JD Vance's pledge to 'abandon' Ukraine a ‘catastrophic mistake’ | William Hague

[ESay]

We have Ukranian public opinion polling. We know that majority (55%) of Ukranians oppose conceeding territories. We know that concession of terriotories is pretty unpopular (32%).

Zelensky's government clearly has support of the people to continue war effort against the Russian invasion, there is no middleground for any negotiated peace deal with Russia at this time, no feasable deal to have a refferendum on.

Those are the facts. You just don't happen to like them.

I like the fact that fewer and fewer people believe in silly propaganda and a suicidal policy. And more and more people rely on common sense. There is still a way to go, but I expect this trend to continue.

It would be a great boost if your people (not in Russia, I mean) will make a right choice this November and kick this shitty administration out of power.

 

[Litwin]

I can see the truth.

https://www.npr.org/2023/09/06/1197945859/anwr-alaska-drilling-oil-gas-leases-environment-energy-climate-change

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/biden-pauses-approval-new-lng-export-projects-win-climate-activists-2024-01-26/

Keystone XL pipeline halted after Biden blocks permit

The Canadian developer says it will dismantle their equipment and "ensure a safe termination".

www.bbc.com

Biden could not stand the pressure from the radical left. We could win this war LONG TIME AGO, If he has acted like RR.

I hope, K. Harris CAN. Too many European children die everyday.



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have you seen this news ? they are ready to bomb US AND FRANCE ....
The FSB terrorist - spy came to NYC in 2013 and appeared to stay at the Hudson Hotel in Columbus Circle. He ate at Marea, went to Carnegie Hall, took in a Knicks Game. He's also traveled around the world: Switzerland, Czechia and Bulgaria, along with shorter ones in the United Kingdom, China and India.

moscow /putin is planing terror attacks in France, to disrupt the Paris Olympics , FSB painted Stars of David all over Paris to fuel anti-Semitism

as I said BEFORE: ALL " orthodox " Muscovites must be deported from Europe. They are security risk for us. Griaznov's decision to get into the culinary arts reminded us of another late-in-life chef we profiled and whom you may have seen in March on @60Minutes . Vitalii Kovalev, once a...

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[Litwin]

Putin's economy is a shambles.

Contrary to the propaganda, Moscow empire is on the ropes financially and economically and the Moscow -Ukraine War can be won (more quickly than most imagine) in the same manner as the Cold War ... by bankrupting Moscow empire.

1.) Keep Ukraine supplied with arms so that the financial cost of war remains extremely high for Moscow empire;
2.) Enforce sanctions with a vengeance, especially those relating to Moscow empire's PRODUCTION - sale of oil and gas (shut down the Dark Fleet);
3.) Provide Ukraine assistance in its ongoing efforts to destroy Moscow's oil refineries. All armies are limited by the economies that underlie them and all wars are attritional in nature. So, attrit, attrit, attrit.

Putin has authorized stealing USA technologies in the production of weapons. I Moscow empire is lying about its economic strength

'Breaking up Moscow empire is the only way to end its imperialism', And I don’t mean Putin´s imperialism, but Moscow imperialism in general , from Solzhenitsyn and Brodsky to Yeltsin and Dugin. you're provoking the proverbial bear.

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[AntonToo]

I like the fact that fewer and fewer people believe in silly propaganda and a suicidal policy. And more and more people rely on common sense. There is still a way to go, but I expect this trend to continue.

Your expectancy is just a wishful fantasy, like most of what you've posted in this thread.

You can't reasonably articulate what possible peace agreement there could be with Putin at this point, you just baselessly wish there could be one and blaming politicians you don't happen to like for being unable to marry up your fantasies to reality.

 

[Litwin]

what possible peace agreement there could be with Putin at this point, you just baselessly wish there could be one.

YES, Moscow has openly declared (many times) that It´ll be no peace (they are interesting in our capitulation only ) with decadent - gayish West .

Ukraine tells China that Russia is not ready for ‘good faith’ talks

Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba visited Guangzhou, China to discuss bilateral relations.

www.aljazeera.com

DECOLONIZATION IS THE ONLY ONE WAY to go:

The Origins of Moscow Colonialism: From Pushkin to Putin by Prof. Dr. Ewa Thompson​

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Obama is probably telling Zelen$ky to cash his chips in and flee for safety

The people who removed, and will probably eliminate Biden soon, need peace in Ukraine.

They made their bloody fortunes, time to move to the next game

 

[Jarlaxle]

so you are saying that appeasement (of the bully ) will work this time ?


(stupid memes removed)

No. I am saying it's long past time to simply walk away. Not our problem, figure it out yourselves. You're so enthusiastic about Ukraine, head on over there and sign up to fight.

No, I'm saying that it's not our problem. None of this would have happened if the US hadn't overthrown the democratically elected president of Ukraine and replaced him with a Western puppet.

That, too.

 

[ESay]

Your expectancy is just a wishful fantasy, like most of what you've posted in this thread.

You can't reasonably articulate what possible peace agreement there could be with Putin at this point, you just baselessly wish there could be one and blaming politicians you don't happen to like for being unable to marry up your fantasies to reality.

I can't reasonable articulate a possible peace agreement with Russia, because I don't know what it would look like. I think it more or less will resemble the Istanbul Accords, with territorial concessions to Russia.

In what I am sure is that Ukraine sooner or later will have to come to signing this deal. And in what I am sure also is that this deal will be quite bad for Ukraine. It may happen tomorrow, or in a year, or 2 or 3 years. It is inevitable, the only thing that can change is a number of Ukrainians dead and cities destroyed.

 

[AntonToo]

I can't reasonable articulate a possible peace agreement with Russia, because I don't know what it would look like. I think it more or less will resemble the Istanbul Accords, with territorial concessions to Russia.

In what I am sure is that Ukraine sooner or later will have to come to signing this deal. And in what I am sure also is that this deal will be quite bad for Ukraine. It may happen tomorrow, or in a year, or 2 or 3 years. It is inevitable, the only thing that can change is a number of Ukrainians dead and cities destroyed.

Istambul Accord terms were unacceptable to Ukraine.

There is nothing to suggest that current terms are at all acceptable either.

Russian economy can't keep up the invasion effort and sanctions, so your statement that "I am sure also is that this deal will be quite bad for Ukraine" is baseless. With each passing day Russian economy bleeds out and gets distorted more and more while it's millitary capacity reserves are emptying. Nobody knows exactly where the breaking point will be, but by all reason it's coming sooner or later.

Russia’s vast stocks of Soviet-era weaponry are running out

It may have to scale back its offensive in Ukraine

www.economist.com

The Clock Is Ticking: Russia Has A One-Year Reserve Of Weapons

As Russia’s wider war on Ukraine grinds into its third year, three main dynamics are shaping the battlefield.

www.forbes.com

 

[ESay]

Istambul Accord terms were unacceptable to Ukraine.

There is nothing to suggest that current terms are at all acceptable either.

Russian economy can't keep up the invasion effort and sanctions, so your statement that "I am sure also is that this deal will be quite bad for Ukraine" is baseless. With each passing day Russian economy bleeds out and gets distorted more and more while it's millitary capacity reserves are emptying. Nobody knows exactly where the breaking point will be, but by all reason it's coming sooner or later.

Russia’s vast stocks of Soviet-era weaponry are running out

It may have to scale back its offensive in Ukraine

www.economist.com

The Clock Is Ticking: Russia Has A One-Year Reserve Of Weapons

As Russia’s wider war on Ukraine grinds into its third year, three main dynamics are shaping the battlefield.

www.forbes.com

Yeah, I keep hearing this for 2.5 years already. They have trade surplus, 8% inflation, budget deficit well under 3%, and ever growing GDP based on PPP. Their economy is in tatters, without a doubt.

They are running out of weaponry stocks since May 2022.

 

[LeroyDumonde]

Yeah, I keep hearing this for 2.5 years already. They have trade surplus, 8% inflation, budget deficit well under 3%, and ever growing GDP based on PPP. Their economy is in tatters, without a doubt.

They are running out of weaponry stocks since May 2022.

Back in 2022 the media was saying that Putin is at death's door, the Russian military was about to collapse, and there would be a coup any minute. Liberals must think that our brains are as mushy as theirs.

 

[ESay]

Back in 2022 the media was saying that Putin is at death's door, the Russian military was about to collapse, and there would be a coup any minute. Liberals must think that our brains are as mushy as theirs.

They were ready to vote for Biden despite obvious issues with his mental health, obviously believing their own eyes and ears are lying to them. So why should anyone be surprised? If their party says something it must be true.

 

[Litwin]

No. I am saying it's long past time to simply walk away. Not our problem, figure it out yourselves. You're so enthusiastic about Ukraine, head on over there and sign up to fight.

Not all Republicans support Putin and his unprovoked genocidal invasion of Ukraine. In fact, most don’t. Here’s one example. Support for Ukraine in its existential conflict with the HORDE actually has significant bipartisan support — as it should.


The United States must achieve Ukraine's return to the 1991 borders, as well as fulfill Kyiv's demand and accept it into NATO.

Three in four Americans say U.S. should support Ukraine despite MOSCOW threats, Reuters/Ipsos poll shows

TERRIBLE NEWS FOR POOTLER´S CUCKOLDS ! God Bless American nation! Long Live the USA, Long Live THE LIBERAL ORDER ! DEATH TO THE DESPOTIC , BARBARIC , ORIENTAL IMPERIALISM ! https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/three-four-americans-say-us-should-support-ukraine-despite-russian-threats-2022-10-05/

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[Litwin]

Back in 2022 the media was saying that Putin is at death's door, the Russian military was about to collapse, and there would be a coup any minute. Liberals must think that our brains are as mushy as theirs.

A clear signal that Moscow empire cannot afford to pay. Without western tech, Moscow empire would have little more than obsolete WW2 tanks, bullets, and artillery.

Putin has authorized stealing USA technologies in the production of weapons. I Moscow empire is lying about its economic strength

'Breaking up Moscow empire is the only way to end its imperialism', And I don’t mean Putin´s imperialism, but Moscow imperialism in general , from Solzhenitsyn and Brodsky to Yeltsin and Dugin. you're provoking the proverbial bear.

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[Litwin]

Russian economy can't keep up the invasion effort and sanctions, so your statement that "I am sure also is that this deal will be quite bad for Ukraine" is baseless. With each passing day Russian economy bleeds out and gets distorted more and more while it's millitary capacity reserves are emptying. Nobody knows exactly where the breaking point will be, but by all reason it's coming sooner or later.

Russia’s vast stocks of Soviet-era weaponry are running out

It may have to scale back its offensive in Ukraine

www.economist.com

The Clock Is Ticking: Russia Has A One-Year Reserve Of Weapons

As Russia’s wider war on Ukraine grinds into its third year, three main dynamics are shaping the battlefield.

www.forbes.com

+1, gas - coal industries are crashed already , oil- petroleum is falling down as well

Slovakia and Hungary stopped receiving Muscovite oil through the Druzhba pipeline due to the transit ban imposed by Ukraine I 12 🇷🇺 WERE KILLED in

12 🇷🇺 WERE KILLED in in Mariupol. GREAT NEWS FOR EU&USA ! Has Ukraine stopped the flow of oil to Slovakia and Hungary? Yes. Will Hungary and Slovakia suffer? Yes. Will Slovakia and Hungary charge their tune about Ukraine? Maybe. Am i enjoying this? Yes. 🙃 :thup: Now send some 🇺🇦oranges...

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[Litwin]

I can't reasonable articulate a possible peace agreement with Russia, because I don't know what it would look like. I think it more or less will resemble the Istanbul Accords, with territorial concessions to Russia.

In what I am sure is that Ukraine sooner or later will have to come to signing this deal. And in what I am sure also is that this deal will be quite bad for Ukraine. It may happen tomorrow, or in a year, or 2 or 3 years. It is inevitable, the only thing that can change is a number of Ukrainians dead and cities destroyed.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Not all Republicans support Putin and his unprovoked genocidal invasion of Ukraine. In fact, most don’t. Here’s one example. Support for Ukraine in its existential conflict with the HORDE actually has significant bipartisan support — as it should.


The United States must achieve Ukraine's return to the 1991 borders, as well as fulfill Kyiv's demand and accept it into NATO.

Three in four Americans say U.S. should support Ukraine despite MOSCOW threats, Reuters/Ipsos poll shows

TERRIBLE NEWS FOR POOTLER´S CUCKOLDS ! God Bless American nation! Long Live the USA, Long Live THE LIBERAL ORDER ! DEATH TO THE DESPOTIC , BARBARIC , ORIENTAL IMPERIALISM ! https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/three-four-americans-say-us-should-support-ukraine-despite-russian-threats-2022-10-05/

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[sparky]

read this :

Countering disinformation with facts - Russian invasion of Ukraine

The Kremlin has long spread disinformation and propaganda to achieve its objectives. It continues to disseminate lies to justify its illegal, unprovoked, unjustifiable invasion of Ukraine. Below, you will find a sample of the many lies by the Russian regime about its invasion of Ukraine, along...

www.international.gc.ca

Those are your facts Lit

~S~

 

[Litwin]

Those are your facts Lit

~S~

not just main, but yours as well

GEC Special Report: Russia's Pillars of Disinformation and ...​

U.S. Department of State (.gov)
https://www.state.gov › russias-pillars-of-disinformation...





The report outlines the five pillars of Russia's disinformation and propaganda ecosystem and how these pillars work together to create a media multiplier effect ...

 

[sparky]

Try harder Lit

~S~