J.D. Vance meets the Nazi apologists.

[Missourian]

The Nazis operated in what I consider to be two phases. First phase was rebuilding Germany and feeding the public. It went socialist and not conservative. It went the same direction as did our president FDR. FDR used the same pattern. Called it the new deal.

Phase two started later in 1939 when Hitler began his wars. This is only the part current Americans seem to know a little about.

Yeah. Hard to get past that whole gassing six million Jews and burning their bodies in giant ovens after forcing them into slavery, starving them, and performing live human experimentation.

And then to add insult to cold blooded genocide, to offer the feeble and morally cowardly excuse that they were "just following orders".

After that, the rest hardly matters.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Yep.

We know what these people are doing, we know that the congressional GQP is enabling it to keep their cushy gubmit jobs. It's the rubes I wonder about.

Do you think this is delusion, denial? Are they just ignorant of history? And how many of them really are neofasicsts? Or is this a combination of all of it?

Q….BOO!

 

[Robert W]

Yeah. Hard to get past that whole gassing six million Jews and burning their bodies in giant ovens after forcing them into slavery, starving them, and performing live human experimentation.

And then to add insult to cold blooded genocide, to offer the feeble and morally cowardly excuse that they were "just following orders".

After that, the rest hardly matters.

When do you believe the nazis began burning the dead bodies? Would it shock you to learn it was in 1942 during the war?

 

[Robert W]

And then to add insult to cold blooded genocide, to offer the feeble and morally cowardly excuse that they were "just following orders".

You might understand that excuse better if you understood what the Nazis did to German guards and soldiers who refused to follow orders. I will save you looking it up. They executed them publicly.

 

[Missourian]

When do you believe the nazis began burning the dead bodies? Would it shock you to learn it was in 1942 during the war?

Did they import a entirely new cadre of Nazis between 1939 and 1942?

Then that hardly matters, does it.

 

[Robert W]

Okay, sure.

I can listen to you defend Biden if you want to. But I think you told me you hate both parties so if you don't want to defend Biden, I don't blame you at all.

 

[Mac1958]

I can listen to you defend Biden if you want to. But I think you told me you hate both parties so if you don't want to defend Biden, I don't blame you at all.

I don't defend Biden. I don't care about Biden or any other politician. I know what happened and how. I've posted a detailed, step-by-step description of what happened.

You don't know my politics.

 

[Robert W]

Did they import a entirely new cadre of Nazis between 1939 and 1942?

Then that hardly matters, does it.

That is the wrong question.

The term “Final Solution of the Jewish Question” was a euphemism View this term in the glossary used by Nazi Germany’s leaders. It referred to the mass murder of Europe’s Jews. It brought an end to policies aimed at encouraging or forcing Jews to leave the German Reich and other parts of Europe. Those policies were replaced by systematic annihilation.

"Final Solution": Overview

The term Final Solution to the Jewish Question was a euphemism used by Nazi Germany’s leaders. It referred to the mass murder of Europe’s Jews.

encyclopedia.ushmm.org

• It is unclear when exactly Hitler decided to murder Europe’s Jews. The decision was probably made sometime in 1941, with the invasion of the Soviet Union.
• 2
  On January 20, 1942, Reinhard Heydrich, the chief of Germany’s Security Police, held a secret meeting known as the Wannsee Conference. Leading police and civilian officials discussed the continuing implementation of the "Final Solution."
• 3
  The Nazi leaders envisioned killing 11 million Jews as part of the “Final Solution.” They succeeded in murdering 6 million.

 

[Missourian]

You might understand that excuse better if you understood what the Nazis did to German guards and soldiers who refused to follow orders. I will save you looking it up. They executed them publicly.

Just as doing the wrong thing in times of societal sanity has consequences, doing the right thing during times of societal insanity also has consequences.

Is it preferable to live as a monster or die as a good man.

Let's ask Dietrich Bonhoeffer.

 

[Robert W]

I know what happened and how. I've posted a detailed, step-by-step description of what happened.

I would like to locate that and read it.

 

[Mac1958]

I would like to locate that and read it.

From August of last year:

Since I know I'll be wasting my time, I'll just cut and paste from a prior post.

You will not understand it. You will deny it. You will dismiss it. But you asked.

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1. All told, through 2020, about $11 TRILLION in stimulus is pumped into the economy in response to the 2009 Meltdown and resulting weaknesses
2. Parenthetically, personally, I'd trace the origin of the Meltdown to the repeal of Glass Steagall (Clinton)
3. The Fed purposely and aggressively keeps interest rates as low as possible, perhaps overly concerned about a return to the Meltdown
4. We ALL go all those years waiting for all this stimulus to create MASSIVE inflation. EVERYONE knew what was eventually coming
5. COVID hits and the economy falls into complete structural disarray and becomes wildly uneven across the sectors
6. COVID subsides, many industries struggle to re-open and reorganize, having lost employees and having made big systemic changes
7. Flush with cash, macroeconomic demand explodes globally coming out of the COVID lockdowns
8. Supply chains, ill prepared and weakened after the lockdowns, immediately collapse worldwide, across virtually all industry (production/distribution) strata, clogging economic arteries, essentially creating a global economic heart attack
9. As a result, the global supply/demand balance fails, inflation flares, and it rapidly compounds on itself with supply chains still paralyzed
10. The inflation feeds on itself and creates a domino effect across virtually all macroeconomic strata
11. The Fed waits FAR too long (maybe 8 to 10 months) to gradually (or not so gradually) control the inflation with higher rates
12. Far behind the curve, the Fed starts increasing rates quickly and the profound strain on the banking system (particularly regional) begins
13. The resulting broad-based increased interest rates damn near put a boot on the throat of the economy, but the economy continues to grow through the inflation
14. Global supply chains are finally largely repaired and functioning across the board, which was the other primary issue distorting markets
15. Today, inflation has decreased, but there are a few signs of weakness/danger, so the "soft landing" theory is being tested

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It was inevitable. And your agreement with the above is not required.

 

[Robert W]

Just as doing the wrong thing in times of societal sanity has consequences, doing the right thing during times of societal insanity also has consequences.

Is it preferable to live as a monster or die as a good man.

Let's ask Dietrich Bonhoeffer.

When one is practical, and knows fellow Germans got executed for resisting the Nazis, one decides that day to live or to perish. Is it best to be dead?

 

[Missourian]

That is the wrong question.

The term “Final Solution of the Jewish Question” was a euphemism View this term in the glossary used by Nazi Germany’s leaders. It referred to the mass murder of Europe’s Jews. It brought an end to policies aimed at encouraging or forcing Jews to leave the German Reich and other parts of Europe. Those policies were replaced by systematic annihilation.

"Final Solution": Overview

The term Final Solution to the Jewish Question was a euphemism used by Nazi Germany’s leaders. It referred to the mass murder of Europe’s Jews.

encyclopedia.ushmm.org

• It is unclear when exactly Hitler decided to murder Europe’s Jews. The decision was probably made sometime in 1941, with the invasion of the Soviet Union.
• 2
  On January 20, 1942, Reinhard Heydrich, the chief of Germany’s Security Police, held a secret meeting known as the Wannsee Conference. Leading police and civilian officials discussed the continuing implementation of the "Final Solution."
• 3
  The Nazi leaders envisioned killing 11 million Jews as part of the “Final Solution.” They succeeded in murdering 6 million.

Ok. Sorry...I'm not getting your point. Does it make it less evil by date?

 

[Robert W]

From August of last year:

Thank you. I found some what I call errors. But the gist of your argument seems centered on funds sent to citizens as if the Government truly owned the funds. Consider if you will what happens when the Government funds disasters such as hurricanes or floods. It sends vast sums of cash to victims and according to your proposed thinking should cause a hell of an inflation.

Your arguments are well stated and I have enjoyed reading what you wrote.

 

[Robert W]

Ok. Sorry...I'm not getting your point. Does it make it less evil by date?

No and that is not the purpose I am telling when it happened.

 

[Missourian]

When one is practical, and knows fellow Germans got executed for resisting the Nazis, one decides that day to live or to perish. Is it best to be dead?

Morally? Yes. 100%.

If I put a gun to your head and said "strangle this child to death or I'll kill you"...do you pragmatically strangle the child? Or do you morally take the bullet?

I take the bullet.

 

[Missourian]

No and that is not the purpose I am telling when it happened.

That is a distinction without a difference from my perspective.

The when is not nearly as important as the fact that it happened.

 

[Robert W]

That is a distinction without a difference from my perspective.

The when is not nearly as important as the fact that it happened.

We seem to be operating on different wavelengths . I have tried to help you understand me.

 

[Robert W]

Morally? Yes. 100%.

If I put a gun to your head and said "strangle this child to death or I'll kill you"...do you pragmatically strangle the child? Or do you morally take the bullet?

I take the bullet.

That is your decision.

 

[Mac1958]

Thank you. I found some what I call errors. But the gist of your argument seems centered on funds sent to citizens as if the Government truly owned the funds. Consider if you will what happens when the Government funds disasters such as hurricanes or floods. It sends vast sums of cash to victims and according to your proposed thinking should cause a hell of an inflation.

Your arguments are well stated and I have enjoyed reading what you wrote.

Sure, it was in the form of quantitative easing coming out of the Meltdown. Trillions of dollars (roughly $11T all told) poured into markets by the Fed from Obama and early into Biden's administrations. Long story short, the Fed really didn't have much choice, but We The People had to watch all those dollars that we didn't have flow through the system.

As I mentioned in the description, we were all waiting for all that stimulus to create massive inflation. The only reason it didn't was because there was still so much slack in the system, i.e., the lower and middle classes didn't have enough free cash flow. The COVID hit, and that was that.

I appreciate the civil conversation.