JD Vance's strained relationship with the truth.

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Vice President JD Vance weighed into the case and falsely said on X Tuesday that Garcia was a "convicted MS-13 gang member." Garcia has no criminal convictions in the U.S. or in El Salvador, his legal team said in the lawsuit.

In a follow-up post on X Tuesday, Vance stood by his comments and called Garcia "an illegal immigrant with no right to be in our country," despite the 2019 protection order against his removal from the U.S.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...trative-error-protected-legal-stat-rcna199010

Could we just pause for a moment to consider the audacious way Vance is approaching this scandal. It's more or less in keeping with the way the regime has approached the Signal chat scandal. Namely, denial of demonstrable facts in evidence.

That said, if the regime has evidence proving what Vance said about Garcia's criminal record it's about time they produced it. Until then, given what the man's attorneys are saying, and the threat of perjuring themselves they are under if their filing is wrong, we should assume JD is lying.

As numb as we have become to all the lies, denials, and counter charges, this one seems significant. The VP has apparently told an overt falsehood in defense of what looks like an egregious violation of Garcia's rights. It shouldn't be commonplace............but it is.

Under normal circumstances this would be a page one story with the opposition party calling for congressional investigations (Repubs have no interest in investigating) if not the outright resignation of the VP. Cuz this is just one aspect of a story involving the admin refusing to comply with numerous court orders regarding other deportees sent to El Salvador. But it's importance is somewhat minimized by the swirl of other controversies. Including the market being on edge about the impending tariff announcement coming tomorrow. Which is no doubt why the regime continues to flood the zone with chaos every day. It leaves little time for anyone to catch their breath. It's past time we breathe deep.
 
Could we just pause for a moment to consider the audacious way Vance is approaching this scandal. It's more or less in keeping with the way the regime has approached the Signal chat scandal. Namely, denial of demonstrable facts in evidence.

This is 98% of politicians.
 
Vice President JD Vance weighed into the case and falsely said on X Tuesday that Garcia was a "convicted MS-13 gang member." Garcia has no criminal convictions in the U.S. or in El Salvador, his legal team said in the lawsuit.

In a follow-up post on X Tuesday, Vance stood by his comments and called Garcia "an illegal immigrant with no right to be in our country," despite the 2019 protection order against his removal from the U.S.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...trative-error-protected-legal-stat-rcna199010

Could we just pause for a moment to consider the audacious way Vance is approaching this scandal. It's more or less in keeping with the way the regime has approached the Signal chat scandal. Namely, denial of demonstrable facts in evidence.

That said, if the regime has evidence proving what Vance said about Garcia's criminal record it's about time they produced it. Until then, given what the man's attorneys are saying, and the threat of perjuring themselves they are under if their filing is wrong, we should assume JD is lying.

As numb as we have become to all the lies, denials, and counter charges, this one seems significant. The VP has apparently told an overt falsehood in defense of what looks like an egregious violation of Garcia's rights. It shouldn't be commonplace............but it is.

Under normal circumstances this would be a page one story with the opposition party calling for congressional investigations (Repubs have no interest in investigating) if not the outright resignation of the VP. Cuz this is just one aspect of a story involving the admin refusing to comply with numerous court orders regarding other deportees sent to El Salvador. But it's importance is somewhat minimized by the swirl of other controversies. Including the market being on edge about the impending tariff announcement coming tomorrow. Which is no doubt why the regime continues to flood the zone with chaos every day. It leaves little time for anyone to catch their breath. It's past time we breathe deep.
The American justice system is all about forcing the innocent to plea bargain!

Congratulations on your political victory that is good for your country!
 
This is why Due Process used to be something American's once supported. Now mistakes and lies Trump due process.
 
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It's being used as a substitute for having the courage to comment in person, and it kills any hopes of rational discussions.

Perhaps the moderator in chief can deal with the problem during the coming shutdown?
 
Vice President JD Vance weighed into the case and falsely said on X Tuesday that Garcia was a "convicted MS-13 gang member." Garcia has no criminal convictions in the U.S. or in El Salvador, his legal team said in the lawsuit.

In a follow-up post on X Tuesday, Vance stood by his comments and called Garcia "an illegal immigrant with no right to be in our country," despite the 2019 protection order against his removal from the U.S.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...trative-error-protected-legal-stat-rcna199010

Could we just pause for a moment to consider the audacious way Vance is approaching this scandal. It's more or less in keeping with the way the regime has approached the Signal chat scandal. Namely, denial of demonstrable facts in evidence.

That said, if the regime has evidence proving what Vance said about Garcia's criminal record it's about time they produced it. Until then, given what the man's attorneys are saying, and the threat of perjuring themselves they are under if their filing is wrong, we should assume JD is lying.

As numb as we have become to all the lies, denials, and counter charges, this one seems significant. The VP has apparently told an overt falsehood in defense of what looks like an egregious violation of Garcia's rights. It shouldn't be commonplace............but it is.

Under normal circumstances this would be a page one story with the opposition party calling for congressional investigations (Repubs have no interest in investigating) if not the outright resignation of the VP. Cuz this is just one aspect of a story involving the admin refusing to comply with numerous court orders regarding other deportees sent to El Salvador. But it's importance is somewhat minimized by the swirl of other controversies. Including the market being on edge about the impending tariff announcement coming tomorrow. Which is no doubt why the regime continues to flood the zone with chaos every day. It leaves little time for anyone to catch their breath. It's past time we breathe deep.
After four damn years of 'the border is closed", "Biden is sharp", "inflation is transitory" and "crime is down", now you fricken idiots want to talk about truth?
 
I can't believe that everything will be sacrificed to Trump's fascist agenda.

Some General will fall on his sword!
Oh, you poor little Chinese stooge. Sucks when your communist party loses their control over our government.
 
Vice President JD Vance weighed into the case and falsely said on X Tuesday that Garcia was a "convicted MS-13 gang member." Garcia has no criminal convictions in the U.S. or in El Salvador, his legal team said in the lawsuit.

In a follow-up post on X Tuesday, Vance stood by his comments and called Garcia "an illegal immigrant with no right to be in our country," despite the 2019 protection order against his removal from the U.S.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...trative-error-protected-legal-stat-rcna199010

Could we just pause for a moment to consider the audacious way Vance is approaching this scandal. It's more or less in keeping with the way the regime has approached the Signal chat scandal. Namely, denial of demonstrable facts in evidence.

That said, if the regime has evidence proving what Vance said about Garcia's criminal record it's about time they produced it. Until then, given what the man's attorneys are saying, and the threat of perjuring themselves they are under if their filing is wrong, we should assume JD is lying.

As numb as we have become to all the lies, denials, and counter charges, this one seems significant. The VP has apparently told an overt falsehood in defense of what looks like an egregious violation of Garcia's rights. It shouldn't be commonplace............but it is.

Under normal circumstances this would be a page one story with the opposition party calling for congressional investigations (Repubs have no interest in investigating) if not the outright resignation of the VP. Cuz this is just one aspect of a story involving the admin refusing to comply with numerous court orders regarding other deportees sent to El Salvador. But it's importance is somewhat minimized by the swirl of other controversies. Including the market being on edge about the impending tariff announcement coming tomorrow. Which is no doubt why the regime continues to flood the zone with chaos every day. It leaves little time for anyone to catch their breath. It's past time we breathe deep.
Berg80's strained relationship with the truth.
 
Berg80's strained relationship with the truth.
If a lawyer makes a statement that is substantively wrong they pay a price.

If they are lying about Garcia having no criminal record they can be disbarred
 
That said, if the regime has evidence proving what Vance said about Garcia's criminal record it's about time they produced it. Until then, given what the man's attorneys are saying, and the threat of perjuring themselves they are under if their filing is wrong, we should assume JD is lying.
Of course we should, Trump as well.

Trump’s lawless campaign against immigrants and immigration has nothing to do with gangs or criminals – it is motivated solely by racism, bigotry, and hate.
 
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