Jefferson Davis - He should've died in prison. He was responsible for so much death, destruction, misery.

[Mac-7]

Southerners honored the Lost Cause and those politicians who supported.

The rest of the country upchucked for a 100 years.

The more you post the more you make my point for me

 

[jacksonlamb]

The more you post the more you make my point for me

The only point you have is the one shouting that you are wrong.

 

[Mac-7]

The only point you have is the one shouting that you are wrong.

I’m not going to call you stupid because I dont think you are

But you are ignorant

I bet you spent all pf 5 minutes studying history in school

 

[jacksonlamb]

I studied the Civil War closely in high and university.

Jefferson C. Davis was pardoned automatically; iow, he had no say in it.

The rest of the Nation honored all veterans but not the Lost Cause.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Sadly I agree. Imagine how much better it would have been if they were all lined up and shot.

Not really. The entire population of the south would have made the region ungovernable. Unless you mean some kind of regional sterilization.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Not if all southern traitors were deported to Kansas like we did with any other native tribe.


Again ashame. It caused us 100 hundred years of misery.


Agreed. We could have had an industrious South that was the shining beacon of the world. Instead we Mississippi.

The reason why there wasn't an industrious South was the failure of the north to allow industry. The reason for the Civil War was a crushing economy imposed by Northern industry, notably the mills.

 

[jacksonlamb]

Not really. The entire population of the south would have made the region ungovernable. Unless you mean some kind of regional sterilization.

No, the inhabitants would have submitted. Their economy was shattered, so they had much more to do than be bad little rebels.

 

[jacksonlamb]

The reason why there wasn't an industrious South was the failure of the north to allow industry. The reason for the Civil War was a crushing economy imposed by Northern industry, notably the mills.

Not at all.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

No, the inhabitants would have submitted. Their economy was shattered, so they had much more to do than be bad little rebels.

Ohhh sabotage would have been worse than that. After the war the goal was bringing the country together not creating a permanent low level civil war. As it was, Sherman's concept of total war created a hatred of Yankees that lasted well into my lifetime.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

No, the inhabitants would have submitted. Their economy was shattered, so they had much more to do than be bad little rebels.

Yes, that's where the KKK came from.

 

[jacksonlamb]

Ohhh sabotage would have been worse than that. After the war the goal was bringing the country together not creating a permanent low level civil war. As it was, Sherman's concept of total war created a hatred of Yankees that lasted well into my lifetime.

There would have been none of that. State exacting hostages under the Laws of War for federal officials killed, and the rebs would have gone belly up immediately.

 

[jacksonlamb]

Did the Union in the Civil War ever shoot hostages in retaliation for rebels killing federal officials, officers, and troops?

1. Did the Union ever shoot hostages in retaliation?​

Yes. Union policy allowed for the execution of Confederate prisoners or civilian hostages in response to unlawful killings of Union soldiers or officials. This was grounded in the Lieber Code (1863), which explicitly sanctioned retaliation — including execution — when deemed militarily necessary.

Evidence from scholarly sources shows:

• Retaliation was considered a legitimate, if extreme, wartime measure under Article 27 of the Lieber Code, which stated that retaliation was “the sternest feature of war” and could involve punishing innocents to deter enemy atrocities.
• Abraham Lincoln personally signed at least one order authorizing retaliation against Confederate prisoners of war.
• Union generals used retaliation especially in anti‑guerrilla campaigns, where guerrillas killed Union troops or officials and then disappeared into civilian populations. Executing hostages or prisoners was one of the tools available.

While the sources emphasize the authorization and use of such measures, they also note that Union leaders were deeply uncomfortable with them and often sought alternatives.

2. Why did the Union consider retaliation necessary?​

According to historian Lorien Foote, both Union and Confederate authorities feared the war could devolve into uncontrolled barbarism. To prevent escalating cycles of atrocity, each side developed “retaliation rituals” — formalized procedures for responding to violations.

These rituals included:

• Formal letters of inquiry
• Demands for punishment of perpetrators
• Threats of retaliatory executions
• Actual executions when deemed unavoidable

The goal was deterrence, not vengeance.

3. Against whom was retaliation directed?​

Retaliation could target:

• Confederate prisoners of war
• Civilian hostages suspected of aiding guerrillas
• Captured guerrillas, who were often denied POW status

The Union especially used retaliation in regions plagued by guerrilla warfare (Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee), where identifying perpetrators was difficult.

4. How often did the Union actually carry out executions?​

The historical record shows:

• Threats of retaliation were far more common than actual executions.
• Executions did occur, but they were limited, highly scrutinized, and often reversed when the Confederacy complied with demands.
• Lincoln himself hesitated to allow executions of innocents, even when legally justified.

5. Bottom line​

Yes — the Union did at times execute hostages or prisoners in retaliation, especially in response to guerrilla killings of Union troops or officials.But these actions were:

• Legally codified under the Lieber Code
• Used sparingly
• Surrounded by formal procedures
• Considered morally troubling even by those who ordered them

Retaliation was seen as a grim necessity to prevent the war from descending into unrestrained violence.

“Strong Measures, Deemed Indispensable but Harsh at Best”: Retaliation and Guerrilla Warfare​

academic.oup.com/kentucky-scholarship-online/book/33199/chapter-abstract/284848415?redirectedFrom=fulltext&login=false
Burrus M. Carnahan

https://doi.org/10.5810/kentucky/9780813125695.003.0004

Pages

52–76

• Published:
  
  20 January 2010

 

[EvilCat Breath]

There would have been none of that. State exacting hostages under the Laws of War for federal officials killed, and the rebs would have gone belly up immediately.

No. Not immediately. Give them a reason and the fight could go on for a very long time. Northern Ireland is an example.

As it was, I don't think you have a clear idea of how much the North was hated as it was. My grandmother came from a very proud Confederate family. I cut my teeth on the need of the South to kill off the Damn Yankees. You might propose an entire sterilization of the South which would only have dragged in every state that was independent. Possibly Europe as well.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

I studied the Civil War closely in high and university.

Jefferson C. Davis was pardoned automatically; iow, he had no say in it.

The rest of the Nation honored all veterans but not the Lost Cause.

Unless you studied the Civil War in formal education prior to 1960, you got the altered version of those who change history to make themselves feel better,

 

[Dante]

The regression of libs is odd

Immediately after the Civil War and up to the 1980’s Confederates were respected even by social lefties

But the generations that understood what happened have died off and clueless knee-jerks took their place

The war is over

But libs want to keep fighting

Screw Libs. We Democrats want the South to rise again. But with BLACKS!

 

[Dante]

There is no falsehood

Americans who knew them best respected the Confederates

A great scene in cinema is The Funeral of Trooper Smith by director John Ford

Ford was a liberal in every sense of the word but he wasnt hateful the way libs are today

What a goofball post.

 

[Quantrill]

Does not matter what Davis wanted.

He was pardoned operative to law.

You are guilty of not know or refusing to acknowledge the law. Yes, he was pardoned.

What a dumbass. Of course it mattered what Jeff Davis wanted. Jeff Davis refusal of a pardon forced the damnyankees hand. Now they must figure out a way to pardon Davise, who doesn't want a pardon.

Now they must figure out what to do since they already declared they would hang Davis for treason. They declared it to the world, that they would hand Davis from a sour apple tree. But, lo and behold, the military lynch mob didn't have their way. It would be in civilian courts.

Now the damnyankees shit their pants. The damnyankee lawyers shit their pants. Salmon Chase shit his pants. Andrew Johnson shit his pants. In a real court, Davis would be found not guilty. Oh shit!

Thus the guilty damnyankees devised a dog and pony show to set Davis free so that they would not be exposed before the world as guilty of treason and of the deaths and destruction of the War Between The States. They would rather the most hated man in the North go free then their guilt exposed.

Jeff Davis refused their pardon. Jeff Davis took no loyalty oath to the Union. Jeff Davis said 'stick up your ass'. And they took it and devised a plan to 'free them' from guilt. Typical damnyankee bullshit.

Sing along now. 'Glory, glory, hallelujah....glory, glory, hallelujah, glory, glory, hallelujah,....the north's treason marches on.

Quantrill

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Screw Libs. We Democrats want the South to rise again. But with BLACKS!

Many hope so. At 13% of the population, it would be a real short uprising.

 

[jacksonlamb]

No. Not immediately. Give them a reason and the fight could go on for a very long time. Northern Ireland is an example.

As it was, I don't think you have a clear idea of how much the North was hated as it was. My grandmother came from a very proud Confederate family. I cut my teeth on the need of the South to kill off the Damn Yankees. You might propose an entire sterilization of the South which would only have dragged in every state that was independent. Possibly Europe as well.

No, Northern Ireland is no comparison to the South.

You have no idea how much the North hated the South.

The War of Southern Aggression would have put down in a welter of blood if necessary.

 

[jacksonlamb]

Unless you studied the Civil War in formal education prior to 1960, you got the altered version of those who change history to make themselves feel better,

No, you got the false Lost Cause nonsense shit. There was no honor in the South, never was.