Jack Ma going back on his word?

[HaShev]

After today's politicalized comments by
Jack Ma threatening to not bring jobs to the U.S.(who was probably doing so for President Xi when the Chinese President today reconsidered their car tariff, which would have hurt Ma on the other end ),
I decided to remove all Alibaba bookmarks and saved items. I also removed my Alibaba emails and will be writing all the product/company inquiries and bids to tell them why I have to decline their offers, due to not being able to trust the top exec. of Alibaba, thus certainly can't trust the lacking verification and validation of the wholesalers associated with Alibaba.
And that's how it's done, fellow consumer advocates and patriots. It's a 2 way street.
I at least know I am on the side of fairness (on the right side) and even standard deciding I can't trust a man's shady network system that has taken the side of intellectual property theft and unfair trade, aka a man in the wrong, supporting wrong practices.
This is not subjective, this is clear cut- right and wrong- and he chose his side and I will not be financing his path.

 

[frigidweirdo]

After today's politicalized comments by
Jack Ma threatening to not bring jobs to the U.S.(who was probably doing so for President Xi when the Chinese President today reconsidered their car tariff, which would have hurt Ma on the other end ),
I decided to remove all Alibaba bookmarks and saved items. I also removed my Alibaba emails and will be writing all the product/company inquiries and bids to tell them why I have to decline their offers, due to not being able to trust the top exec. of Alibaba, thus certainly can't trust the lacking verification and validation of the wholesalers associated with Alibaba.
And that's how it's done, fellow consumer advocates and patriots. It's a 2 way street.
I at least know I am on the side of fairness (on the right side) and even standard deciding I can't trust a man's shady network system that has taken the side of intellectual property theft and unfair trade, aka a man in the wrong, supporting wrong practices.
This is not subjective, this is clear cut- right and wrong- and he chose his side and I will not be financing his path.

Like he's going to care.

 

[Valerie]

good thing i sold all my BABA months ago... after a YUGE profit!

 

[HaShev]

Like he's going to care.

Is this Tom from Myspace?
*LOL*

 

[usmbguest5318]

I'm not of a mind to defend Chinese business practices -- not at the B2B level nor at the macroeconomic level -- however, having successfully completed several projects with Chinese clients, I can say that while those projects yielded slightly lower profit margins than did my European projects, they pretty well matched the profitability on my U.S. projects. Accordingly, while I had to put up with some practices that strike me as somewhat duplicitous, and were thus at times frustrating, the profitability was more than enough to make it worth having provided the services I and my firm were engaged to deliver.

To be sure the profitability on those projects greatly surpassed the profitability on the few U.S. government projects I had the displeasure of having to manage. (All my PRC projects were for private sector clients.) If there were any genre of project I would just as soon not have ever done, it'd have been the ones I did for the U.S. government. The feds are demanding (I have no problem with that; I'm demanding) but they're also cheap, slow moving, the projects are often mired in procedural BS (it's the government's, process but it's still annoying), not particularly receptive to change, and more (not as) interested in "dotting eyes and crossing tees" than in efficiently completing a project so everyone involved can move on to whatever's next. Sure, federal government projects allow me to staff lots of people (anywhere from 15 to 200 FTEs), but then all my projects did that. So, from where I sat, U.S. government engagements were little but a PITA. [1]

That said, and in consideration of the frustrations concomitant with any genre of client, were I given a choice between the U.S. government and a PRC private sector client, I'd choose the latter. Yes, the government is vastly more reliable as go the original terms of the engagement contract, but the realization rates of the PRC client more than made up for the frustrations caused by their penchant for contract/scope re-haggling. [2] Overall, however, I preferred Western European clients.


Note:

1. FWIW, the only reason I ever had to be involved with the few I did was because something was headed off the rails, and I was asked to (or saw the need to) go in and pull things together before they did go off the rails. I was never part of the government services division of the firm, mainly because I never wanted to be. In my industry/firm, principals are paid, in part, to read the writing on the wall. That is to say, to anticipate/identify and resolve potential problems before they become actual problems, not pass them on and/or wait for all hell to break loose and then come in and point fingers while fixing things.
2. Basically, what they'd do is fabricate some sort of thin basis for complaining about the delivery of "this or that" aspect of the engagement and then demand a price concession in return for accepting the alleged non-performance. They'd "bitch and moan," we'd defend our deliverables/delivery and in the end we'd split the difference on the contested portion of our fees. After that happens the first time, one learns to figure it into the original contract fee structure....

 

[HaShev]

One angle people aren't looking at in this situation, is the fact that when you don't have an even playing field and you choose to spoil and favor your own companies instead of letting products quality & own merits set demand, it's like the problem in socialism, there is no motivation to perform well and quality and performance lags and your own country suffers the poor percentage of problem free product produced & or dangerous products being pushed by these high faulty product percentage in production. Which is the problem China has in it's production of products. Whether it's products not close to claimed specs, to mistaken labeling, to high percentage of failed quality control/ returnables, including stuff that overheats and catches fire=liabilities that go along with this closed or self contained trade policy.
Xi made positive comments on opening up trade last night though, and is easing the world tensions on this subject and this will help his country's quality of products with added competition being the (forced) motivation.