JD Vance's pledge to 'abandon' Ukraine a ‘catastrophic mistake’ | William Hague

[AntonToo]

1. What you support is a lasting war of attrition where Ukraine can't win. No matter how you try to justify that by silly nonsense your head is full of.

2. I want to preserve a Ukrainian state in any meaningful form until it is too late.

3. Draft dodger. Nah, Yuri, you missed once again.

4. I would gladly get lost had your shitty administration not fueled this senseless war.

 

[JustAGuy1]

The far-left&right RADICALS are two sides of the same coin. Putin never escalates when we help Ukraine. He escalates when we don't help enough....
Europe, Taiwan AND FREE WORLD should not count on USA if this is true...
'Breaking up Moscow empire is the only way to end its imperialism', And I don’t mean Putin´s imperialism, but Moscow imperialism in general , from Solzhenitsyn and Brodsky to Yeltsin and Dugin.

Obama should have never let Zelensky start bombing those Eastern Oblasts.

 

[Litwin]

Ukraine is done. Ukraine is an offshoot of America trying to take down Russia.

2 mUSCOIVTE propaganda myths .

the reality :

Ex-Nato chief says ‘take the gloves off' with Putin​

Ex-Nato chief says ‘take the gloves off' with Putin

yes, Putin never escalates when we help Ukraine. 🇷🇺 🇸🇦 He escalates when we don't help enough. Moscow horde´s war record :- 1856 defeated by Britain and France 1905 defeated by Japan 1917 defeated by Germany 1920 defeated by Poland, Finland, Estonia and all Baltic states 1939 defeated by...

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[Litwin]

Obama should have never let Zelensky start bombing those Eastern Oblasts.

its a RT.ru propaganda myth

the reality :

 

[JustAGuy1]

its a RT.ru propaganda myth

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You are an idiot and a liar.

 

[Litwin]

You are an idiot and a liar.

no, you are putin´s dickpolisher and moron who prmote here RT propaganda and myths

‘Revenge for the Children of the Donbas’. How Russia Justifies Deportation and Other War Crimes in Ukraine - Reanimation package of reforms

The Detector Media study was conducted by Ira Riaboshtan, Oleksiy Pivtorak, and Olha Bilousenko Detector Media routinely analyses Russian disinformation in the Ukrainian and Russian segments of social media. During this time, we, like other researchers of Russian propaganda, have determined that...

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From ‘Children of the Donbas’ to the ‘Cursed West’: How Russian Propaganda Exploits Children From the Occupied Territories of Ukraine

Russian propaganda exploits children from the occupied territories, using them as a justification for the aggression against Ukraine. We explain how the Russian propaganda machine devised the information background it used to justify its war crimes.

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The fighting continued, the civilians were dying, children as well as adults. OSCE statistics (2017-2020) showed that the number of civilian deaths in the occupied territories was almost twice as high as in the unoccupied territories. Another independent report from the International Crisis Group gives the following explanation: “The higher civilian casualty rate in non-government-controlled areas is due to the fact that these places are more urban and populous[…] Together, the numbers suggest that neither side is trying to hit civilians but also that combatants are not doing all they can to avoid collateral damage.”


The death of the children should be addressed separately. “Why were you silent for eight years while children were killed in Donbas?” sounds as if Ukrainian army is shelling children. But OSCE suggest other causes of death: 87% of boys died because of being careless with explosives. In this context, the International Crisis Group also recalls Russian propaganda, for example, when “they announced that a Ukrainian drone strike had killed a five-year-old boy in a Donetsk suburb. In fact, the boy had died some 15km from the front, out of the Ukrainian drones’ range, possibly by setting off an unexploded shell he found in his yard.”


According to the OSCE, mines and other unexploded armaments are the second most common cause of civilian casualties in Donbas after shelling with heavy weapons. The international crisis group criticizes Russian militants in this context: “Meanwhile, de facto officials tend to be unwilling to admit that shooting from positions in areas like the Donetsk suburbs can provoke return fire and lead to civilian deaths. They have baulked at suggestions that they move their troops to keep locals out of the line of fire.” The shelling from residential areas of the occupied territories was also reported by Bellingcat. On the other hand, the International Crisis Group blames Ukraine as well: “Public figures in government-controlled Ukraine sometimes overlook or minimise the problem of civilian casualties from live fire. Losses among civilians frequently do not make it into Ukrainian news reports, partly due to journalists’ lack of access to reliable sources in areas across the line; media tends to focus on the heroism of government troops.” It is possibly the only argument in favor of “eight years of silence” claim.

 

[ESay]

 

[ekrem]

Yes, they are sponsoring Russian war effort by buying its goods and thus helping to weather sanctions. Russian GDP shows growth, trade balance has surplus, and budget deficit is well below 3%.

There's some UN decision to stop all trade with Russia? No. Just EU, G7, individual nation decisions on sanctions.

No G20, no NATO, no UN decision to sanction Russia.

 

[ESay]

There's some UN decision to stop all trade with Russia? No. Just EU, G7, individual nation decisions on sanctions.

No G20, no NATO, no UN decision to sanction Russia.

Yes, I know. My post was not to blame those countries. They just caught the opportunities. My post was aimed to show how silly claims of Russia's isolation were.

 

[ESay]

Here for you Yurez some fresh polls. Not sure you can get it right

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[AntonToo]

Here for you Yurez some fresh polls. Not sure you can get it right

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55% украинцев против территориальных уступок​

Translation for others: 55% of Ukrainians are against territorial concessions

And only 32% for any territorial concessions to Russia.

So what you are posting here is not generally supported by Ukranians. Can you get it right?

 

[ESay]

55% украинцев против территориальных уступок​

Translation for others: 55% of Ukrainians are against territorial concessions

And only 32% for any territorial concessions to Russia.

So what you are posting here is not generally supported by Ukranians. Can you get it right?

Yeah, how I supposed above, you couldn't get it right. The dynamic is great, isn't it? The number of people ready for the concessions has tripled over the last year. And already only a slightly over a half aren't ready.

 

[AntonToo]

Yeah, how I supposed above, you couldn't get it right. The dynamic is great, isn't it? The number of people ready for the concessions has tripled over the last year. And already only a slightly over a half aren't ready.

That is seriously dumb of you, "more" in no way means majority.

Your opinions remain in MINORITY, even if they got less fringy now.

It's still generally true that Ukranian people don't want to conceed any territory to Russia.

 

[d0gbreath]

**** Ukraine.
**** Israel.
**** every country getting the fruits of my labor.

You left out USA. All of your fruits go to them first.

 

[ESay]

That is seriously dumb of you, "more" in no way means majority.

Your opinions remain in MINORITY, even if they got less fringy now.

It's still generally true that Ukranian people don't want to conceed any territory to Russia.

What my opinions are will be shown only by a referendum which Zelensky will have to hold one way or another. But it is quite telling that only roughly a half population still believes state propaganda about 'a cup of coffee in Crimea', and the state propaganda admits that.

 

[AntonToo]

What my opinions are will be shown only by a referendum

wtf? We don't need refendum to know what your opinions are.

Public polling YOU YOURSELF PRESENTED obviously does reflect views of Ukranians that is far more objective that your baseless say-so.

 

[ESay]

wtf? We don't need refendum to know what your opinions are.

Public polling YOU YOURSELF PRESENTED obviously does reflect views of Ukranians that is far more objective that your baseless say-so.

Who is we? You and your socks? Only a referendum, or open elections.

What the poll shows is that the number of people who are against territorial concessions is at the lowest level since the war started.

 

[AntonToo]

Who is we? You and your socks? Only a referendum, or open elections.

EVERYONE INCLUDING YOU does not need a referendum to know what YOUR OPINION is.

You are posting incoherent nonsense.

 

[AntonToo]

What the poll shows is that the number of people who are against territorial concessions is at the lowest level since the war started.

You could have said exactly same half-true bullshit about even 90% of people being against concessions, if it happened to be 95% previously.

Why do you speak in half-truths? Because you can't admit the fact that generally Ukranians oppose territorial concessions (55% to 32%)

 

[ESay]

EVERYONE INCLUDING YOU does not need a referendum to know what YOUR OPINION is.

You are posting incoherent nonsense.

Say what? What does this word salad mean? A referendum is needed to know a public opinion on some vital issues. Or open elections with candidates from different political spectrum.