It’s time to put Antifa on the terror list…

[M14 Shooter]

Capital Hill Autonomous Zone = CHAZ
Sounds like sedition, insurrection, and secession to me, and many others.

Sounds like a good opportunity to try out the water cannons, mounted LEOs, and the dogs.

 

[tahuyaman]

The problem is that as an organization, ANTIFA does not exist. There’s no defined leadership group or chain of command.

Any group of people with some kind of grievance can call themselves part of ANTIFA.

 

[Stryder50]

Sounds like a good opportunity to try out the water cannons, mounted LEOs, and the dogs.

It would have been.
CHAZ was part of the "peaceful protests" during the Summer of 2020.
Seattle had a far Left 'leaning' mayor, and our state had a far Left leaning governor and attorney general*. About the time they decided maybe they should do something to clean out the "insurrectionist state" the Antifa 'street party' had fizzled out and it was time to get back to school (many Antifa are "academics"/teachers)/college.

Portland would have been an even better place for that but they have the same Leftist traitors in government leadership

* Washington's AG then is now our Governor. He oversaw the 2022 Domestic Terrorism Study, which presented it's report;

https://agportal-s3bucket.s3.amazonaws.com/2022%20Domestic%20Terrorism%20Study.pdf

A look at the composition of the panel shows a Left leaning bias and little to no mention of threat from Leftist extremist organizations like Antifa and BLM.
Excerpt:
In the development of the report submitted to the legislature on domestic terrorism, the AGO
contracted with Rich Stolz to conduct targeted outreach to identified stakeholders, primarily
representatives from organizations with expertise in or experience with issues relevant to the report.
Stolz is the former Executive Director of OneAmerica, a statewide, community-based immigrant rights
organization, and he has extensive experience in civil rights, community outreach, and policy issues.

Stolz conducted two rounds of outreach. The purpose of the first round of outreach was to scope
out community priorities and concerns about the issues raised in a report on domestic terrorism.
The second round of outreach involved an initial review of a set of preliminary recommendations
prepared by the report authors. Outreach primarily involved one-on-one meetings and interviews,
and in some cases Stolz gathered feedback electronically. Stolz then compiled information gathered
from this outreach and prepared memos for the report authors and staff from the AGO.

Organizations participating in these rounds of outreach included the American Civil Liberties Union
(ACLU) of Washington, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) Western Region, Asian Counseling and
Referral Service (ACRS), Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) Washington, Gairson Law
LLC, OneAmerica, Muslim Association of Puget Sound (MAPS) American Muslim Empowerment
Network (AMEN), Partners for Change, Unidos of Snohomish County, City of Seattle Office of
Immigrant and Refugee Affairs (OIRA), Planned Parenthood Alliance Advocates, and representatives from the Snoqualmie Tribe.
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Domestic Extremism and Mass Violence Task Force | Washington ...​

How a Washington state plan to fight domestic extremism could ...​

Washington state's new Domestic Violent Extremism Task Force targets cops, conservatives​

BTW - Washington State is leading the way towards total ban on firearms in (legal) citizen hands. Might post the links for that later.

 

[Foxfyre]

This may have been presented already, but it's late and I haven't time to go through about 140 posts here, so jumping in with some thoughts and links.

Antifa is intentionally "no central organization/charter" to reduce the sort of documentation that could be used in court. However they are very organized with a formula for indoctrination/training, and organizing turnout to "protests".

It's a thorough read but not a large book and highly recommend;

Unmasked: Inside Antifa's Radical Plan to Destroy Democracy​

– February 2, 2021​

by Andy Ngo (Author)
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In this #1 national bestseller, a journalist who's been attacked by Antifa writes a deeply researched and reported account of the group's history and tactics.

When Andy Ngo was attacked in the streets by Antifa in the summer of 2019, most people assumed it was an isolated incident. But those who'd been following Ngo's reporting in outlets like the New York Post and Quillette knew that the attack was only the latest in a long line of crimes perpetrated by Antifa.

In Unmasked, Andy Ngo tells the story of this violent extremist movement from the very beginning. He includes interviews with former followers of the group, people who've been attacked by them, and incorporates stories from his own life. This book contains a trove of documents obtained by the author, published for the first time ever.
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Unmasked: Inside Antifa's Radical Plan to Destroy Democracy: Ngo, Andy: 9781546059585: Amazon.com: Books

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www.amazon.com

This link is to a @35 page preview of the book showing -table of contents -Introduction - Chapter one ---

Unmasked

In this #1 national bestseller, a journalist who's been attacked by Antifa writes a deeply researched and reported account of the group's history and tactics. When Andy Ngo was attacked in the streets by Antifa in the summer of 2019, most people assumed it was an isolated incident. But those...

www.google.com

One group Andy focused on was in Portland, Oregon and supposedly the oldest 'chapter' of Antifa in the USA*.
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Rose City Antifa (RCA) was founded in Portland, Oregon in October of 2007. RCA was formed after a coalition of local people and organizations formed the 'Ad-Hoc Coalition Against Racism and Fascism' in order to shut down a neo-Nazi skinhead festival called Hammerfest. RCA continues the work of that Ad-Hoc Coalition and countless others who have worked to oppose racial prejudice, bigotry and fascism in our communities in Portland, Oregon, and the Pacific Northwest more broadly.

Rose City Antifa opposes fascist organizing through direct action, education, and through solidarity with leftist spaces, activists, and organizations.

Direct Action is any work that prevents fascist organizing, and when that is not possible, provides consequences to fascist organizers. This is supported by researching and tracking fascist organizations.

Education helps us give our communities the information they need to recognize and oppose fascism. Fascists often hide their ideas and try to co-opt other movements, like environmentalism, anti-captialism, and anti-globalism. Sometimes they may even claim to be feminists. It is important that our community is able to see and understand what fascism is, what gives it power, and how to stop it.

Solidarity helps us model the kind of world we want to live in: a classless society, free from all forms of oppression. We ally ourselves with other groups that have similar values, and support them in their organizing. Through this solidarity, we hope to create radical spaces that can not only grow these movements, but also act as a viable alternative to those that seek community and may be preyed on by fasicsts who provide false solutions to problems of class and alienation in our society.
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Rose City Antifa

Homepage of Rose City Antifa.

www.rosecityantifa.org

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Rose City Antifa (RCA) is an antifascist group founded in 2007 in Portland, Oregon. A leftist group, it is the oldest known active antifa group in the United States. While anti-fascist activism in the United States dates back to the 1980s, Rose City Antifa is the first to adopt the abbreviated moniker antifa. Since 2016, Rose City Antifa has been one of the nine chapters of the Torch Network coalition.

Rose City Antifa - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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Antifa is not "NEW" however. It may be so in the USA, but it goes back nearly a century to Germany;
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Antifa (German pronunciation: [ˈantifa] is a political movement in Germany composed of multiple far-left, autonomous, militant groups and individuals who describe themselves as anti-fascist. According to the German Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution and the Federal Agency for Civic Education, the use of the epithet fascist against opponents and the view of capitalism as a form of fascism are central to the movement. The antifa movement has existed in different eras and incarnations, dating back to Antifaschistische Aktion, from which the moniker antifa came. It was set up by the then-Stalinist Communist Party of Germany (KPD) during the late history of the Weimar Republic. ...

[this link is to an 18 page/image slideshow of the earlier, German as well as recent German Antifa;
Antifa (Germany) - Wikipedia ]

Antifa (Germany) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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May be more later, but this should serve a good starter.

Excellent info.

Again I am not into apologetics or excuses or defense of ANTIFA in any way or form. It is an evil, dangerous group and those defending it are reprehensible people. But for now it is a bunch of different groups in different places. Even Andy Ngo was unable to definitively identify any central organization organizing or funding the groups.

Common sense tells us there is such a central control. The similarity of rhetoric, dress, methods/tactics, weaponry etc. can't be ignored. Again it think it is deep state operatives doing the recruiting, organizing, directing, funding the groups, but so far nobody has apparently identified who that is.

And that is why it is difficult to officially declare the whole movement to be a terrorist organization despite your marking my posts expressing that opinion as 'fake news' or 'funny.'

 

[Mac-7]

Excellent info.

Again I am not into apologetics or excuses or defense of ANTIFA in any way or form. It is an evil, dangerous group and those defending it are reprehensible people. But for now it is a bunch of different groups in different places. Even Andy Ngo was unable to definitively identify any central organization organizing or funding the groups.

Common sense tells us there is such a central control. The similarity of rhetoric, dress, methods/tactics, weaponry etc. can't be ignored. Again it think it is deep state operatives doing the recruiting, organizing, directing, funding the groups, but so far nobody has apparently identified who that is.

And that is why it is difficult to officially declare the whole movement to be a terrorist organization.

Whoever funds ANTIFA has control over them

 

[Donald H]

See?

See how the dimmer bulbs fail to keep their thought process hidden, in the early stages of the regime assuming unchallenged power.

It's too soon. It needs to be nurtured for about another year. Democracy is still too fresh in American minds.

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The notifications make my job easy, you silly kids.

It's the replies from adults that take a minute or two of my time!

 

[Mac-7]

Excellent info.

Again I am not into apologetics or excuses or defense of ANTIFA in any way or form. It is an evil, dangerous group and those defending it are reprehensible people. But for now it is a bunch of different groups in different places. Even Andy Ngo was unable to definitively identify any central organization organizing or funding the groups.

Common sense tells us there is such a central control. The similarity of rhetoric, dress, methods/tactics, weaponry etc. can't be ignored. Again it think it is deep state operatives doing the recruiting, organizing, directing, funding the groups, but so far nobody has apparently identified who that is.

And that is why it is difficult to officially declare the whole movement to be a terrorist organization.

And that is why it is difficult to officially declare the whole movement to be a terrorist organization.

Its really quite simple,

Like the man said, When it walks like a duck…

 

[Foxfyre]

Whoever funds ANTIFA has control over them

Of course they do. But who is/are the deep state structure that organizes, equips, funds them? You can be pretty darn sure they aren't doing that themselves since all the groups all over the country are so similar. I would be a dime against a donut that Kash Patel and Dan Bongino are looking into that. With any luck, since they are MAGA and actually care about America and Americans, they have the best chance to identify who is behind ANTIFA.

 

[Mac-7]

Of course they do. But who is/are the deep state structure that organizes, equips, funds them? You can be pretty darn sure they aren't doing that themselves since all the groups all over the country are so similar. I would be a dime against a donut that Kash Patel and Dan Bongino are looking into that. With any luck, since they are MAGA and actually care about America and Americans, they have the best chance to identify who is behind ANTIFA.

ANTIFA’s bosses may speak Farsi, chinese, russian, or a combination of all three

Plus a working knowledge of George Soros’s native Hungarian

 

[Donald H]

Democrats encourage violence against ICE like ICE is never going to shoot back.

That's the thing evilcat!

The force that represents the agenda of the regime, turns to murdering innocent civilians.

That's still not possible for a fascist regime in its infancy.

Only something reminiscent of a Kristalnacht is possible at this point.

 

[Foxfyre]

And that is why it is difficult to officially declare the whole movement to be a terrorist organization.

Its really quite simple,

Like the man said, When it walks like a duck…

But what do they do? There are no member lists that I think anybody knows of. You can arrest those who are caught in the act of illegal/terrorist activities, prosecute and imprison them, and our current DOJ does that and supports law enforcement that does that, but what about those that aren't caught specifically doing illegal acts?

Our country was founded on a principle of individual liberty, right to opinions, speech, beliefs even when those are reprehensible or unpopular. We don't arrest people for nothing more than accusations of association. That would indeed be fascist. How do you declare an organization fascist when there is no organization? No central website? No member lists? No central leadership that can be identified?

That has been my argument. But I whole heartedly support any journalist or law enforcement or our government looking for and identifying those who are directing, funding, equipping etc. these groups hat are now reported to be unaffiliated with each other. When they do, then we have a terrorist organization.

 

[Foxfyre]

ANTIFA’s bosses may speak Farsi, chinese, russian, or a combination of all three

Plus a working knowledge of George Soros’s native Hungarian

You know they're out there. I know they're out there. But so far they have remained anonymous and undetectable. I hope and pray that some smart investigators will identify and expose them. And they should go to prison for the rest of their lives for what they have done and are doing.

 

[Donald H]

That's the thing evilcat!

The force that represents the agenda of the regime, turns to murdering innocent civilians.

That's still not possible for a fascist regime in its infancy.

Only something reminiscent of a Kristalnacht is possible at this point.

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Thank you!

It was brought to my notice that anti-jew sentiments are festering in silence in America at this point in time. The Magas are sensing that the Zionist regime is getting in the way of Trump's progress and his attempts to get himself noticed as a peacemaker. It's always had an appreciable presence in America's extreme right.

Those sentiments are threatening to let loose in America at any time. That is dangerous in that it risks exposing the real agenda of his fascist regime.

 

[Stryder50]

Excellent info.

Again I am not into apologetics or excuses or defense of ANTIFA in any way or form. It is an evil, dangerous group and those defending it are reprehensible people. But for now it is a bunch of different groups in different places. Even Andy Ngo was unable to definitively identify any central organization organizing or funding the groups.

Common sense tells us there is such a central control. The similarity of rhetoric, dress, methods/tactics, weaponry etc. can't be ignored. Again it think it is deep state operatives doing the recruiting, organizing, directing, funding the groups, but so far nobody has apparently identified who that is.

And that is why it is difficult to officially declare the whole movement to be a terrorist organization despite your marking my posts expressing that opinion as 'fake news' or 'funny.'

This board only offers two 'markings' for negative feed back (compared with 5-6 for positive) and both often aren't quite accurate or useful. But the only choices available. In your case there was some of content in your posts I disagreed with or found inaccurate ("Fake News" is only mark that approaches this use).

Andy Ngo is a journalist and does have the resources responsible government agencies do, yet fail to apply (?). He did provide examples in his book of publications and training materials used by Antifa in a couple cities and likely similar across the board, across the country.

The fact that Antifa has foreign roots and history going back to 1920s, along with close communist connections provides hints of the organization and funding. However they/these 'people' intentionally seek to cover their tracks and prevent/block meaningful investigation. It likely will take time to dig that out, but "usual suspects" likely apply here.

As I've shown in the above posts and links, seems some governments/parts of have no problem declaring similar "lose" organizations on the political Right, and "whole movement"s on the Right as such. So yes implications are some degree of "Deep State" involvement in Antifa and BLM. Hence the suggestion that RICO would apply here.

 

[Concerned American]

The force that represents the agenda of the regime, turns to murdering innocent civilians.

Innocent? You're tin hat is slipping duck, please keep up.

 

[Concerned American]

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It was brought to my notice that anti-jew sentiments are festering in silence in America at this point in time. The Magas are sensing that the

Is this racist Canada speaking, duck?

 

[The Duke]

Homan's going to Portland today.

 

[Donald H]

We don't arrest people for nothing more than accusations of association. That would indeed be fascist.

A fascist regime needs to move ahead cautiously. There are democracy's flies in the ointment that can act out with lethal force at any moment.

Currently there are just idle political threats against Comey and Brennon that are only meant to test the waters.

There's still no real threat against their lives, but the flag has been raised to tke notice of the possibilities to come.

 

[Stryder50]

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The notifications make my job easy, you silly kids.

It's the replies from adults that take a minute or two of my time!

Your replies as show in posts #13 and 17 on this thread, done by you, show you are a supporter and possible "member" of Antifa.
Part of the tools from Alinsky used by Leftist Extremist Terrorists, such as Antifa, are to embed their mebers in public forums to spread disinformation and chaos.

We have a clear clue what your "job" is Komrade.

 

[Stryder50]

Of course they do. But who is/are the deep state structure that organizes, equips, funds them? You can be pretty darn sure they aren't doing that themselves since all the groups all over the country are so similar. I would be a dime against a donut that Kash Patel and Dan Bongino are looking into that. With any luck, since they are MAGA and actually care about America and Americans, they have the best chance to identify who is behind ANTIFA.

Unless the "grunts" under their direction are sympathizers and/or "members" of Antifa and similar. Then the investigations would flounder and run down dead end rabbit holes.