Jefferson Davis - He should've died in prison. He was responsible for so much death, destruction, misery.

[Dante]

The Civil War was more about outside interference from European foreigners than slavery. The Euro financiers wanted a fiat currency and tried since the United States started. With a split nation they believed that would be easy to get one of the two nations formed to get their currency. Slavery was being denigrated around the planet. It may have lasted only a decade or so without a war.

I had a friend who was a very accomplished historian - born and raised in Charleston S.S.. He is recognized by the state of South Carolina, having done research for the history of government there. He always told me to never, ever allow an apologist and shouter for the Lost Cause, to claim Slavery was not the main reason for secession. So here we go:

"South Carolina was the first state to secede from the Union, taking the action on December 20, 1860. The state's separation was formally enacted and later explained through two primary documents:

The South Carolina Ordinance of Secession (December 20, 1860): This was the brief, legalistic document drafted and adopted by a state convention in Charleston. It officially repealed the state's ratification of the U.S. Constitution and declared that the union between South Carolina and the United States was dissolved.

The Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina (December 24, 1860): Often referred to as South Carolina's Secession Declaration, this document was drafted four days after the Ordinance. It was published to explain to the world the reasons behind the state's decision, prominently citing the election of Abraham Lincoln and the perceived threat to the institution of slavery."

YOUR BS/BOGUS/ SIMPLETON ARGUMENT - USUALLY REGURGITATED BY LOW INFORMATION/EDUCATION NITWITS LIKE YOU:

The argument that financiers wanted the Civil War to force a shift to fiat currency is historically backward. Wall Street financiers actually favored a hard commodity (gold) standard, as it protected the value of their investments. The Union was forced to issue fiat currency ("greenbacks") because it was on the brink of bankruptcy after traditional banks refused to lend gold at affordable rates. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Union Financing Breakdown:

• Debt / Bonds (~66%): The majority of the war was funded through the sale of war bonds, which required investors to eventually be paid in gold, ensuring profit for the financial class.
• Taxes (~20%): Congress passed the Revenue Act of 1862, instituting the first federal income tax and various excise taxes to build confidence among bondholders.
• Fiat Greenbacks (~14%): The Legal Tender Act of 1862 authorized roughly \(\$150\) million in unbacked paper money out of sheer necessity to pay soldiers and buy immediate supplies, rather than a desire for monetary reform. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Historical Reality vs. The "Fiat" Argument:

• Wall Street's Preference: Financiers and treasury agents like Jay Cooke made massive profits selling government bonds and actually pushed for economic policies that favored the gold standard, fighting against the unchecked printing of paper money.
• The Confederate Collapse: The Confederacy relied heavily on money printing (over \(1.5\) billion in "greybacks") because they lacked the industrial infrastructure and democratic tax authority of the North, leading to devastating hyperinflation

 

[Dante]

Democrats in the North were supporting the South. Abe Lincoln operated just like the King of England did when Washington fought him.

Are you? Because this post by you is just too weird.

 

[Dante]

There were white Democrats in the North who were in favor of the things valued by the Southern Democrats. You use the term conservative knowing very well that was never a political party.

And there people who had previously voted Democratic in the Confederate states who backed the Union.

Please, go back and sit down at the Children's Table.

Wars like the so-called Civil War in America were ideological battles -- therefore Conservatives fighting against the advance of Liberal causes like the so-called American Revolution.

 

[Dante]

How do you explain Jimmy Carter, well known civil rights guy, sweeping the south in 1976?

By it being 1976 and Jimmy running as a "New Democrat."

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note: Wars like the so-called Civil War in America were ideological battles -- therefore Conservatives fighting against the advance of Liberal causes like the so-called American Revolution.

 

[Robert W]

And there people who had previously voted Democratic in the Confederate states who backed the Union.

Please, go back and sit down at the Children's Table.

Wars like the so-called Civil War in America were ideological battles -- therefore Conservatives fighting against the advance of Liberal causes like the so-called American Revolution.

But you invent words to talk about the defense by the South of the same issues faced by General Washington. The south simply did not want to be ruled by a king.

 

[Dante]

But you invent words to talk about the defense by the South of the same issues faced by General Washington. The south simply did not want to be ruled by a king.

That is such a bizarre argument. Where do you get this kinda crap? At re-enactment events, way back in the crowds?

 

[Zincwarrior]

Bragg may have been better than Buell, but I maybe not.

Bragg's behavior literally caused an internal rebellion, including from old warhorse Longstreet.

 

[Robert W]

That is such a bizarre argument. Where do you get this kinda crap? At re-enactment events, way back in the crowds?

Look, rarely will you find me supporting Democrats but when they were invaded by Lincoln, that I can't support on the part of Lincoln.

 

[Robert W]

By it being 1976 and Jimmy running as a "New Democrat."

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It seems that you are a Democrat and why you keep attacking Democrats floors me. While the southern states did secede and say a vital reason was, they needed to preserve their economy, Lincoln declared he did not invade over slaves and he wanted to deport them.

 

[Dante]

It seems that you are a Democrat and why you keep attacking Democrats floors me. While the southern states did secede and say a vital reason was, they needed to preserve their economy, Lincoln declared he did not invade over slaves and he wanted to deport them.

mixed up again

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[Dante]

Like Jan6 criminals, the Southerners got pardons. Criminal pardons.

White Southern Christian Conservatives stayed in power until the mating calls from rightwingers over at the GOP came-a-callin'

May the South Rise Again -- With Blacks in Charge! How do people like that one?

Jefferson Davis was a loser ala Trump. Leading Lost Causes. It's about time we put minorities in charge of running the show.

 

[Dante]

Look, rarely will you find me supporting Democrats but when they were invaded by Lincoln, that I can't support on the part of Lincoln.

It seems that you are a Democrat and why you keep attacking Democrats floors me. While the southern states did secede and say a vital reason was, they needed to preserve their economy, Lincoln declared he did not invade over slaves and he wanted to deport them.

Time to stop feeding you.

bye

 

[Correll]

By it being 1976 and Jimmy running as a "New Democrat."

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But, he was known to be strongly pro-civil rights. And he swept the south.

The southern voters voted a pro-civil rights Dem into the white house.

Jimmy Carter won the Presidency becasue of the SOUTHERN VOTE.

 

[jacksonlamb]

Democrats in the North were supporting the South. Abe Lincoln operated just like the King of England did when Washington fought him.

A few were, not many. Read your history, Robert.

 

[Dante]

But, he was known to be strongly pro-civil rights. And he swept the south.

The southern voters voted a pro-civil rights Dem into the white house.

Jimmy Carter won the Presidency becasue[sic] of the SOUTHERN VOTE.


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Regarding the southern vote, Home Town Boy. What is it you don't get about that?

Lightweight, low-info posters like you - Dante is always holding out hope that when he spanks you, something of his brilliance gets through (not what Ropey seeks).

Jimmy Carter chose
Minnesota
Senator
Walter Mondale
as his vice-presidential running mate in 1976.

• Strategy: As a Southern "outsider" from Georgia, Carter selected the liberal, Washington-insider Mondale to balance the ticket.
• Goal: The choice was designed to secure northern, industrial, and liberal Democratic votes.
• Result: The strategy helped the ticket unite the party base and win key northern states like New York and Pennsylvania, as well as the overall 1976 election

The Campaign and Election of 1976​

Carter's anonymity turned out to give him an advantage in the 1976 election. In response to the twin nightmares of Vietnam and Watergate that had shattered public confidence in government, Americans gravitated toward leaders who were outside the Washington sphere. Answering the nation's need, Carter's slogan was "A Leader, For A Change."

Nine other Democrats were seeking the nomination in 1976, most of them better known than Carter. But he approached the race like so many challenges before—with energy and determination. Portraying himself as an outsider who could "clean up the mess in Washington," Carter simply outhustled his competition.

 

[Dante]

A few were, not many. Read your history, Robert.

Do not put him in such danger. His brain would explode if he followed your advice.

 

[Robert W]

A few were, not many. Read your history, Robert.

If you knew how much I studied this, including going to the battle fields, reading those histories, you would ask me for advice.

 

[jacksonlamb]

It seems that you are a Democrat and why you keep attacking Democrats floors me. While the southern states did secede and say a vital reason was, they needed to preserve their economy, Lincoln declared he did not invade over slaves and he wanted to deport them.

He said he considered that and obviously changed his mind.

 

[jacksonlamb]

If you knew how much I studied this, including going to the battle fields, reading those histories, you would ask me for advice.

If you did all that, then your mind handles facts and logic much differently than most literate, educated minds.

 

[Dante]

If you knew how much I studied this, including going to the battle fields, reading those histories, you would ask me for advice.

Do you even know how many are as stupid you are, even having all of that you claim?