I've decided to buy an electric car to do my part

[MarathonMike]

Air and water pollution is a local problem that can be controlled.

Not if the source of the air and water pollution is China and India. And they happen to be producing the vast majority of the world''s pollution.

 

[Flash]

One of the most frequent concerns you will see from electric vehicle haters is that the electricity grid can’t possibly cope with all cars becoming EVs. However, they haven’t done the math properly. The grids in most developed nations will be just fine, so long as the demand is properly management. The biggest mistake the social media keyboard warriors make is the very strange assumption that all cars could be charging at once. The math is in link below.

Electricity Grids Can Handle Electric Vehicles Easily â They Just Need Proper Management

One of the most frequent concerns you will see from electric vehicle haters is that the electricity grid can’t possibly cope with all cars becoming EVs. However, they haven’t done the math properly. The grids in most developed nations will be just fine. Here’s how.

www.forbes.com

In reality you are taking all of the energy generated by gas and diesel and transferring it to the existing electrical grid. An electrical grid that is already stressed in many areas.

That is one hellva burden.

You article is wrong. We can't do it.

Like I have posted before. To just take care of the charging of 1.9% of the vehicles in California that are EVs there needs to be a 19 Gigawatt energy source. The same amount of energy put out by the dual nuclear reactors at Diablo Canyon.

 

[elektra]

Much of what you're saying is not true. EVs do use larger tires but they far more efficient that gasoline power vehicles. Multiple studies have found they are not a fire hazard and safer than gas models. There have been 25 fires per 1000,00 Evs and 1550 fires per 100,000 gasoline vehicles. And your claims about EVs and environment are justice nonsense.

Nonsense?

Gee, with almost 300,000,000 cars in the USA that means there are millions of car fires every year. That means almost all of us have had a car fire, know somebody who's car caught fire, and we all see car fires every week.

Pure bullshit

 

[westwall]

Sea level is rising.
Ocean temperature is rising.
Air temperatures are rising.

Nope, nope, annnnnnd, nope. No observations support those claims at all.

 

[elektra]

EVs do use larger tires but they far more efficient that gasoline power vehicles.

Only if you ignore the fact that they must be charged for hours a day vs a gas car that gets fueled once a week.

Only if you ignore you are using a much heavier car, which means it uses more natural resources to build.

Only if you ignore that charging a battery for an electric car uses more energy.

Only if you ignore that the extra weight is going to cause more damage to the roads.

Only if you ignore the limited range

Only if you ignore the elements used are finite

Electric cars are a wasteful inefficient luxury.

 

[Flopper]

In reality you are taking all of the energy generated by gas and diesel and transferring it to the existing electrical grid. An electrical grid that is already stressed in many areas.

That is one hellva burden.

You article is wrong. We can't do it.

Like I have posted before. To just take care of the charging of 1.9% of the vehicles in California that are EVs there needs to be a 19 Gigawatt energy source. The same amount of energy put out by the dual nuclear reactors at Diablo Canyon.

In California there are 14.2 million cars on the road and 1.2 million of them are EVs. That's 8.5% of vehicles and they are being handled just fine on the California's electric grid.

Most calculation like this are based on ridiculous assumptions such as using the maximum charging current which occurs in the first few seconds of charging and then assuming every EV will charge their vehicles at exactly the same time.

U.S.: total number of cars by state | Statista

Which state has the most cars? California, Florida, and Texas topped the cars by state ranking as the only states with over seven million car registrations.

www.statista.com

Can California's grid handle more EVs?

Millions of new electric vehicles are expected to hit the road in California in the next decade.

www.kpbs.org

 

[westwall]

In California there are 14.2 million cars on the road and 1.2 million of them are EVs. That's 8.5% of vehicles and they are being handled just fine on the California's electric grid.

Most calculation like this are based on ridiculous assumptions such as using the maximum charging current which occurs in the first few seconds of charging and then assuming every EV will charge their vehicles at exactly the same time.

U.S.: total number of cars by state | Statista

Which state has the most cars? California, Florida, and Texas topped the cars by state ranking as the only states with over seven million car registrations.

www.statista.com

Can California's grid handle more EVs?

Millions of new electric vehicles are expected to hit the road in California in the next decade.

www.kpbs.org

Wrong, there are 17,765,000 cars registered in California. 12,741,900 trucks. 987,817 medium and heavy duty trucks, and 837,717 motorcycles.

Against 563,070 EV's registered in California as of Dec 31st 2021. The Ev number is from ELECTREK, while the ICE numbers are California DMV.

 

[Flopper]

Wrong, there are 17,765,000 cars registered in California. 12,741,900 trucks. 987,817 medium and heavy duty trucks, and 837,717 motorcycles.

Against 563,070 EV's registered in California as of Dec 31st 2021. The Ev number is from ELECTREK, while the ICE numbers are California DMV.

Even if we use your data of .5 million EVs and 30 million autos and trucks how do come up 19 Gigawatts.

 

[westwall]

Even if we use your data of .5 million EVs and 30 million autos and trucks how do come up 19 Gigawatts.

You were saying?

 

[DudleySmith]

lol data also shows EV owners also have other cars, gas powered ones, they use for long trips and if they're in a hurry. It's a rich people's toy, is all, and none of them rely on EV's exclusively. It's a fashion fad to have an $100K EV parked next to the 16 cylinder Lamborghini and the Lincoln SUV.,

 

[Flopper]

Nonsense?

Gee, with almost 300,000,000 cars in the USA that means there are millions of car fires every year. That means almost all of us have had a car fire, know somebody who's car caught fire, and we all see car fires every week.

Pure bullshit

I'm not sure how calculated the number but it's in the link.

Gas vs. Electric Car Fires [2024 Findings] | AutoinsuranceEZ.com

Auto fires result in hundreds of fatalities every year and millions of car recalls. Click here to see hybrid, gas, and electric car fire statistics.

www.autoinsuranceez.com

Another study of Government recall data show gasoline vehicles are up to 100x more prone to fires than EVs.

Government data show gasoline vehicles are up to 100x more prone to fires than EVs

Aside from the argument that gasoline vehicles operate via combustion, a study shows how prevalent gas vehicle fires are compared to EVs.

electrek.co

 

[westwall]

I'm not sure how calculated the number but it's in the link.

Gas vs. Electric Car Fires [2024 Findings] | AutoinsuranceEZ.com

Auto fires result in hundreds of fatalities every year and millions of car recalls. Click here to see hybrid, gas, and electric car fire statistics.

www.autoinsuranceez.com

"Tesla claims" nothing to back up their claim.. They just say ICE cars are more likely to catch fire.

 

[Flopper]

lol data also shows EV owners also have other cars, gas powered ones, they use for long trips and if they're in a hurry. It's a rich people's toy, is all, and none of them rely on EV's exclusively. It's a fashion fad to have an $100K EV parked next to the 16 cylinder Lamborghini and the Lincoln SUV.,

The average cost of a new car in 2022 is about $50,000
The average cost of an EV in 2022 is about $65,000.
However with the new tax credit of $7500 on EVs below $56,000, we are now seeing more lower cost models. The Nissan Leaf has an MSRP of $28500 but with the tax credit it will be about $21,000 which makes it the cheapest hatchback compact.

 

[Woodznutz]

Renewables do not work at night, wind dies down to almost nothing, most nights. Electric cars are inefficient. They are charged with anything but renewable "electricity".

Further, being much heavier, they require heavier, stronger tires, which use more oil. Further the tires get replaced more often, again requiring more fossil fuels.

The batteries are a fire hazard, as the recent deaths in New York city demonstrate.

Get rid of the battery, and I will love electric cars, give them an electric rail. Get rid of the battery, problem solved.

But the idea that you are saving the planet, the climate, saving energy, using less fossil fuels is nothing more than a big fat lie.

EV's are very efficient. And, there's no compelling reason to charge them with green energy. Sign up for off-peak (time-of-use) electric rates and charge it up overnight. This would actually save a lot of fossil fuel. My off-peak rate is $.056/KwH.

 

[Woodznutz]

Nope, nope, annnnnnd, nope. No observations support those claims at all.

You cannot be serious.

 

[Flopper]

Only if you ignore the fact that they must be charged for hours a day vs a gas car that gets fueled once a week.

Only if you ignore you are using a much heavier car, which means it uses more natural resources to build.

Only if you ignore that charging a battery for an electric car uses more energy.

Only if you ignore that the extra weight is going to cause more damage to the roads.

Only if you ignore the limited range

Only if you ignore the elements used are finite

Electric cars are a wasteful inefficient luxury.

Only if you ignore the fact that they must be charged for hours a day vs a gas car that gets fueled once a week.
They do not need to be charged daily unless you drive the range of the vehicle everyday which for new vehicle is 150 miles for compacts, 200-250 miles for intermediates, Over 300 miles for the luxury cars.
Since the average driver only drives 35 miles a day, he would only need to charge about every 5, 7, or 10 days. Batteries in new EVs hold their charge well so there is no need to charge everyday, however many people do it just in case they need it.

Only if you ignore you are using a much heavier car, which means it uses more natural resources to build.
That may be true. I don't know.

Only if you ignore that the extra weight is going to cause more damage to the roads.
That is generally true but it depends on the car and how much owners drive the cars. Today's EV owners tend to drive less than ICE cars and that will be case for many years.

Only if you ignore that charging a battery for an electric car uses more energy.
More energy than what? The average EV gets an mpg equivalent of about 120mpg equivalent. MPG Equivalent is a means to compare the amount of energy consumed by vehicles using alternative fuels to those of gas-powered engines.

Only if you ignore the limited range
Yes that is a drawback. However, for most drivers having a range of 150, 200 250, or 300 miles should not be a big problem considering most drivers drive only 35 miles a day. And with increase in number of charging stations at motels, hotel, shopping centers, and government buildings, it will only be a minor inconvenience for drivers taken longer trips. Although if I drove cross country on a regular basis, I would not get an EV at this time.

Only if you ignore the elements used are finite
Lithium is the 33rd most abundant element on earth and recycling will recover almost all the major elements used in EV batteries.

Electric cars are a wasteful inefficient luxury.
Not so. Buying a car that reduces green house gases is not a luxury. In fact, a lot of people think of it as a necessity. Although the average price of EVs is high, $65,000, most EVs on the market have an MSRP under $50,000. The lowest price EV is $21,000 with the tax credit.

 

[DudleySmith]

The average cost of a new car in 2022 is about $50,000
The average cost of an EV in 2022 is about $65,000.
However with the new tax credit of $7500 on EVs below $56,000, we are now seeing more lower cost models. The Nissan Leaf has an MSRP of $28500 but with the tax credit it will be about $21,000 which makes it the cheapest hatchback compact.

The 'average cost' of cars bought by working people isn't '$50,000'. They don't buy 'new cars' except the cheapest models. Of course you wouldn't want to post real stats on car sales.

 

[Flopper]

"Tesla claims" nothing to back up their claim.. They just say ICE cars are more likely to catch fire.

That is what NTSB data shows, at least so far.

 

[DudleySmith]

Used cars are at a premium, due to lack of affordabilty for most people, which is ironically driving up prices of used cars now. The average price of a used car is around $26,000, and used cars are over two thirds of the market most months.

U.S. new and used car sales | Statista

Sales of used light vehicles in the United States came to around 43.1 million units in 2021.

www.statista.com

The cheap EV's cost over twice as much as the average person can afford to pay. And, less than 12% of EV's qualify for tax credits today.

 

[elektra]

I'm not sure how calculated the number but it's in the link.

Gas vs. Electric Car Fires [2024 Findings] | AutoinsuranceEZ.com

Auto fires result in hundreds of fatalities every year and millions of car recalls. Click here to see hybrid, gas, and electric car fire statistics.

www.autoinsuranceez.com

Another study of Government recall data show gasoline vehicles are up to 100x more prone to fires than EVs.

Government data show gasoline vehicles are up to 100x more prone to fires than EVs

Aside from the argument that gasoline vehicles operate via combustion, a study shows how prevalent gas vehicle fires are compared to EVs.

electrek.co

More propaganda from the google. I can match your google search showing the government does not collect the data and that all you have is random websites making a claim.

Millions of cars burning up each year. Most of us thus will see a fire today