J.D. Vance meets the Nazi apologists.

[Missourian]

We seem to be operating on different wavelengths . I have tried to help you understand me.

To help me understand you, please answer the following question...

You’re in a desert walking along in the sand when all of the sudden you look down, and you see a tortoise, it’s crawling toward you. You reach down, you flip the tortoise over on its back. The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can’t, not without your help. But you’re not helping. Why is that?

 

[Robert W]

Sure, it was in the form of quantitative easing coming out of the Meltdown. Trillions of dollars (roughly $11T all told) poured into markets by the Fed from Obama and early into Biden's administrations. Long story short, the Fed really didn't have much choice, but We The People had to watch all those dollars that we didn't have flow through the system.

As I mentioned in the description, we were all waiting for all that stimulus to create massive inflation. The only reason it didn't was because there was still so much slack in the system, i.e., the lower and middle classes didn't have enough free cash flow. The COVID hit, and that was that.

I appreciate the civil conversation.

I copied your entire argument into my office program so I can do you the justice of soaking it all in. We need to establish who sets prices. And I don't see the USA prices in global terms as you do. Energy to us is local. Rent or Mortgage payments and local taxes are local to us. Fuel for our vehicles are paid to local gas stations. The major trigger I currently believe is when Biden went at the oil industry though it is true courts stopped him. But he signaled what to think about prices.

 

[Robert W]

To help me understand you, please answer the following question...

You’re in a desert walking along in the sand when all of the sudden you look down, and you see a tortoise, it’s crawling toward you. You reach down, you flip the tortoise over on its back. The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can’t, not without your help. But you’re not helping. Why is that?

I consider that far and away outside the scope of the Nazis and why their soldiers and guards followed orders.

But your Turtle would not be flipped over by me. I have seen videos of some turtles flipping back over.

 

[Missourian]

I consider that far and away outside the scope of the Nazis and why their soldiers and guards followed orders.

But your Turtle would not be flipped over by me. I have seen videos of some turtles flipping back over.

You are watching a stage play... a banquet is in progress. The guests are enjoying an appetizer of raw oysters. The entree consists of boiled dog.

 

[Ringo]

The Nazis were far left wingers.

No, stupid, the were far right.

 

[Lisa558]

The only Nazis I see are those on the far left chanting “Death to Jews” and the presidents of their liberal universities refusing to condemn it, along with other liberals defending it as “free speech.”

 

[irosie91]

If Germans=Nzis in the 21st century why don't Ukrainians? They were used as concentration camp guards.

germans don't = nazis, nor do Ukrainians. "Right" politically
does not = nazi----- "nazi" thrown around too much. 'Control
Borders' does not = nazi. How about a UNIVERSAL DEFINITION OF "NAZI" ?

The only Nazis I see are those on the far left chanting “Death to Jews” and the presidents of their liberal universities refusing to condemn it, along with other liberals defending it as “free speech.”

we need a "universal" definition of "NAZI"

 

[Lisa558]

germans don't = nazis, nor do Ukrainians. "Right" politically
does not = nazi----- "nazi" thrown around too much. 'Control
Borders' does not = nazi. How about a UNIVERSAL DEFINITION OF "NAZI" ?

we need a "universal" definition of "NAZI"

Unless the discussion is surrounding true Nazis - which were Hitler’s army of murderers, leading Jews into the gas chambers - I think the word should be forbidden.

 

[SeaMajor7]

"Free speech was weaponized to conduct a genocide"
The MSM

 

[Lisa558]

"Free speech was weaponized to conduct a genocide"
The MSM

What does that even mean?!

 

[irosie91]

Unless the discussion is surrounding true Nazis - which were Hitler’s army of murderers, leading Jews into the gas chambers - I think the word should be forbidden.

You are, based on your own REAL experiences, focusing on the
"kill the jew" aspect of al nabi adolf's "political philosophy"
I consider that POV reasonable but a little misleading in that
it is too restricted. Adolf did not invent the "kill the jew"
ethos. In reality it originates with the "political philosophy"
of Constantine, emperor of Rome. Interestingly, Constantine
was such a bastard that savvy christians deny that he was
christian-----to wit, he was a 'christian' like Adolf was a
christian. Both Adolf and Constantine sought to "KILL THE
OPPOSITION". Muhummad adopted the idea IN SPADES.
He generalized it to "kill all who do not worship me" especially
the jews who were the first to reject his claim to divinity

 

[pknopp]

I'm still waiting for the list of bad things they'd do with their power.

Now ask yourself why they want to make excuse for the Nazi's.

Because it pisses off the whiners on the left?

Well yeah, great reason for excusing what the Nazi's did. Sheesh.

 

[pknopp]

As far as election interference claims go, Europe can fuck right off about that.

The UK's Labour party openly campaigned for the Dems this last election cycle here. It would not surprise me if Germans were involved as well.

As for meeting with the AFD, they are basically the only party in Germany that has listened to the substantial support in that country for restricting immigration. A lot of the German public is fed up with migrants, and instead of actually listening to their concerns, the establishment has instead banned AFD while trying to silence anyone about the issue overall.

As I said in another thread, fascists still rule Germany. They just prefer social left policies now.

"It's cool because they are one of us".

 

[pknopp]

Yep.

We know what these people are doing, we know that the congressional GQP is enabling it to keep their cushy gubmit jobs. It's the rubes I wonder about.

Do you think this is delusion, denial? Are they just ignorant of history? And how many of them really are neofasicsts? Or is this a combination of all of it?

Trump said it. He could shoot someone in Central Park and MAGA would defend him.

 

[pknopp]

Define which Nazis you are trying to talk about?
Nazis who took over Germany and engaged in massive job creation lasting until they were defeated in wars? Nazis whom the Germans loved due to dad having a job at last and mom having food to feed the kids?
Or Nazis who engaged in wars and were defeated?

Wow, sheesh. Creepy.

 

[Frankenstein]

I watch a lot oh history shows, calling either side Nazi's is disgusting, although with abortion support one side definitively is closely related

 

[DonGlock26]

You can be free to make your decisions on what it makes those who apologizes for the Nazi's but first Musk and now Vance give them legitimacy by meeting with them.

Insult nearly the entire world but then side up with the far right Nazi apologists. It was said that Trump was fascinated with Mein Kampf and well, the administration is doing nothing but enforce that idea.

MUNICH, Feb 14 (Reuters) - U.S. Vice President JD Vance met on Friday in Munich with the leader of Germany's far-right AfD, his office confirmed, after endorsing the party as a political partner — a stance Berlin dismissed as unwelcome election interference.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...uld-not-interfere-german-politics-2025-02-14/

Who are the apologists?

 

[Couchpotato]

Define which Nazis you are trying to talk about?
Nazis who took over Germany and engaged in massive job creation lasting until they were defeated in wars? Nazis whom the Germans loved due to dad having a job at last and mom having food to feed the kids?
Or Nazis who engaged in wars and were defeated?

Not sure if anyone's pointed this out to you but those were the same Nazi's. The fact that they did some objective good doesn't make up for the fact that they killed millions of people. Im sure Stalin and Mao, did some good you could point to as well.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Well yeah, great reason for excusing what the Nazi's did. Sheesh.

When an AfD member makes an excuse for a Nazi, how many die?

Now, let's talk about all the bad things in the AfD party platform?

What are the worst things they say they will do if elected?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Yeah since he did it in his first 4 years.

Are you talking about when Trump sent the government after his political enemies? Put blacks back in chains?