Jane Fonda & Ma Joad

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Wouldn’t Ziggy Freud have a ball inside Jane Fonda’s head with this one. Jane was never quite sure who her father was; Henry, or Tom Joad. Now she has a chance to be Tom Joad’s mother if she is cast as Ma Joad in a remake of The Grapes of Wrath:

For those who didn’t read it in high school, The Grapes Of Wrath is about a poor family of tenant farmers forced to move off its land in Oklahoma because of drought and hopeless economic conditions. Spurred by the promise of high wages for farm workers, the Joads head to California, but are beaten down by poverty and hunger in the Great Depression. The film introduced the defiant and tragic protagonist Tom Joad (played by Henry Fonda), who has been an enduring symbol for social reform.

DreamWorks, Steven Spielberg Plan To Bring Back Tom Joad With New Version Of John Steinbeck’s ‘The Grapes Of Wrath’
By MIKE FLEMING JR | Tuesday July 2, 2013 @ 6:00pm PDT

DreamWorks, Steven Spielberg Plan To Bring Back Tom Joad With New Version Of John Steinbeck's 'The Grapes Of Wrath' - Deadline.com

Before moving on let me remind you of Hanoi Jane’s political philosophy:

I, a Socialist, think we should strive toward a Socialist society, all the way to Communism.

"If you understood what Communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees that one day we would become Communist." (speaking to students at the University of Michigan in 1970)

Jane Fonda - Biography

Those beliefs coming from an average American give new meaning to stupidity. Coming from a mind diseased by a lifetime of Hollywood fantasies is a testament to gullibility.

The Grapes of Wrath

This scene is the heart and soul of the movie:


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7JEYHczRar8]Who Do We Shoot? - YouTube[/ame]​

Muley is willing to die for a piece of land he does not own. Put that scene in perspective with this:

The theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property.

That definition is attributed to Karl Marx (1818 – 1883) and Friedrich Engels (1820 – 1895). Presumably Jane Fonda agrees.

Here’s the Socialist dilemma. How can Communists fight for the common man when they want to abolish private property? Answer: They can’t.

Private property is more than owning a farm. Real property includes owning your home. So when Communists abolish private property they must abolish home ownership. They have been doing that very thing with property taxes.

American Communists did a lot to transfer family-owned farms to corporate farms because of the enormous farm subsidies involved. In other words tenant farmer Muley was no different than the people who work on corporate farms today. He worked the land he did not own. Steinbeck’s novel and the movie were about social injustice —— not absolute real property Rights —— as Tom Joad’s dialogue in the video shows:


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zNfpLJV6dw&feature=player_embedded]The Grapes of Wrath - YouTube[/ame]​

Clearly, Tom Joad is referring to farmers only. There is not a chance he meant tens of millions of homeowners could grow their own food.

And you can bet your butt that today’s Socialists/Communists don’t want anybody standing up to the government. The IRS scandal proves my point.

Parenthetically, Robin Hood stood up for the common man by stealing from the TAX COLLECTOR. I’d like to hear Tom Joad in the remake give a heartfelt speech suggesting he is going to do the same thing.

Background

I used to believe that the American people would someday take an important step on the evolutionary road to individual liberty; that is to say freedom from oppressive government through limited representative government. I hoped it would happen in my lifetime whatever that advance turned out to be. I now believe that instead of moving forward we are going backwards. If not going in reverse, it is at least fair to say that Americans are so locked into the evil ways of past governments they can’t move forward. The US, and the world, have been advancing technologically since this country was founded, but it has not taken one important step forward in the field of government and private sector intercourse since the Bill of Rights was ratified.

Just look at how communism/socialism is a return to the past through taxation. A look at the basic structure of past governments will clarify that statement; not only concerning America’s ancestral European governments, but all governments going back to the dawn of civilization.

In every country since the beginning of countries, the common man was only permitted to own land under very unusual circumstances. Such occurrences were rare. The landlords owned the land and taxed the tenants they forced to work the land. The governing aristocracy supported the sovereign no matter which title was used: pharaoh, king, emperor, czar, sultan, etc. (Add president to the list if you’re a kill-joy.)

A sovereign is only one person; the landlords are many; so they have always been the primary beneficiaries of taxation. A landlord is defined as anyone who lives on taxes, but is not actually an essential ingredient in necessary government. The most common image of landlords is one of private sector individuals who earn income from apartment rentals. In truth, such landlords are actually functioning as government tax collectors when they pay their commercial taxes after collecting them from their tenants in the first place.

So as not to be thought of as tax collectors, government landlords in bygone societies decided they would like a few titles, too; so they were given lesser titles just to show the world they were not cold-hearted money-grubbers: duke, baron, mandarin, and so on. The guys who sucked up to the boss by actually going out and collecting the taxes by beating the peasants over the head took the rap. Taking the rap didn’t involve jail time; although it should have in most cases.

In the distant past, taking the hit for collecting taxes only meant that you were not a very nice person. Contemporary public trough parasites, without benefit of titles, not only want the government to support them in the time-honored way, they want to be loved as well. (Now that’s carrying chutzpah a little too far for my tastes.)

Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels meant to abolish private property through taxation when they first preached their gospel, but the application of their religion has resulted in tax servitude benefitting the very type of person they preached against. Private property Rights still do not exist in absolute form for private sector homeowners, and the landlords are as fat and sassy as ever they were throughout mankind’s history. Nothing has really changed for the better insofar as government goes. There are still tax collectors. Worse still, Socialists are imposing the tax collector’s morality on everyone.

There is still an aristocracy living on taxes, and the private sector working man is still a tenant farmer required to pay the land barons for the privilege of keeping a roof over his head.

Obviously, the creation of absolute private property Rights is the best way for the private sector homeowner to break from the past as well as breaking communism’s back in this country, but I don’t realistically expect to see it happen anytime soon. And in the topsy-turvy world of government, it is Socialists/Communists who still preach class envy to the private sector at every turn, when it is they who should now be identified as the hated tax dollar class. My, my, how the wheel does come around.

Civilized man seems unable to break away from ancient government crimes perpetuated by the same personalty type century after century. There have been struggles against government parasites all through history, but educated men and women never take the step that will permanently arrest the growth and power of government over the very people who are forced to support the tax dollar class. No matter how well-intentioned a government is at birth, the loophole is never closed that allows private property taxation. That failure always leads to government abusing working people. Government abuse is equally destructive to individual liberties when it is administered by a totalitarian jackboot, or enforced by totalitarian tax dollar funded compassion.

The concept of government is eternal, but mortal governments are born, grow old, and finally die because they all live the same way. It is the enduring marriage between brutal oppressors and champions of the people that gives birth to the same old government villainy time after time. It’s difficult to separate the two. It’s easy to see that everyone suffers under both because champions of the people always become jackbooted tyrants, and so we begin again.

Too many people believe government is responsible for improving life in much of the world? If that were true why have so many governments come and gone since the beginning of time? If just one of those governments had gotten it right the people in every country would have imitated it.

Or perhaps too many people are simply afraid to set out on an uncharted course. And so we continue on the same course; even to the point of creating a global government fashioned after all of mankind’s proven failures. A supreme one government world will not commit itself to individual liberties strengthened by absolute private property Rights no matter what global village advocates now say. Governments possess awesome institutional power. That power is inevitably used to enslave in one form or another. That fact alone should warn decent-people away from even more government no matter what promises are being made.

Clarification: My use of decent-people as a compound word should not be taken as a moral judgement. It is simply a way to identify individuals who do not want to control anyone’s life and resources except their own.

Considering the threats of violence the intelligentsia, along with their Communist/Socialist cheerleaders, were spouting in the nineteen-thirties, it’s plain to see why the landlords want to disarm the American private sector now that the shoe is on the other foot. Now, all these years later, Socialist/Communist government promoting corporate-owned farms and excessive taxation became the Shawnee Land & Cattle Company as far as the family farmer and American homeowners are concerned. The fear of poetic justice coming into play should Muley ever figure out who to shoot has Socialists/Communists in a panic.

My solution

Neither tax collector nor trail lawyer nor the courts — and even creditors once the prospective homeowner becomes the deed holder of record —— should have the legal authority to confiscate a primary residence. We now live in the year 2013, so it's time the Constitution protected homeownership from nineteenth century socialism's goal of destroying private property. Every home should be a secure castle surrounded by a constitutional moat.

NOTE: Individual debt will plummet as homeowners payoff their mortgages in order to access the constitutional protection against confiscation that I am suggesting. Every well-respected liberal and conservative economist acknowledges that less personal debt is a good thing for the country. Moneylenders will automatically curtail their usury once they know there is no real estate to confiscate through the courts.

Americans never stopped struggling to hold onto the Rights they were given when this country was founded; so shooting for a new Right for a change will be a unique experience for the private sector citizen. The legislative battle that is sure to take place will at least separate Socialists from decent-people.

I know that property taxes are not federal, yet candidates for federal office sweat bullets at the thought of turning the teachers' unions against them. Why should that be? Property taxes are levied by each state or local community; so anyone running for federal office should not be afraid of the teachers' unions. But they are because local property taxes pay teachers' salaries and fund lucrative pension plans. The members of the American Federation of Teachers (AFT) and the NEA do not want anyone holding federal office they don't approve of. Teachers want federal legislators in office who are indebted to teachers so that state legislators can be overruled should they do anything foolish —— like shutting down the Department of Education.

I well-realize that most rank & file teachers are probably not Socialists, but the political clout of the teaching profession is clearly oriented towards totalitarian government as designed by the social engineers controlling the NEA, the Dept of Education, and the AFT.

Homeownership used to be the American Dream in my youth because it freed families from the clutches of the hated landlord. Property taxes were very low on a single family residence in those days and everyone believed that no matter how tough things became they could always beg, borrow, or steal enough money to keep from being put out in the street by the tax collector. A few even believed they could pull a Scarlett O'Hara and whip up a dress out of some old drapes in order to save the old homestead. (Scarlett would go bare-assed today because they would confiscate the drapes first.)

No one that I knew in my youth ever gave a damn about freedom of the press or religion or speech for that matter. Americans with good sense know that those freedoms mostly benefit the government class and the hierarchies of organized religion anyway.

One does not need the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval to believe in God. Freedom of religion has become a joke because it no longer includes freedom from religion; that is to say freedom from the Socialist religion.

Freedom of the press is meaningless unless you own a printing press.

Constitutionally guaranteed freedom of speech implies that you can't speak unless the government gives you permission to do so. Politically correct speech proves that.

It was owning your own home in pre-Socialist America that people understood and cared about. Nowadays slum lords are still at the throats of the poor. In addition, we have the teachers' unions who are the new government landlords to the American homeowner. It is one thing for teachers to organize unions in a private sector, private school, environment, but it is quite another matter for teachers to promote socialism, or any other religious/political philosophy, while feeding at the public trough. The very fact that teachers demand lifetime tenure at the trough speaks volumes in favor of socialism from their point of view.

Teachers' unions are not the only problem. Socialism should be dismantled wherever it has taken root; the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) in particular. We have been told for as long as I can remember that if a criminal is not given a fair trial we all lose our Rights, but have you ever seen that same principle applied to timber farmers, mine owners, and ranchers when their property Rights are diminished or taken away by the EPA? If their Rights are taken away, it must follow that my Rights are also lost.

The education system has convinced idiots that the EPA will "save the environment," no small thing even for Socialists, but it is the average American homeowner with a home on a quarter of an acre of land in the burbs who will finish far worse off than a rancher or mine owner or timber farmer before Socialists and the EPA are through abolishing private property.

The same thing that the EPA is doing to property Rights every day happened when the personal income tax was first being sold as a cure-all for society's ills . The public was told that the income tax would nail rich crooks. After Al Capone was nailed, it ended up hammering everyone except crooks. Al Capone was the best poster child that ever posed for the IRS because his conviction on tax fraud made the personal income tax more palatable to the American public.

Socialists/Communists still promote socialism as though it is a revelation from God. They cleverly preach against the private sector individual having any property Rights by disguising their objectives behind legal beards of one kind or another because that pesky Constitution keeps getting in the way, but it is the average American homeowner their hatred is aimed at —— not the robber barons of old.

And isn't it aggravating knowing that contemporary American Fabians thrive when freedoms and real property are available to take away from private sector individuals?

Finally, should Hollywood do a remake of The Grapes of Wrath listen for one sentence that calls for constitutionally protected real property Rights. I guarantee you won’t hear it. Huge Hollywood subsidies rely upon pleasing the very people who would abolish private property.
 
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I decided to add this message to this thread because it updates the farming theme in The Grapes of Wrath.

Nothing shows the hypocrisy of Socialist policies more than does storage produce:


Pack-house and cold-storage facility construction “appropriate to the Kenyan rural environment” is the first step, according to a Request for Proposals from contractors that WND discovered via routine database research.

XXXXX

This “marketing flexibility” will allow them to sell produce at a more appropriate time, as the new cooling and storage facilities will make it unnecessary to sell produce immediately after harvest.

Obama drops hundreds of millions on (Kenyan) farmers
U.S. spending now includes farm bill for cold storage projects
Published: 14 hours ago
STEVE PEACOCK

Obama drops hundreds of millions on (Kenyan) farmers

Those crops that can be refrigerated generate enormous profits for middlemen and investors; profits that originate with tax dollar subsidies.

The consumer pays higher prices for storage produce and gets inferior food in spite of the huge subsidies paid to farmers. Basically, the oldest produce is sold first; so the consumer never gets produce soon after it is harvested. Storage apples are so bad I stopped eating them years ago.

Recently harvested apples sold for a nickel apiece before and during the Great Depression. Today, Red Delicious apples rarely sell for under a dollar each. That means many WORKING Americans at the lower end of the economic ladder cannot afford to buy apples for their families.

Having fruits and vegetables available throughout the year is the sales pitch. It is a dubious benefit at best. Note that the public does just fine with produce that cannot be stored when it is sold “in season.” Peaches, melons, and oranges are good examples.

Incidentally, the ideal situation is a system where North America and South America feed each other fresh produce in season rather than growing the horrible system of storage to justify reduced production.

NOTE: The government subsidizes corn growers, but because corn is used to produce ethanol the price of corn for human consumption has skyrocketed worldwide. The environmental joke is that ethanol corrodes automobile engines. I have to believe that EPA standards (E15) were deliberately imposed on refineries to destroy engines in order to insure new auto sales far into the future. If ever there was a government program promoting planned obsolescence ethanol is it.

FDR

While people around the world were starving during the Great Depression FDR’s Administration plowed millions of acres of produce under the ground so the government could control food prices. In simple terms it was a war between two opposing philosophies. Overabundance and reduced production.

Overabundance guaranteed lower prices at the retail level.

The government controlling production guaranteed escalating prices ad infinitum. In Short: Produce less —— charge more.

Naturally, Socialists/Communists chose control. The public fell for the promise that FDR’s policies would eliminate economic boom & bust cycles. That promise was as false as every other promise Communists in government ever made. Americans are going through the worst economic bust since the Great Depression while the government is propping up the people who caused the bust; i.e., absentee owners. The next bust will be a hundred times worse than this one for two reasons:

1. There are powerful forces controlling America’s institutions of influence, (government, media, education) who are working to destroy this country. That condition did not exist during the Great Depression.

2. Population plus open-borders.

1930 - 123,202,624
1940 - 132,164,569
1950 - 151,325,798
1960 - 179,323,175
1970 - 203,302,031
1980 - 226,542,199
1990 - 248,709,873
2000 - 281,421,906
2010 - 307,745,538

God only knows what the population will be in 2020 when the next wave of illegals pours in after the current hoard of illegals get amnesty. (The 2010 number would be 20 million higher if all of today’s illegals are added in.)
 
Ain’t this a kick. Jane Fonda’s heart is with Ma Joad, but she’s going to play Nancy Reagan. I suspect it will be another Hollywood hatchet job:

JANE FONDA: The idea that I could play Nancy Reagan was just too much to resist. I thought it would be fun to play her. I know people say, “Oh my gosh,” you know. “Jane Fonda’s playing Nancy Reagan.” But I don’t think that whatever differences there might be in our politics really, really matters. You know, as an actor, I approach her as a human being, and I happen to know that she’s not unhappy that I’m playing her.​

I’m not sure if that’s true, but the announcement earlier this year that Fonda would be playing Reagan drew harsh criticism from conservatives across the fruited plain.

Jane Fonda: Nancy Reagan’s ‘Not Unhappy That I’m Playing Her’
By Noel Sheppard | July 25, 2013 | 16:37

Jane Fonda: Nancy Reagan?s ?Not Unhappy That I?m Playing Her? | NewsBusters

Now if only Hollywood could talk Sarah Palin into playing Jane Fonda.
 
The movie is going to bomb anyway. It will have less viewership than "The Innocence of Muslims".
 
Love watching the rw' heads exploding over this non-issue. More lies about Fonda and the idiot rw's will swear its all true.

ROFLMAO
 
God only knows what the population will be in 2020 when the next wave of illegals pours in after the current hoard of illegals get amnesty. (The 2010 number would be 20 million higher if all of today’s illegals are added in.)

You need to find a sale on aluminum foil.
 
I'll pass on the new film. The old movie was pure socialist propaganda.

My favorite part of the old movie was when the Joads came to the Weedpatch Camp. One of FDR's New Deal worker's settlements (present day urban housing projects).

The camp was a communist utopia. The camp commandant was a mixure of Jesus Christ and Santa Claus. Of course the greedy landowners and their men that supplied work to the migrants were portrayed as Satan and his demons.
 
I'll pass on the new film. The old movie was pure socialist propaganda.

My favorite part of the old movie was when the Joads came to the Weedpatch Camp. One of FDR's New Deal worker's settlements (present day urban housing projects).

The camp was a communist utopia. The camp commandant was a mixure of Jesus Christ and Santa Claus. Of course the greedy landowners and their men that supplied work to the migrants were portrayed as Satan and his demons.

To Survivalist: Not to mention the fact that many who fled the Dust Bowl eventually came to own the land they farmed in California instead of remaining sharecroppers/tenant farmers.
 
No one is going to stop Jane Fonda from playing Nancy Reagan. Actually, I doubt if Hollywood would make the movie without her. I cannot think of another actress who would convey Hollywood’s “Love Communism - Hate America” message as effectively as Fonda. Not because she is a great actress, but because of what she is.

Here are two quotes I never heard before. The first from Ronald Reagan:


Indeed, one would be hard pressed to think that Reagan would have approved of the casting of Fonda as his wife – since in a letter he wrote to William F. Buckley during his presidency, he called Fonda and her then-second husband, Tom Hayden, “traitors to their country.”

The second quote from Fonda herself:

Fonda wrote a letter to her denouncing Baez for trying to help the people fleeing communist oppression. “Your actions only align you with the most narrow and negative elements in our country who continue to believe that Communism is worse than death.”

Hanoi Jane got that right. Death is preferable to life under communism.

This final excerpt says everything one needs to know about a Hollywood icon’s life:


There is no evidence that Jane Fonda did anything except cause misery in other peoples’ lives when it comes to this difficult period of American history.

Reagan Biographer Denounces Casting Fonda As Nancy in 'The Butler'
By Ken Shepherd | August 14, 2013 | 12:21

Reagan Biographer Denounces Casting Fonda As Nancy in 'The Butler' | NewsBusters
 
I decided to add this message to this thread because it updates the farming theme in The Grapes of Wrath.

Nothing shows the hypocrisy of Socialist policies more than does storage produce:


Pack-house and cold-storage facility construction “appropriate to the Kenyan rural environment” is the first step, according to a Request for Proposals from contractors that WND discovered via routine database research.

XXXXX

This “marketing flexibility” will allow them to sell produce at a more appropriate time, as the new cooling and storage facilities will make it unnecessary to sell produce immediately after harvest.

Obama drops hundreds of millions on (Kenyan) farmers
U.S. spending now includes farm bill for cold storage projects
Published: 14 hours ago
STEVE PEACOCK

Obama drops hundreds of millions on (Kenyan) farmers

Those crops that can be refrigerated generate enormous profits for middlemen and investors; profits that originate with tax dollar subsidies.

The consumer pays higher prices for storage produce and gets inferior food in spite of the huge subsidies paid to farmers. Basically, the oldest produce is sold first; so the consumer never gets produce soon after it is harvested. Storage apples are so bad I stopped eating them years ago.

Recently harvested apples sold for a nickel apiece before and during the Great Depression. Today, Red Delicious apples rarely sell for under a dollar each. That means many WORKING Americans at the lower end of the economic ladder cannot afford to buy apples for their families.

Having fruits and vegetables available throughout the year is the sales pitch. It is a dubious benefit at best. Note that the public does just fine with produce that cannot be stored when it is sold “in season.” Peaches, melons, and oranges are good examples.

Incidentally, the ideal situation is a system where North America and South America feed each other fresh produce in season rather than growing the horrible system of storage to justify reduced production.

NOTE: The government subsidizes corn growers, but because corn is used to produce ethanol the price of corn for human consumption has skyrocketed worldwide. The environmental joke is that ethanol corrodes automobile engines. I have to believe that EPA standards (E15) were deliberately imposed on refineries to destroy engines in order to insure new auto sales far into the future. If ever there was a government program promoting planned obsolescence ethanol is it.

FDR

While people around the world were starving during the Great Depression FDR’s Administration plowed millions of acres of produce under the ground so the government could control food prices. In simple terms it was a war between two opposing philosophies. Overabundance and reduced production.

Overabundance guaranteed lower prices at the retail level.

The government controlling production guaranteed escalating prices ad infinitum. In Short: Produce less —— charge more.

Naturally, Socialists/Communists chose control. The public fell for the promise that FDR’s policies would eliminate economic boom & bust cycles. That promise was as false as every other promise Communists in government ever made. Americans are going through the worst economic bust since the Great Depression while the government is propping up the people who caused the bust; i.e., absentee owners. The next bust will be a hundred times worse than this one for two reasons:

1. There are powerful forces controlling America’s institutions of influence, (government, media, education) who are working to destroy this country. That condition did not exist during the Great Depression.

2. Population plus open-borders.

1930 - 123,202,624
1940 - 132,164,569
1950 - 151,325,798
1960 - 179,323,175
1970 - 203,302,031
1980 - 226,542,199
1990 - 248,709,873
2000 - 281,421,906
2010 - 307,745,538

God only knows what the population will be in 2020 when the next wave of illegals pours in after the current hoard of illegals get amnesty. (The 2010 number would be 20 million higher if all of today’s illegals are added in.)

No doubt the various Native Americans People thought the same thing,YOU ARE AN IDIOT,America was built on Immigrants both Illegal or otherwise.

So the chance that your forebears were Illegal Immigrants would be pretty high,You Sound like what you are....a jumped up little Mongrel,Racist, Illegal,Moron...DOPE
 
No one is going to stop Jane Fonda from playing Nancy Reagan. Actually, I doubt if Hollywood would make the movie without her. I cannot think of another actress who would convey Hollywood’s “Love Communism - Hate America” message as effectively as Fonda. Not because she is a great actress, but because of what she is.

Here are two quotes I never heard before. The first from Ronald Reagan:


Indeed, one would be hard pressed to think that Reagan would have approved of the casting of Fonda as his wife – since in a letter he wrote to William F. Buckley during his presidency, he called Fonda and her then-second husband, Tom Hayden, “traitors to their country.”

The second quote from Fonda herself:

Fonda wrote a letter to her denouncing Baez for trying to help the people fleeing communist oppression. “Your actions only align you with the most narrow and negative elements in our country who continue to believe that Communism is worse than death.”

Hanoi Jane got that right. Death is preferable to life under communism.

This final excerpt says everything one needs to know about a Hollywood icon’s life:


There is no evidence that Jane Fonda did anything except cause misery in other peoples’ lives when it comes to this difficult period of American history.

Reagan Biographer Denounces Casting Fonda As Nancy in 'The Butler'
By Ken Shepherd | August 14, 2013 | 12:21

Reagan Biographer Denounces Casting Fonda As Nancy in 'The Butler' | NewsBusters

Huh more spew,that's why the American Government after the Vietnam War asked Jane Fonda to represent with other educated Americans to be part of the reconciliation between America and Vietnam.

You apoplectic rantings against her is pathetic.....infact you are bloody pathetic.

Dope:mad:
 
I'll pass on the new film. The old movie was pure socialist propaganda.

My favorite part of the old movie was when the Joads came to the Weedpatch Camp. One of FDR's New Deal worker's settlements (present day urban housing projects).

The camp was a communist utopia. The camp commandant was a mixure of Jesus Christ and Santa Claus. Of course the greedy landowners and their men that supplied work to the migrants were portrayed as Satan and his demons.

To Survivalist: Not to mention the fact that many who fled the Dust Bowl eventually came to own the land they farmed in California instead of remaining sharecroppers/tenant farmers.

"In Flanders Mind the Decay doth Grow
Between his Ears,Row by Row:mad:
Madder Than Mad,but What a Show.
So Sad,So Very Sad."

You need to see a Mental Health Specialist.......Quick Smart
 
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I decided to add this message to this thread because it updates the farming theme in The Grapes of Wrath.

Nothing shows the hypocrisy of Socialist policies more than does storage produce:


Pack-house and cold-storage facility construction “appropriate to the Kenyan rural environment” is the first step, according to a Request for Proposals from contractors that WND discovered via routine database research.

XXXXX

This “marketing flexibility” will allow them to sell produce at a more appropriate time, as the new cooling and storage facilities will make it unnecessary to sell produce immediately after harvest.

Obama drops hundreds of millions on (Kenyan) farmers
U.S. spending now includes farm bill for cold storage projects
Published: 14 hours ago
STEVE PEACOCK

Obama drops hundreds of millions on (Kenyan) farmers

Those crops that can be refrigerated generate enormous profits for middlemen and investors; profits that originate with tax dollar subsidies.

The consumer pays higher prices for storage produce and gets inferior food in spite of the huge subsidies paid to farmers. Basically, the oldest produce is sold first; so the consumer never gets produce soon after it is harvested. Storage apples are so bad I stopped eating them years ago.

Recently harvested apples sold for a nickel apiece before and during the Great Depression. Today, Red Delicious apples rarely sell for under a dollar each. That means many WORKING Americans at the lower end of the economic ladder cannot afford to buy apples for their families.

Having fruits and vegetables available throughout the year is the sales pitch. It is a dubious benefit at best. Note that the public does just fine with produce that cannot be stored when it is sold “in season.” Peaches, melons, and oranges are good examples.

Incidentally, the ideal situation is a system where North America and South America feed each other fresh produce in season rather than growing the horrible system of storage to justify reduced production.

NOTE: The government subsidizes corn growers, but because corn is used to produce ethanol the price of corn for human consumption has skyrocketed worldwide. The environmental joke is that ethanol corrodes automobile engines. I have to believe that EPA standards (E15) were deliberately imposed on refineries to destroy engines in order to insure new auto sales far into the future. If ever there was a government program promoting planned obsolescence ethanol is it.

FDR

While people around the world were starving during the Great Depression FDR’s Administration plowed millions of acres of produce under the ground so the government could control food prices. In simple terms it was a war between two opposing philosophies. Overabundance and reduced production.

Overabundance guaranteed lower prices at the retail level.

The government controlling production guaranteed escalating prices ad infinitum. In Short: Produce less —— charge more.

Naturally, Socialists/Communists chose control. The public fell for the promise that FDR’s policies would eliminate economic boom & bust cycles. That promise was as false as every other promise Communists in government ever made. Americans are going through the worst economic bust since the Great Depression while the government is propping up the people who caused the bust; i.e., absentee owners. The next bust will be a hundred times worse than this one for two reasons:

1. There are powerful forces controlling America’s institutions of influence, (government, media, education) who are working to destroy this country. That condition did not exist during the Great Depression.

2. Population plus open-borders.

1930 - 123,202,624
1940 - 132,164,569
1950 - 151,325,798
1960 - 179,323,175
1970 - 203,302,031
1980 - 226,542,199
1990 - 248,709,873
2000 - 281,421,906
2010 - 307,745,538

God only knows what the population will be in 2020 when the next wave of illegals pours in after the current hoard of illegals get amnesty. (The 2010 number would be 20 million higher if all of today’s illegals are added in.)

American Export Produce has been Reeferd(Frozen),Sprayed, Chemically Coated and Tinned for 40/70 odd years and some,..............from Meat to Veggies and Fruit.....often years old....little or no goodness...this is very old news......................It's enough to make you SICK.

Go away Flanders...you are an Idiot and :mad: with it
 
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I suppose there is no need to point out that Jane Fonda did what most young people do, and abandoned communism right about the time she was old enough to vote?

I'd also put €10 on the OP not having read a word of Steinbeck, nor of being smart enough to know that one of the causes of the dustbowl was a lack of environmentalism.
 
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Wouldn’t Ziggy Freud have a ball inside Jane Fonda’s head with this one. Jane was never quite sure who her father was; Henry, or Tom Joad. Now she has a chance to be Tom Joad’s mother if she is cast as Ma Joad in a remake of The Grapes of Wrath:

For those who didn’t read it in high school, The Grapes Of Wrath is about a poor family of tenant farmers forced to move off its land in Oklahoma because of drought and hopeless economic conditions. Spurred by the promise of high wages for farm workers, the Joads head to California, but are beaten down by poverty and hunger in the Great Depression. The film introduced the defiant and tragic protagonist Tom Joad (played by Henry Fonda), who has been an enduring symbol for social reform.

DreamWorks, Steven Spielberg Plan To Bring Back Tom Joad With New Version Of John Steinbeck’s ‘The Grapes Of Wrath’
By MIKE FLEMING JR | Tuesday July 2, 2013 @ 6:00pm PDT

DreamWorks, Steven Spielberg Plan To Bring Back Tom Joad With New Version Of John Steinbeck's 'The Grapes Of Wrath' - Deadline.com

Before moving on let me remind you of Hanoi Jane’s political philosophy:

I, a Socialist, think we should strive toward a Socialist society, all the way to Communism.

"If you understood what Communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees that one day we would become Communist." (speaking to students at the University of Michigan in 1970)

Jane Fonda - Biography

Those beliefs coming from an average American give new meaning to stupidity. Coming from a mind diseased by a lifetime of Hollywood fantasies is a testament to gullibility.

The Grapes of Wrath

This scene is the heart and soul of the movie:


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7JEYHczRar8]Who Do We Shoot? - YouTube[/ame]​

Muley is willing to die for a piece of land he does not own. Put that scene in perspective with this:

The theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property.

That definition is attributed to Karl Marx (1818 – 1883) and Friedrich Engels (1820 – 1895). Presumably Jane Fonda agrees.

Here’s the Socialist dilemma. How can Communists fight for the common man when they want to abolish private property? Answer: They can’t.

Private property is more than owning a farm. Real property includes owning your home. So when Communists abolish private property they must abolish home ownership. They have been doing that very thing with property taxes.

American Communists did a lot to transfer family-owned farms to corporate farms because of the enormous farm subsidies involved. In other words tenant farmer Muley was no different than the people who work on corporate farms today. He worked the land he did not own. Steinbeck’s novel and the movie were about social injustice —— not absolute real property Rights —— as Tom Joad’s dialogue in the video shows:


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zNfpLJV6dw&feature=player_embedded]The Grapes of Wrath - YouTube[/ame]​

Clearly, Tom Joad is referring to farmers only. There is not a chance he meant tens of millions of homeowners could grow their own food.

And you can bet your butt that today’s Socialists/Communists don’t want anybody standing up to the government. The IRS scandal proves my point.

Parenthetically, Robin Hood stood up for the common man by stealing from the TAX COLLECTOR. I’d like to hear Tom Joad in the remake give a heartfelt speech suggesting he is going to do the same thing.

Background

I used to believe that the American people would someday take an important step on the evolutionary road to individual liberty; that is to say freedom from oppressive government through limited representative government. I hoped it would happen in my lifetime whatever that advance turned out to be. I now believe that instead of moving forward we are going backwards. If not going in reverse, it is at least fair to say that Americans are so locked into the evil ways of past governments they can’t move forward. The US, and the world, have been advancing technologically since this country was founded, but it has not taken one important step forward in the field of government and private sector intercourse since the Bill of Rights was ratified.

Just look at how communism/socialism is a return to the past through taxation. A look at the basic structure of past governments will clarify that statement; not only concerning America’s ancestral European governments, but all governments going back to the dawn of civilization.

In every country since the beginning of countries, the common man was only permitted to own land under very unusual circumstances. Such occurrences were rare. The landlords owned the land and taxed the tenants they forced to work the land. The governing aristocracy supported the sovereign no matter which title was used: pharaoh, king, emperor, czar, sultan, etc. (Add president to the list if you’re a kill-joy.)

A sovereign is only one person; the landlords are many; so they have always been the primary beneficiaries of taxation. A landlord is defined as anyone who lives on taxes, but is not actually an essential ingredient in necessary government. The most common image of landlords is one of private sector individuals who earn income from apartment rentals. In truth, such landlords are actually functioning as government tax collectors when they pay their commercial taxes after collecting them from their tenants in the first place.

So as not to be thought of as tax collectors, government landlords in bygone societies decided they would like a few titles, too; so they were given lesser titles just to show the world they were not cold-hearted money-grubbers: duke, baron, mandarin, and so on. The guys who sucked up to the boss by actually going out and collecting the taxes by beating the peasants over the head took the rap. Taking the rap didn’t involve jail time; although it should have in most cases.

In the distant past, taking the hit for collecting taxes only meant that you were not a very nice person. Contemporary public trough parasites, without benefit of titles, not only want the government to support them in the time-honored way, they want to be loved as well. (Now that’s carrying chutzpah a little too far for my tastes.)

Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels meant to abolish private property through taxation when they first preached their gospel, but the application of their religion has resulted in tax servitude benefitting the very type of person they preached against. Private property Rights still do not exist in absolute form for private sector homeowners, and the landlords are as fat and sassy as ever they were throughout mankind’s history. Nothing has really changed for the better insofar as government goes. There are still tax collectors. Worse still, Socialists are imposing the tax collector’s morality on everyone.

There is still an aristocracy living on taxes, and the private sector working man is still a tenant farmer required to pay the land barons for the privilege of keeping a roof over his head.

Obviously, the creation of absolute private property Rights is the best way for the private sector homeowner to break from the past as well as breaking communism’s back in this country, but I don’t realistically expect to see it happen anytime soon. And in the topsy-turvy world of government, it is Socialists/Communists who still preach class envy to the private sector at every turn, when it is they who should now be identified as the hated tax dollar class. My, my, how the wheel does come around.

Civilized man seems unable to break away from ancient government crimes perpetuated by the same personalty type century after century. There have been struggles against government parasites all through history, but educated men and women never take the step that will permanently arrest the growth and power of government over the very people who are forced to support the tax dollar class. No matter how well-intentioned a government is at birth, the loophole is never closed that allows private property taxation. That failure always leads to government abusing working people. Government abuse is equally destructive to individual liberties when it is administered by a totalitarian jackboot, or enforced by totalitarian tax dollar funded compassion.

The concept of government is eternal, but mortal governments are born, grow old, and finally die because they all live the same way. It is the enduring marriage between brutal oppressors and champions of the people that gives birth to the same old government villainy time after time. It’s difficult to separate the two. It’s easy to see that everyone suffers under both because champions of the people always become jackbooted tyrants, and so we begin again.

Too many people believe government is responsible for improving life in much of the world? If that were true why have so many governments come and gone since the beginning of time? If just one of those governments had gotten it right the people in every country would have imitated it.

Or perhaps too many people are simply afraid to set out on an uncharted course. And so we continue on the same course; even to the point of creating a global government fashioned after all of mankind’s proven failures. A supreme one government world will not commit itself to individual liberties strengthened by absolute private property Rights no matter what global village advocates now say. Governments possess awesome institutional power. That power is inevitably used to enslave in one form or another. That fact alone should warn decent-people away from even more government no matter what promises are being made.

Clarification: My use of decent-people as a compound word should not be taken as a moral judgement. It is simply a way to identify individuals who do not want to control anyone’s life and resources except their own.

Considering the threats of violence the intelligentsia, along with their Communist/Socialist cheerleaders, were spouting in the nineteen-thirties, it’s plain to see why the landlords want to disarm the American private sector now that the shoe is on the other foot. Now, all these years later, Socialist/Communist government promoting corporate-owned farms and excessive taxation became the Shawnee Land & Cattle Company as far as the family farmer and American homeowners are concerned. The fear of poetic justice coming into play should Muley ever figure out who to shoot has Socialists/Communists in a panic.

My solution

Neither tax collector nor trail lawyer nor the courts — and even creditors once the prospective homeowner becomes the deed holder of record —— should have the legal authority to confiscate a primary residence. We now live in the year 2013, so it's time the Constitution protected homeownership from nineteenth century socialism's goal of destroying private property. Every home should be a secure castle surrounded by a constitutional moat.

NOTE: Individual debt will plummet as homeowners payoff their mortgages in order to access the constitutional protection against confiscation that I am suggesting. Every well-respected liberal and conservative economist acknowledges that less personal debt is a good thing for the country. Moneylenders will automatically curtail their usury once they know there is no real estate to confiscate through the courts.

Americans never stopped struggling to hold onto the Rights they were given when this country was founded; so shooting for a new Right for a change will be a unique experience for the private sector citizen. The legislative battle that is sure to take place will at least separate Socialists from decent-people.

I know that property taxes are not federal, yet candidates for federal office sweat bullets at the thought of turning the teachers' unions against them. Why should that be? Property taxes are levied by each state or local community; so anyone running for federal office should not be afraid of the teachers' unions. But they are because local property taxes pay teachers' salaries and fund lucrative pension plans. The members of the American Federation of Teachers (AFT) and the NEA do not want anyone holding federal office they don't approve of. Teachers want federal legislators in office who are indebted to teachers so that state legislators can be overruled should they do anything foolish —— like shutting down the Department of Education.

I well-realize that most rank & file teachers are probably not Socialists, but the political clout of the teaching profession is clearly oriented towards totalitarian government as designed by the social engineers controlling the NEA, the Dept of Education, and the AFT.

Homeownership used to be the American Dream in my youth because it freed families from the clutches of the hated landlord. Property taxes were very low on a single family residence in those days and everyone believed that no matter how tough things became they could always beg, borrow, or steal enough money to keep from being put out in the street by the tax collector. A few even believed they could pull a Scarlett O'Hara and whip up a dress out of some old drapes in order to save the old homestead. (Scarlett would go bare-assed today because they would confiscate the drapes first.)

No one that I knew in my youth ever gave a damn about freedom of the press or religion or speech for that matter. Americans with good sense know that those freedoms mostly benefit the government class and the hierarchies of organized religion anyway.

One does not need the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval to believe in God. Freedom of religion has become a joke because it no longer includes freedom from religion; that is to say freedom from the Socialist religion.

Freedom of the press is meaningless unless you own a printing press.

Constitutionally guaranteed freedom of speech implies that you can't speak unless the government gives you permission to do so. Politically correct speech proves that.

It was owning your own home in pre-Socialist America that people understood and cared about. Nowadays slum lords are still at the throats of the poor. In addition, we have the teachers' unions who are the new government landlords to the American homeowner. It is one thing for teachers to organize unions in a private sector, private school, environment, but it is quite another matter for teachers to promote socialism, or any other religious/political philosophy, while feeding at the public trough. The very fact that teachers demand lifetime tenure at the trough speaks volumes in favor of socialism from their point of view.

Teachers' unions are not the only problem. Socialism should be dismantled wherever it has taken root; the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) in particular. We have been told for as long as I can remember that if a criminal is not given a fair trial we all lose our Rights, but have you ever seen that same principle applied to timber farmers, mine owners, and ranchers when their property Rights are diminished or taken away by the EPA? If their Rights are taken away, it must follow that my Rights are also lost.

The education system has convinced idiots that the EPA will "save the environment," no small thing even for Socialists, but it is the average American homeowner with a home on a quarter of an acre of land in the burbs who will finish far worse off than a rancher or mine owner or timber farmer before Socialists and the EPA are through abolishing private property.

The same thing that the EPA is doing to property Rights every day happened when the personal income tax was first being sold as a cure-all for society's ills . The public was told that the income tax would nail rich crooks. After Al Capone was nailed, it ended up hammering everyone except crooks. Al Capone was the best poster child that ever posed for the IRS because his conviction on tax fraud made the personal income tax more palatable to the American public.

Socialists/Communists still promote socialism as though it is a revelation from God. They cleverly preach against the private sector individual having any property Rights by disguising their objectives behind legal beards of one kind or another because that pesky Constitution keeps getting in the way, but it is the average American homeowner their hatred is aimed at —— not the robber barons of old.

And isn't it aggravating knowing that contemporary American Fabians thrive when freedoms and real property are available to take away from private sector individuals?

Finally, should Hollywood do a remake of The Grapes of Wrath listen for one sentence that calls for constitutionally protected real property Rights. I guarantee you won’t hear it. Huge Hollywood subsidies rely upon pleasing the very people who would abolish private property.

Trouble with your NUTTY rhetoric is ......... That you Instigated Slavery and made Lynching an Artform...so much for your idea of freedom....You Idiot:mad:
 
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as interesting as the thread may be--i read very little and will not read more.

the last thoughts I had on Jane Fonda--

--she had a loft in Atlanta
--was somehow involved with a Foundation that provided assistance of some kind to girls

--had some sort of change of heart
--has some kind of amicable relationship with Ted Turner

she is an actress. an activist and whatever else.
I liked the movie 'On Golden Pond'--early 80's.

really did not enjoy--'Monster In Law'--? early 2000's?
she clearly is in good shape--all the aerobics--late 70's and whatever.

I read the Grapes of Wrath--not inclined to read it again.

out of desperation I found the original 'The Great Gatsby'--Redford's version--no longer has any appeal to me. A man with an obsession---decadence, affluence---sickening to another man.

What more can be said?

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I just don't think there is much that the entertainment industry can do for me.
 

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