Jeb Bush In 1995: Unwed Mothers Should Be Publicly Shamed

[Brain357]

I don't think anyone should be "shamed." sometimes people have to make the most out of a bad situation, and there's no reason to shame them for that.

still, i cringe when i hear people wearing being a single parent as a badge of honor.

what's jeb's quote should tell us, more than anything, was that he was looking to ride the "moral-majority" and "family values" tide at the time.

Why shouldn't being a single parent be a badge of honor?
You stuck by your parental responsibilities....the other person didn't
You have twice the responsibilities of a married couple

I think a child should have both parents. You really drop the ball for the kid by getting pregnant without being in a stable relationship.

You have no control over what the other parent does or how he behaves after you get pregnant

That is no reason for you to be shamed

if you get married first there is a good chance he's going to stick around. The woman has control over that.

 

[Katzndogz]

If liberals didn't support public shaming why do they practice fat shaming, water shaming, all the other shamings. Shaming, which is making an example of a person behaving inappropriately, works.

 

[rightwinger]

I don't think anyone should be "shamed." sometimes people have to make the most out of a bad situation, and there's no reason to shame them for that.

still, i cringe when i hear people wearing being a single parent as a badge of honor.

what's jeb's quote should tell us, more than anything, was that he was looking to ride the "moral-majority" and "family values" tide at the time.

Why shouldn't being a single parent be a badge of honor?
You stuck by your parental responsibilities....the other person didn't
You have twice the responsibilities of a married couple

I think a child should have both parents. You really drop the ball for the kid by getting pregnant without being in a stable relationship.

You have no control over what the other parent does or how he behaves after you get pregnant

That is no reason for you to be shamed

if you get married first there is a good chance he's going to stick around. The woman has control over that.

What if you were married and the asshole bugged out?
Are you shaming her for not being married or having the gall to have sex?

 

[Brain357]

I don't think anyone should be "shamed." sometimes people have to make the most out of a bad situation, and there's no reason to shame them for that.

still, i cringe when i hear people wearing being a single parent as a badge of honor.

what's jeb's quote should tell us, more than anything, was that he was looking to ride the "moral-majority" and "family values" tide at the time.

Why shouldn't being a single parent be a badge of honor?
You stuck by your parental responsibilities....the other person didn't
You have twice the responsibilities of a married couple

I think a child should have both parents. You really drop the ball for the kid by getting pregnant without being in a stable relationship.

You have no control over what the other parent does or how he behaves after you get pregnant

That is no reason for you to be shamed

if you get married first there is a good chance he's going to stick around. The woman has control over that.

What if you were married and the asshole bugged out?
Are you shaming her for not being married or having the gall to have sex?

Clearly the guy deserves more shaming than the woman. I wouldn't shame a divorced woman.

 

[ogibillm]

I don't think anyone should be "shamed." sometimes people have to make the most out of a bad situation, and there's no reason to shame them for that.

still, i cringe when i hear people wearing being a single parent as a badge of honor.

what's jeb's quote should tell us, more than anything, was that he was looking to ride the "moral-majority" and "family values" tide at the time.

Why shouldn't being a single parent be a badge of honor?
You stuck by your parental responsibilities....the other person didn't
You have twice the responsibilities of a married couple

that's not always the case.

and i'm not going to celebrate someone because they made a poor choice in mate selection. i might be sympathetic, but their situation is still a consequence of their choices.

 

[g5000]

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Sounds like somebody is worried Jeb is getting traction.

 

[ogibillm]

Why shouldn't being a single parent be a badge of honor?
You stuck by your parental responsibilities....the other person didn't
You have twice the responsibilities of a married couple

I think a child should have both parents. You really drop the ball for the kid by getting pregnant without being in a stable relationship.

You have no control over what the other parent does or how he behaves after you get pregnant

That is no reason for you to be shamed

if you get married first there is a good chance he's going to stick around. The woman has control over that.

What if you were married and the asshole bugged out?
Are you shaming her for not being married or having the gall to have sex?

Clearly the guy deserves more shaming than the woman. I wouldn't shame a divorced woman.

sometimes things don't work out. but just because a divorced woman has her kids i don't automatically sympathize. marriages are too complex to pretend that means she's somehow a 'victim' in that scenario.

 

[rightwinger]

I don't think anyone should be "shamed." sometimes people have to make the most out of a bad situation, and there's no reason to shame them for that.

still, i cringe when i hear people wearing being a single parent as a badge of honor.

what's jeb's quote should tell us, more than anything, was that he was looking to ride the "moral-majority" and "family values" tide at the time.

Why shouldn't being a single parent be a badge of honor?
You stuck by your parental responsibilities....the other person didn't
You have twice the responsibilities of a married couple

that's not always the case.

and i'm not going to celebrate someone because they made a poor choice in mate selection. i might be sympathetic, but their situation is still a consequence of their choices.

I say shame the mate who is not upholding his parental responsibilities

Not the woman who was left with the kid and the bills and is doing her best to support her family

 

[Camp]

Why are conservatives attacking Bristol.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Conservatives support the Hastert form of birth control...

...take up wrestling.

 

[jknowgood]

Is that how they kept Clinton's whores in the Whitehouse? Maybe Kennedy's?

 

[jknowgood]

I don't think anyone should be "shamed." sometimes people have to make the most out of a bad situation, and there's no reason to shame them for that.

still, i cringe when i hear people wearing being a single parent as a badge of honor.

what's jeb's quote should tell us, more than anything, was that he was looking to ride the "moral-majority" and "family values" tide at the time.

Why shouldn't being a single parent be a badge of honor?
You stuck by your parental responsibilities....the other person didn't
You have twice the responsibilities of a married couple

I think a child should have both parents. You really drop the ball for the kid by getting pregnant without being in a stable relationship.

You have no control over what the other parent does or how he behaves after you get pregnant

That is no reason for you to be shamed

if you get married first there is a good chance he's going to stick around. The woman has control over that.

What if you were married and the asshole bugged out?
Are you shaming her for not being married or having the gall to have sex?

As a divorced single father, that raised my son on my own. Shouldn't be shamed, or a mother. That supports her kids on her own shouldn't be shamed. The one's out there getting welfare for having kids, and raising kids to be in welfare. Should be shamed. If they were we probably wouldn't have Ferguson or Baltimore. A liberal run hell hole.

 

[Disir]

Public shaming would be an effective way to regulate the “irresponsible behavior” of unwed mothers, misbehaving teenagers and welfare recipients, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (R) argued in his 1995 book Profiles in Character.

In a chapter called "The Restoration of Shame,” the likely 2016 presidential candidate made the case that restoring the art of public humiliation could help prevent pregnancies “out of wedlock.”

One of the reasons more young women are giving birth out of wedlock and more young men are walking away from their paternal obligations is that there is no longer a stigma attached to this behavior, no reason to feel shame. Many of these young women and young men look around and see their friends engaged in the same irresponsible conduct. Their parents and neighbors have become ineffective at attaching some sense of ridicule to this behavior. There was a time when neighbors and communities would frown on out of wedlock births and when public condemnation was enough of a stimulus for one to be careful.​

Bush points to Nathaniel Hawthorne's 1850 novel The Scarlet Letter, in which the main character is forced to wear a large red "A" for "adulterer" on her clothes to punish her for having an extramarital affair that produced a child, as an early model for his worldview. "Infamous shotgun weddings and Nathaniel Hawthorne's Scarlet Letter are reminders that public condemnation of irresponsible sexual behavior has strong historical roots,” Bush wrote.

As governor of Florida in 2001, Bush had the opportunity to test his theory on public shaming. He declined to veto a very controversial bill that required single mothers who did not know the identity of the father to publish their sexual histories in a newspaper before they could legally put their babies up for adoption. He later signed a repeal of the so-called "Scarlet Letter" law in 2003 after it was successfully challenged in court.

Bush's ideas about public shaming extended beyond unwed parents. American schools and the welfare system could use a healthy dose of shame as well. “For many, it is more shameful to work than to take public assistance -- that is how backward shame has become!” he wrote, adding that the juvenile criminal justice system also "seems to be lacking in humiliation," he wrote.

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Gee, maybe Jeb would like to bring back Biblical stoning.

You should have seen how he felt about rehab until his daughter got popped with crack. It sucks that he had to learn it the hard way but sometimes that is what it takes.

 

[Flopper]

I don't think anyone should be "shamed." sometimes people have to make the most out of a bad situation, and there's no reason to shame them for that.

still, i cringe when i hear people wearing being a single parent as a badge of honor.

what's jeb's quote should tell us, more than anything, was that he was looking to ride the "moral-majority" and "family values" tide at the time.

That's certainly true. I'm sure Bush's remarks are aimed at the poor, but the fact is many single women choose to have babies and support them without assistance. There are also a lot of women who become pregnant and choose not to have an abortion.

 

[Brain357]

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Sounds like somebody is worried Jeb is getting traction.

It sure would be funny if he was nominee. As if his brother didn't do enough damage.

 

[Flopper]

Why shouldn't being a single parent be a badge of honor?
You stuck by your parental responsibilities....the other person didn't
You have twice the responsibilities of a married couple

I think a child should have both parents. You really drop the ball for the kid by getting pregnant without being in a stable relationship.

You have no control over what the other parent does or how he behaves after you get pregnant

That is no reason for you to be shamed

if you get married first there is a good chance he's going to stick around. The woman has control over that.

What if you were married and the asshole bugged out?
Are you shaming her for not being married or having the gall to have sex?

As a divorced single father, that raised my son on my own. Shouldn't be shamed, or a mother. That supports her kids on her own shouldn't be shamed. The one's out there getting welfare for having kids, and raising kids to be in welfare. Should be shamed. If they were we probably wouldn't have Ferguson or Baltimore. A liberal run hell hole.

The average monthly welfare payment for a single parent with one child is $350/mo and that typically goes away within 5 years. At 24 hours a day and 7 days a week, I think I would pass on that job.

 

[Care4all]

Conservatives support the Hastert form of birth control...

...take up wrestling.

and just have sex with underage boys who can't get pregnant....

right wing is hush hush on Hastert....can you imagine if he were a Dem with this kind of scandal? Right wing blogs and media would be in a frenzy over it.....but Silence on Hastert....

 

[Lakhota]

Let Jeb keep on defending his actions.

 

[Lakhota]

Shaming unwed mothers isn't what I want in a president.

 

[Redfish]

Don't get excited dems, Jebby will not be the nominee. He is a pussy and a loser.