king into a corner and set him up to be removed- (by Michael of course- the same your sect says is the ACTUAL biblical Messiah). ;-)

If you knew what the bible taught--Jesus gave the Israelites every opportunity to make the corrections they needed to make--they turned their hearts to hatred instead--they have been cut off of being Gods chosen ones( Matt 23:37-39) until they accept Jesus as the messiah--its been over 1900 years and they still refuse--Jesus started a new religion.
The Israelites from Moses on up until today taught and served a single being God=YHVH(Jehovah)--as does Jesus-John 20:17, Rev 3:12)

Jesus didn't start a new religion. He was just trying to purify Judaism. Paul started a new religion.

You are mistaken-- yes Jesus tried to purify the Israelite religion, but they rejected him. Jesus trained teachers( apostles) to teach others-truth, and the new covenant--which the Israelite teachers rejected and were cut off( Matt 23:37-39) of being Gods chosen, so the followers of Jesus all stopped being Jewish in a religious sense)
Even the Pharisees called the new religion Jesus started a sect of the Nazarene. ( Acts 24:5)