Japan before Pearl Harbor

[Zincwarrior]

Why does history not mention that FDR wanted war so placed the ships closer to Japan?

Because he didn't. Your argument is not logical.

However, this was investigated and the book Day of Deceit was published. Read it. It is historically accurate.

I just...wow. Stepping away from this one. I can't handle dancing with crazy on a Friday.

 

[Robert W]

Because he didn't. Your argument is not logical.


I just...wow. Stepping away from this one. I can't handle dancing with crazy on a Friday.

If Trump did precisely the same thing, how would defend him?

FDR wanted in the war. FDR armed England and Russia. Essentially for free. War at the time was the trademark of Democrats.

 

[Robert W]

A daft and insane statement.
1. FDR wanted to fight Germany not Japan.
2. No one thought they could get that far, and that their torpedoes would work in shallow harbor.
3. Even the Japanese did not think they could do it until they started planning for it.
4. Hawaii had the largest formations of USAAC combat aircraft, well anywhere.
5. If he wanted to "start a war" with Japan they did not need to risk the entire Pacific Fleet.
Its no a coherent argument.

Why did Japan of all countries pick Pearl Harbor?

 

[Zincwarrior]

Why did Japan of all countries pick Pearl Harbor?

They picked:
-Pearl Harbor
-the Phillipines
-Guam
-Wake Island
-Malaysia
-Parts of Thailand
-Malaya
-Singapore
-Parts of Myanmar (Burma)
-Borneo
-Brunai
-Sumatra
-Java
-Carolinas
-Marianas
-Marshalls
-New Guinea
-Solomons

In addition to the US they attacked the United Kingdom, Australia, Belgium, and the Commonwealth of the Philippines.
They sank two British Battleships on December 10 and a whole host of smaller allied cruisers and destroyers from December through January, and rampaged through the Indian Ocean.

 

[Robert W]

They picked:
-Pearl Harbor
-the Phillipines
-Guam
-Wake Island
-Malaysia
-Parts of Thailand
-Malaya
-Singapore
-Parts of Myanmar (Burma)
-Borneo
-Brunai
-Sumatra
-Java
-Carolinas
-Marianas
-Marshalls
-New Guinea
-Solomons

In addition to the US they attacked the United Kingdom, Australia, Belgium, and the Commonwealth of the Philippines.
They sank two British Battleships on December 10 and a whole host of smaller allied cruisers and destroyers from December through January, and rampaged through the Indian Ocean.

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What I ask you, and show your historical sources this time, why earlier Japan attacked Pearl Harbor. What was there that they believed had to be attacked? Why were ships helpless in the harbor from Jap attacks given they were placed there prior by FDR orders? I told you why. FDR wanted to provoke Japan using
Lt. Commander McCollum's plans.

From the WWW.
On October 7, 1940, the Director of the Far East Section of the Office of Naval Intelligence, Lt. Cmdr. Arthur McCollum, sent an infamous memo up his chain of command that seems to recommend the United States provoke Japan into attacking US forces, thus allowing the US an excuse

The McCollum Memo: The Smoking Gun of Pearl Harbor

Over 100 megs of official records and photos detailing government lies to We The People, this website started as a subpage of a website designed to promote my film career.

whatreallyhappened.com

 

[AZrailwhale]

Why did FDR yank the ships out of harbors in the USA to have them at
Pearl Harbor? You can't know why but Day of Deceit explains all of it. FDR was eager to be in WW2.

He moved them from San Diego to Pearl Harbor so they could more easily be used in wartime and as a threat to the Japanese to prevent them from attacking the Philippines. FDR wanted to fight GERMANY to keep the UK in the war, Japan was a nuisance that public opinion required him to deter with economic sanctions. FDR didn't want war with Japan, everyone thought the Japanese would buckle under to the "superior" white man and follow orders. No one, not the British, not the French, not the Dutch especially not the Americans expected the Japanese to attack whites who were clearly superior in all ways (at least that was the thinking on December 6th, 1941.

 

[AZrailwhale]

What I ask you, and show your historical sources this time, why earlier Japan attacked Pearl Harbor. What was there that they believed had to be attacked? Why were ships helpless in the harbor from Jap attacks given they were placed there prior by FDR orders? I told you why. FDR wanted to provoke Japan using
Lt. Commander McCollum's plans.

From the WWW.
On October 7, 1940, the Director of the Far East Section of the Office of Naval Intelligence, Lt. Cmdr. Arthur McCollum, sent an infamous memo up his chain of command that seems to recommend the United States provoke Japan into attacking US forces, thus allowing the US an excuse

The McCollum Memo: The Smoking Gun of Pearl Harbor

Over 100 megs of official records and photos detailing government lies to We The People, this website started as a subpage of a website designed to promote my film career.

whatreallyhappened.com

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You might notice that that memo was classified "CONFIDENTIAL" which was the lowest level of classification. It is the second level toady with "NOFORN" being the lowest.
The author was a O-4 when he wrote that memo in 1940, that's lower middle-management in the military. It's unlikely that anyone higher than his commanding officer who was likely a O-5 Commander ever saw that memo. He spent the rest of the war working for MacArthur who wasn't known for the quality of his intelligence officers. They were sycophants who produced reports saying what Mac wanted to hear.

If you read it, you will see that NONE of his recommendations were followed.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Why did Japan of all countries pick Pearl Harbor?

Because the USN was the only navy that could threaten Japan's plans to create a colonial empire in the Western Pacific.

 

[sparky]

So much of what i would coin an underlying economic motivation reading you all here....~S~

 

[Robert W]

Because the USN was the only navy that could threaten Japan's plans to create a colonial empire in the Western Pacific.

Lt. Commander McCullom laid out moving ships to Hawaii to provoke the Japanese, so FDR ordered it done.

 

[Robert W]

Because the USN was the only navy that could threaten Japan's plans to create a colonial empire in the Western Pacific.

Did you read Lt. Cullom's plan that FDR followed? I posted from his report to HQ from Japan where he was the top naval officer over intelligence in Japan.

 

[sparky]

wasn't this all declassified ?? ~S~

 

[Robert W]

You might notice that that memo was classified "CONFIDENTIAL" which was the lowest level of classification. It is the second level toady with "NOFORN" being the lowest.
The author was a O-4 when he wrote that memo in 1940, that's lower middle-management in the military. It's unlikely that anyone higher than his commanding officer who was likely a O-5 Commander ever saw that memo. He spent the rest of the war working for MacArthur who wasn't known for the quality of his intelligence officers. They were sycophants who produced reports saying what Mac wanted to hear.

If you read it, you will see that NONE of his recommendations were followed.

When it was sent to HQ, no doubt it was top secret. It is now confidential so it can now be released. YES, he was in charge of intelligence in Japan. And his memo was followed for most of it. Putting ships at Pearl Harbor to threaten the Japanese was done. I posted accurate information and not speculation like you did in reply.

 

[Robert W]

Because the USN was the only navy that could threaten Japan's plans to create a colonial empire in the Western Pacific.

Japan had one.

 

[Robert W]

He moved them from San Diego to Pearl Harbor so they could more easily be used in wartime and as a threat to the Japanese to prevent them from attacking the Philippines. FDR wanted to fight GERMANY to keep the UK in the war, Japan was a nuisance that public opinion required him to deter with economic sanctions. FDR didn't want war with Japan, everyone thought the Japanese would buckle under to the "superior" white man and follow orders. No one, not the British, not the French, not the Dutch especially not the Americans expected the Japanese to attack whites who were clearly superior in all ways (at least that was the thinking on December 6th, 1941.

The ships I speak of came from both San Diego and Bremerton, WA. I forget if some also came from SF ports. Frankly it seems the Philippines was a smarter place to put them. FDR signaled to Japan, come get us. Japan came. A president not wanting war would not threaten Japan. Remember, Japan knew the ships were there and sitting ducks.

 

[Zincwarrior]

What was there that they believed had to be attacked?

The Pacific Fleet. They also attacked Wake, Guam, the Phillipines and invaded Malaysia in the same 24 hours. Between those they effectively destroyed all US air forces in the Pacific.

 

[Robert W]

The Pacific Fleet. They also attacked Wake, Guam, the Phillipines and invaded Malaysia in the same 24 hours. Between those they effectively destroyed all US air forces in the Pacific.

Lt. Commander McCullum's plan worked as detailed but cost thousands of lives.

Had FDR told Congress his plan, I believe Congress would have worked to stop his plan from going into effect.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Because the USN was the only navy that could threaten Japan's plans to create a colonial empire in the Western Pacific.

Also why they hit the Philippines, Guam, Wake, and began the invasion of Malaya/Singapore. The wanted Sumatra, Brunei, and Java but had to take those to get them.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Did you read Lt. Cullom's plan that FDR followed? I posted from his report to HQ from Japan where he was the top naval officer over intelligence in Japan.

He wasn’t in Japan when he wrote that memo. He had been reassigned for two years.

 

[AZrailwhale]

When it was sent to HQ, no doubt it was top secret. It is now confidential so it can now be released. YES, he was in charge of intelligence in Japan. And his memo was followed for most of it. Putting ships at Pearl Harbor to threaten the Japanese was done. I posted accurate information and not speculation like you did in reply.

There no classification markers except confidential on the memo. If it had been more highly classified, the markings would be there with the dates it was reclassified.